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1. Greg V. Says:
   June 9th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

   I can’t be too upset about this one. I mean both teams played hard and the Phils unfortunately didn’t win. It was an exciting game with plenty of great moments for the Phils and not one to be terribly upset about.

2. The Little Guy Says:
   June 9th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

   Geoff, still want to trade Rollins? He stinks right?

3. 4daysrest.com Says:
   June 9th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

   See, as a fan, I know you should say to yourself that they had the clear advantage tonight and were likely to lose. To hit four homers off of Santana, come all the way back after being dead in the water, and then lose because Clay Condrey and Chad Durbin couldn’t get the job done is frustrating. That’s the type of game that sticks in my crawl.

4. 4daysrest.com Says:
   June 9th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

   I’ve been all over Rollins this season, and truthfully, rightfully so. I thought he played his best game of the season tonight, though. It was inspired baseball.

   Condrey’s 0-2 to Santana is absolutely inexcusable, and can Durbin get through one game without hanging a slider over the middle of the plate? Maybe just once?

5. Maverick Says:
   June 9th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

   On the surface….Im thinkign this is more of a Mental loss than an actual loss.. or actually a mental win for the Mets..

   BUT… then i think about it.. and the muts barely beat us with their ACE Johan vs our #4 JA Happ…. and we BANGED 4 homers off MR JOHAN…

   despite the L i think we had some small wins… although.,..i think they did too

6. Chutley Says:
   June 9th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

   Im upset. Wehn you lose a game because a pticher beats hits a double you better be upset. I was at the game and watching Santana get at god damn double pissed me off.

7. kyle Says:
   June 9th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

   Not to be upset about? The phils are 10-2 against the nats and 1 above 500 against everyone else. They need to beat good teams, you know, like the mets. Seen their record against them lately? That’s a triple a lineup we lost to sans Wright and beltran. Losing on an rbi double by the 050 hitting pitcher? Pathetic. Not using eyre to face cora, who drove in the game-winner? Asinie. If cole loses tomorrow, we go home tied. Ouch

8. 4daysrest.com Says:
   June 9th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

   Chutley- I’m on board with you.

   Anyone at all concerned with this bullpen right now from the right side?

9. 4daysrest.com Says:
   June 9th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

   Kyle, we actually go home up one. I thought the same thing at first.

   We are 1-5 against the Mets this season, and T-Mac/Wheels talk about how they are scared of us. K-Rod didn’t look too scared in the ninth, did he?

10. RiVLez Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    lol Kyle that stat is unbelievable. The Phillies need to change that. The Phillies can’t look for the Mets to let them win the division again for the 3rd year in a row. I think they will have to earn it.

11. Pat Gallen, Phils Examiner Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    I’m not so concerned about the ‘pen. The Mets were fired up and in the end just wanted this game more. Durbin and Condrey are serviceable, not every pitcher is going to be lights out all the time. They made mistakes, and paid, but to be honest I can live with this loss. I love how fired up the Mets were in June…that means they still fear the Phils.

12. Iceman Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Sure it was Santana you “banged four homers off” and you’re looking for a moral victory. I guess that helps you ignore the fact that Alex Cora had the GWRBI and started in a lineup with Fernando Tatis, Gary Sheffield and Omir Santos that beat your Fillies.

13. Iceman Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    Ummm, yeah. Take a peek at Francisco Rodriguez recording a 3-run save against the Gnats, he was fired up, it must mean the Mets fear the Gnats. Psych 101 has failed you, Pat, I love it.

14. Eli Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Why wouldn’t the Mets still fear the Phillies. They did win the N.L. East last year. But the fire was because how injury depleated they are and realizing that every win they can get over the next month is huge. they are playing stud teams and need to play hard.

15. 4daysrest.com Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    The Mets are down. And if your theory was true that they were all fired up, then we should be able to come back the next 2 days and beat them down if we are truly superior. Show them what’s up a little, leave town with a 4 game lead, and I’ll be happy.

16. stephanie Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    i do think we beat good teams though, we should have swept the yankees and the dodgers we just ran into some bad luck. its not like those teams beat up on the phillies all the time, i do agree thought we really need to start playing better against the mets

17. Davek Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    Hey there fellow Phillies phans,
    It’s hard for me to identify tonight’s game as a “tough loss”. We ALMOST beat the Muts with their ace pitcher. And if this year is a sign of the Mets choking as they did the past two years (come on, getting swept by the Pirates!?), then we have little to worry about. We didn’t beat them overall head to head but we still ended up on top, both years, and it will happen again. There’s a good reason that they fear us. Most MLB teams fear us. There isn’t a single hitter in our lineup that can’t knock the ball out of the part in the blink of an eye. Keep your hopes up, tomorrow we hammer them where it hurts.

18. Mickey Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    I’m not upset by this loss at all. Remember, we cant expect to win them all. Some people need to relax. Against Johan I didnt think they even had a remote chance to win, so Im presently surprised by how the Phils played. They basically rocked Johan and thats gonna give them a lot of confidence for the future.

    We may have received the “L” for this game, but there were several wins throughout.

19. Miles Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    My main concern is the trickle down effect we saw with Lidge not available. It’s nice to still have Madson to pitch the 9th, but we gotta get there. The bridge now has more holes in it.

    Really we are probably talking about a Phils win if Santana can get a bunt down. But as some have said, the pitch by Condrey 0-2 was ridiculously bad. If you have a pitcher down in count 0-2 and he is trying to bunt you either throw a fastball way up in the zone or something off the plate. Dumb dumb dumb.

    Well just like he stepped up last start, Cole is going to have to play the part of the ace and get us a win tomorrow.

20. AmazinCiti Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    I’m wondering what the Philly fan thinks of this. SNY showed Victorino staring and muttering out to K-rod after the game, clearly upset by his “antics” after picking up a HUGE save. Was he also muttering under his breath as a barely over the Mendoza line Jimmy Rollins put his finger to his lips as if to hush the Citi faithful after hitting his home run. It’s the same old stuff as last year. Phillies players “annoyed” at Mets “antics,” when in reality there isn’t a bigger hot dogging team in baseball than the Philadelphia Phillies. Huge win for the Mets, the difference this year, our bullpen is LEGIT without it’s second best pitcher pitching (Putz), and your bullpen has come back down to earth!

21. Keith Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    eww another Mets troll on a Phillies site

22. Grrrumpy Miner Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:12 am

    Davek….ANY team can win on any given day.Did the Pirates beat up on the Mets last Mon,Tues& Thu?Yes and its all good by me.I don’t like it but anyway,You turn the page and move on.We took 5 out of 6 games from the Nats,you move on.Just like you split with the Dodgers and sweep the Padres,it happens you move on.I’m now concentrating on the up and coming 2 games vs the Phillies Cole vs Pelfrey.Are the NY Mets going to make Cole “Choke” on his words (I didn’t mean to tag that in this convo) we don’t know but we shall soon find out.BTW great game tonite,the Turning point was the DP Top 8th.Phils lost as the Mets won;its 1 game out of 162 you move on.Oh and BTW the Japanese DID bomb Pearle Harbor and we all know it and Amazins fans DO have a sense of humor too.

23. Keith Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:16 am

    moving on . . .

24. Jeff G Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:21 am

    THERE SHOULD BE NO MET FANS HERE. GO TO YOUR OWN WEBSITE. YOU LOSER. MAN. WIN A WORLD SERIES FIRST YOU JERKS. YOU WILL NEVER NEVER WIN A WORLD SERIES.

25. phillyhater Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:24 am

    that was a great game tonight…form both sides…kind of ironic with all the talk about citi not being a homerun ballpark and all of a sudden there were 7 homeruns hit tonight…lol…johan did not have his best stuff…his past couple of starts have not been his best…we have given him run support..and he helped his cause tonight…phillies lineup is scary…they can all hit…but all this talk about the mets wanting to beat the phillies really badly…obviously…just like the phillies want to beat the mets really badly…lol..its both ways…i dont get why SOME philly fans..not all just some think that the phillies dont care about beating the mets…in their division they want to beat them…oh and it feels SOOO GOOD having a bullpen..this is another game we lose last year…but then again thats last year…i LOVE seeing victorino looking mad with krod celebrating..HAHAHA….thats awesome

26. David, the Mets fan from Queens Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:25 am

    I was present at tonight’s game, and have some interesting thoughts to posit.

    1. Emotions, emotions!

    The vibe at Citi Field was absolutely remarkable and yet telling. Firstly, I believe that Mets fans have been quite arrogant, and arguably condescending when speaking about their NL East rivals after the dominant 2006 Mets season. Tonight, it felt as if it was the first time that Mets fans felt as if they had something to prove to those Phillies fans that arduously (and maybe regrettably) drove up the I-95 for tonight’s game. No longer do Mets fans take such imperative games for granted, or so it seems. The stadium was rocking in a way that I have not felt thus far this season; mind you, I’ve attended several games! Such emotion was invested into every pitch of every at-bat. After Mr. Rollins gave Mr. Rollins gave his Phillies the lead, the Mets-faithful seemed to have lost hope. When Mr. Santana hit a double to tie the game once again, hope had arisen once more! Let’s not forget Pedreo Feliciano’s ability to induce a double play from the always indomitable Ryan Howard! When Fransisco Rodriguez finally struck out Greg Dobbs looking, euphoria set in. It was then that the Citi Field corridors were filled with echoes of “Let’s Go Mets,” “Phi-llies suck,” and “Phi-lly trash.” I was tempted to echo such sentiments as well, but withheld my composure and serenely proceeded to my car. Luckily for me, there was not much traffic on the Grand Central Parkway.

    2. Rollins’ Austerity

    Regardless of the merciless booing and heckling by Mets fans, Jimmy Rollins found the will to be productive in the sixth inning and promptly pounded a Johan Santana pitch deep into the left field seats; does such an act not speak louder than words? As a Mets fan, I am not particularly fond of Mr. Rollins, his self-righteous mannerisms and his loquaciousness. As a baseball fan, I appreciate his austerity and realize now why Philadelphia has fallen in love with their short stop.

    3. Is Ryan Howard the Albert Pujols of the East?

    I couldn’t believe how far Ryan Howard’s home run had traveled off his bat in the fourth inning. It seems as if every time Howard comes to the plate, the pitcher is ambivalent as to whether or not he should walk Ryan. Mr. Howard is becoming one of the most feared hitters in baseball; I understood tonight why he’s so prolific.

    Maybe such a comparison isn’t quite fair as Pujols currently experiencing an 0 for 15 slump!

    4. What a rivalry!

    Is it just me, or is the Phillies and Mets rivalry as hot, if not hotter than the Yankees and Red Sox rivalry? I hope that this northeastern baseball-fervency never ceases. As long as the Mets and Phillies are in the same division, no love will ever be shared between both teams. There’s nothing wrong with sharing an antipathy towards one another, Philadelphia!

    Regardless of the Mets’ win and Phillies’ loss, tonight’s affair was exhilarating.

    Good night, Philliesnation!

27. Chris.I Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:25 am

    First of all I have to admit, it was a good game….But my only question here is why the hell does Hamels keep avoiding facing Santana? Manuel should of put Hamels on the mound tonight, and Happ tomorrow to face Pelfry…There was no excuse not to pitch Hamels tonight (short rest, or whatever the excuse might have been) We had off yesterday, so he should of been well rested. Bad move on both Hamels and Manuel, because I guarentee we would of pulled this game off tonight.

28. Mike D. Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:28 am

    Outside Miner. I respect Miner.

    I’m worried. The Mets are a mirror image of our team last year, or maybe even 2007 – good starting pitching that carries us through injury and a cold starting lineup. K-Rod is their Lidge. Putz might even be their Tom Gordon. The best news for us is Lidge going on the DL to rest that knee, so he’ll have a knee left for the rest of his contract.

    Tonight is also proof as to WHY we need a RH bench bat – Eric Bruntlett going against Santana is a mismatch, no matter how it turned out.

29. phillyhater Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:40 am

    the difference is two main guys of our lineup is out…i cant wait for when jose and delgado come back…mets are going to be better..obviously expecting delgado to be himself…but not expecting much after coming back from surgery…and jose is jose…its going to be a different time come stretch time because we have a bullpen…

30. Chris.I Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:44 am

    I agree…Mets fans need to troll on their own damn sites. They win a game, and they think there the Phillies or something (lol). No but seriously NOONE here cares about the Mets…Go that way ~~~~~>

31. 4daysrest.com Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:52 am

    This was a frustrating loss tonight mainly because the Phillies finally got to Santana. This loss falls into the hands of Condrey and Durbin. They made bad pitches when it was time to put hitters away.

    And The Mets are not a good team so it pisses me off every time we lose to them. Hamels will get it back tomorrow.

32. Sylar Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:54 am

    “And The Mets are not a good team”

    Moron alert, moron alert!

33. David, the Mets fan from Queens Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 1:08 am

    4daysrest.com,

    Surely a team that hit the same amount of home runs as your team did tonight, a team that is only two games behind your team in your division, a team that has a better closer thus far, a team that wins games regardless of suffering from injuries to key players, a team that has beaten your teams more times than your team beat our team is not a team that “[isn't] good.”

    Frankly, I’d argue that the Mets are as good as the Phillies, even if the such a claim seems far-fetched on paper.

    Make valid and substantive claims before you ascertain whether or not a team is “good.”

34. DaveB Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 7:45 am

    fancy that, a mets phils thread where the mets are generally the civil side of the conversation! refreshing.

    Badass game.

35. Woodman Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 7:46 am

    When it counts, in September, as always the Muts will choke again. It’s got to be comforting to Muts fans that their best pitcher gave up FOUR dingers to the Fightins. Oh, that’s right, they have a closer now. (chuckle) This is only one game. Not a worrry about these guys. They will find a way to choke, as always.

36. bull Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 7:52 am

    you can say all you want about how charlie manages players…but to me he cant manage “the game”. Rollins leads off the 9th with a single against a pitcher that can give up stolen bases and essentially a rookie catcher and he does not try to steal! Then he does not have Feliz bunt him over! These are two glaring mistakes in my opinion. This team last year ran on anyone any time and that puts tremendous pressure on the pitcher.

37. therookie300 Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 8:03 am

    Durbin is maddening to watch at times. His stuff can look really good, like last night, and then that one bad pitch and bam. It just seems that when he makes that one mistake it gets blasted somewhere. Maybe we are expecting a little much out of Condrey. He is good, but not an elite middle reliever.

38. therookie300 Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 8:17 am

    bull:

    Feliz is hitting the ball pretty well this year and Matt Stairs is on deck. The risk/reward for stealing that base is not good when with one pitch Stairs can give you the lead. Remember when Vic got thrown out stealing with Stairs PH. Even a single by Stairs wouldn’t guarentee a run from second base.

39. Frank Helps You Think It All Out Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 8:37 am

    Death By Situational Left-Handers…

    I’m not sure I agree with the Mets’ ‘pen being competent is “unorthodox”. Frankly, the Mets have proven they can play that six-seven inning game with the Phillies. A baseball season is about finding repeatable formulas, and while the Mets don’t h…

40. Marc H Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Why do I have a sinking feeling that the Phillies won’t be in first place by Sunday evening.

    Tonight is a MUST…it’s the most favorable pitrching match up of this series for the Phillies

41. bull Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Therookie300,
    To me that philosophy is playing to lose. You can’t sit back and wait for something to happen you need to make it happen. Yes Feliz is hitting the ball well but wouldnt you rather have him hitting with Rollins at 2nd than at first? No it doesnt but it still has you first and third 1 out and for as good as dobbs was last year he is that bad this year.

42. Joe Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    I am a Mets fan and the reason I come on this site is simple. Have you seen Metsblog lately? Place is horrible.

    Believe it or not, the actual baseball conversation and analysis here is MUCH better. Not sure who runs this site or whatnot, but it is a fantastic baseball blog.

43. beta sigma shag Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:05 am

    It is only one game, and I know most of you thought it was a throw away game against Santana anyway so the loss is no big deal.
    I just do not understand why you take Happ out after getting Shefield out at home. Let the kid lose the game or win the game, he was batting 3rd or 4th the next inning, has one out and a man on first base. Let the kid pitch, he seemed to settle down after giving up the 3 runs he gave up. 105 pitches i know is a lot, but give the kid a chance to finish that inning, if he gives up the tying run then you bring in Condrey, or JC. I am not saying it would have changed the outcome

    In addition I would have to agree, I think you try to steal second while Peter Happy is up, you play aggresive on the road, especially against a closer who is on fire right now. I don’t think you sacrifice the tying run to second, you steal it, Pete struck out but they may have been different if JRoll was on second base.

    One more thing JRoll has been hitting out the 6th spot you leave him there, or is he the lead off again in a week

44. Don M Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:30 am

    If Hamels would have pitched last night.. on normal rest.. he could have also gone Sunday against the RedSox

    Instead they give him an extra day of rest.. No Hitter tonight

    next week he’ll get an extra day of rest before facing the Blue Jays..

    You need your ace to pitch against the Mets ACE, and the RedSox.. more than you need him to go against the Mets #2? and the struggling Blue Jays..

    BUT i guess in their minds, its too early to worry about head-to-head… and they think that the total number of wins is all that matters??

45. Manny Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:31 am

    This game was a freaking rollercoaster… either team could’ve won it… we did get 4 homers off Santana… and Jimmy played really well… so there’s definitely something to look forward today and tomorrow!

    It is a tough loss cause we managed to get the lead from Johan Santana. Then almost immediately Condrey gives up that double to Santana and we fall behind… are you kidding me!?

46. Don M Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:32 am

    Last night.. it seemed like a playoff game on TV.. both teams were really into that game.

    Happ looked alright.. but him and Bastardo need to learn how to not waste pitches.. have a plan.. don’t let your pitch-count be around 100 in the 5th inning.

    Too many times we’ve seen them throw “waste” pitches.. like Fastballs up-&-away with a 1-2 count… why not throw that ball up-&-inside?.. then you have more of the plate to use with the 2-2 count …

47. Chuck Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    Well…I predicted a 1 run game (with the Phils on top) but never saw the slugfest coming.

    The first post on this thread was something like “I can’t get too upset about this one.” Ok…maybe it wasn’t the the shocker of a walk-off HR or a blown save or whatever…but how can you not be upset by losing a game when you’re 3 runs down to Santana, come all the way back to take the lead…in the 6th inning…..only to cough up the lead….AND…….give up a double to Santana.

    All I can say is that is the kind of game that the Mets really needed…..and I don’t want to sound the alarms….but it’s the kind of game that could be season changing for them. The competitiveness that he showed could go a long way towards motivating that club.

    So…YES….I am upset about this one..

48. Don M Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    Durbin scares me anymore.. I know Condrey took the loss, but we did get that 5th run back

    I feel like Durbin is going to give up runs every single time he enters the game.. which sucks because he was GREAT for us for most of last year.

    I didn’t like Stairs pinch-hitting before Dobbs, because Jimmy couldn’t steal.. they would have definitely walked Stairs.

    Why not have Dobbs hit there.. if Rollins steals and they want to walk Dobbs to put guys on 1st and 2nd with Stairs at the plate, and only one out.. ??? That should have been the move..

    How about Rollins take-out slide at second!!!! I wonder how he’s feeling today.. that one had to hurt, and he looked like he was limping in the dugout after the game. Clean play.. kept the game alive.. Hell of a game by Jimmy last night

    Shane Victorino throwing home with Santana running was dumb.. Howard was off the bag, so he had a long, long way to go to get to a spot to cut that ball off.. just not a good play by Victorino (ended up not hurting us, but not smart)

49. Chuck Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Yeah, Don M….I agree. Pitch count was way too high too early. Happ did show guts and guile getting out of a huge jam to hold it to a 3 run game…so that’s a good sign.

    And was anybody surprised that Jerry Manuel took Santana out with his pitch count in the low 90s with a strike/ball ratio of something like 70/20?? Ok…it worked out…..but I was a bit surprised.

50. Don M Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    It’s a game in their ballpark, in early June..

    not a season-changing anything in my mind.. both teams are banged up right now..

    If they had won that game in our ballpark.. maybe it gives them some confidence. But it was a home game, with their ACE on the mound.. a game that they should have won much more easily..

    If anything it scared them that we got to Santana a little bit.. and our Lefty’s took him deep.. Rollins with a great game..

    I’m fine with last night.. sucks we lost, but we get to take a crack at them tonight

51. Chuck Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    I guess that’s the thinking Jerry M had with pulling Santana….we did did get to him. I just think he was so fired up that he could have finished the inning unscathed.

    And while we’re critiquing/praising players…how about the play by Ibanez with his throw to second….HUGE.

52. Don M Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    How about Gary Sheffield… I am glad we didn’t get him now..

    Thrown out at 2b..

    and after 20? years in the league.. you would think he wouldn’t bitch and complain about pitches down the heart of the plate being called STRIKES!!!

    but he did last night.. the at-bat where he K’d with the bases loaded.. he bitched about the both strikes thrown to him

53. Chuck Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    Yeah..the possibility of getting Sheffield was real intriguing when it was going on…but he’s too much of a complainer. Might have been too much of a distraction in the clubhouse.

    He did make a pretty nice play though getting to that foul ball (forget who hit it) near the fence. Not that I think he’s a better outfielder than any of our guys or anything….just an observation.

54. Chuck P Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    I said this yesterday… over his last 5 starts, Santana has been anything but untouchable. In fact, he has given up 23 runs over his past 5 starts. The guy has great control but his slider doesn’t have the same bite that it did early in the season and his fastball is not as live as it might have been, either (seems flat, to me).

    We dropped another close one… and this one hurt because we could have really made a statement.

    As much as I hate to say it, at some point Charlie needs to step up and take some responsibility. Condrey should have been taken out after Santana hit that double. As a relief pitcher, a slug-bunt hit coming from the pitcher has to really rattle your focus. When Condrey loses focus, it gets ugly. He has good stuff but he does have a tendency to take certain situations for granted (with the pitcher at the plate, he was more worried about fielding his position than throwing the right pitch).

    Also, with the game on the line, we didn’t have a pinch runner. Why? Because we’re carrying three catchers! The only guy with any speed on the bench is Bruntlett. With Stairs at first base in the 9th, the Mets are playing a no doubles defense… no pressure… not a chance that Stairs is going to steal. K-Rod settles back into his groove and records the final out… Dobbs with the bat resting on his shoulder.

    K-Rod is tough… he’s a good closer. What I like about him is that he’s not afraid to throw a changeup at any time and his changeup is pretty good… it’s certainly not unhittable but you can’t sit on it because he has a 95 MPH fastball with some giddy up (he really jumps at the hitters). I think that you have to put pressure on him and we had the chance to do that… you gotta get someone on base and get him moving. Make him think… I know that you’re not supposed to play for the tie on the road but when he’s able to take his time and settle in, he’s a guy that can deal. I trust Lopes and maybe he didn’t think Jimmy could make it (and I would be ok with that) but I would have sent him if he thought that he could.

55. From Section 113 Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    Chuck- I agree with you in Condrey, He needed to be lifted right after that Santana hit. I said from the beginning of the year that Durbin would not pitch like last year. He had an insane yr where set career highs in SO/BB ratio and whip. I thought it would be really tought for him to repeat like he did last yr.

    One positive side is we weren’t supposed to win that game last night based on pitching matchups. We almost did. I think next time we play Santana we beat him.

56. jmet Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    That was an amazing game. That was the most entertaining game I’ve seen all year by any two teams.

57. Uptown MIke Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    A few points,

    I am an even keel Mets fan who has seen the Best and Worst of times in the last 30 yrs.

    a) Great Game, Philly is still the #1 team in the game right now, They are a #2 starter away from bieng incredible.
    b) Mets absolutely choked 2 years ago, if we can truly count last year a choke not sure, but If the Phils lose Lidge for the rest of the season in the middle of the season and are left with JC and Madsen closing games, we will see.
    c) MIddle relievers are what they are, failed starters and scarey closers… Condrey today, Feliciano can be goat toNIGHT. Phils fans don’t get too uptight about it.
    D) WE ARE ABSOLUTELY THE BEST RIVALRY IN BASEBAL RIGHT NOW
    E) And finally, you are all welcome for the horrible trade we made, Juan Samuel for Dykstra..

58. ryan Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    goddamn that citi field is so hideous. it is very unpleasant even to watch a game there on TV. it is so dark with its black seats and all. looks like a funeral procession. not to mention, the dimensions are downright stupid. i understand CBP is a bandbox and you can get cheapies there, but Citifield is even worse in the opposite direction. 20 foot walls all the way around the outfield and deep as hell too. are you kidding me.

59. Don M Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Dobbs pissed me off last night… two “STIRKES” .. the first of which he watched, and was lucky enough to have it called incorrectly as a BALL … the next pitch was even better, and he still just watched it go by.

    that was weak Dobbs, weak

60. Don M Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    I’m glad they are there instead of Shea though..

    They should have made those walls a dark blue.. or dark green.. like a normal stadium.

    The dimensions out there will make it interesting though.. make you earn HRs.. and guys that bust it out of the box might be able to steal some triples off the walls on balls that don’t get high enough..

    I heard that Cinncy’s park is the worst “new” one.. it has nothing cool or unique at all..

    I’ve been to PNC in Pittsburgh (my favorite NEW one).. San Francisco’s is awesome too.. Fenway and Wrigley.. and I think I liked Wrigley better

    Old Yankee stadium was a dump, haven’t seen the new one..

    Camden Yards was cool, I haven’t been there in a long, long time though

61. Chuck Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Parks I’ve been to that are cool…besides CBP…..
    — Camden Yards…great park…the first of the new retro parks. Shame they don’t have the open concourse, though.
    –the Jake in Cleveland. Don’t think it’s called that anymore though. Very good sightlines.
    –Comerica in Detroit was ok….have been to old Tiger Stadium which was cool because it was old…but what a dump
    –Old Yankee…yeah, a dump…but cool for the history
    –Fenway…what can I say….haven’t been to Wrigley yet but need to get there.

62. Chuck Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Oh yeah…Dobbs sucked last night. You get paid to come off the bench in a situation like that you don’t just stand there. I agree with your earlier post…it shold have been Dobbs first….then Stairs.

63. Don M Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Wrigley is awesome.. we went out last year for the Phillies series..

    3 of the 4 games.. Friday we did Rooftop Bleachers across from RF
    Saturday we had good seats on the 3b side.
    Sunday we had OF Bleacher seats in the hot, hot sun, and we were hungover

    The people out there couldn’t be nicer.. even to opposing fans.. they liked us because they too hated Mets fans. And they all kept telling us that we were the one team they didn’t want to face int he playoffs last year..

    I wanted to see the Jake (Progressive Field?).. in Cleveland at some point.

    I heard KC’s stadium is really nice.. Dodgers Stadium (as long as I don’t get stabbed or “shanked”).. and the Padres new digs look kinda cool too, with that Warehouse in LF

64. Chuck Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    That’s it…Progressive Field.

    Heard the same about KC.

65. jrod Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    10-1 pelfry plunks victorshito tonight, that little weasle punk is looking for it( elbow to reyes on rundown play ect..) besides the guys is freaky looking. cant wait for brawl should be fun to watch

66. Don M Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    I said to the wifey last night that Rollins will have a pitch at his ribs tonight for that take-out slide..

    it was a clean, but tough play… you don’t often see it anymore, but it extended the game for the Phillies.. enough for Dobbs to watch a couple nice pitches!

    But i think Rollins gets drilled tonight.

    How about that one Changeup that KRod threw to Stairs.. dove Low & Away at the last minute.. that pitch was kinda nasty.. should be another good game tonight!

67. Stuart Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    I blame a lot fo this loss on Charlie. He shouldve had feliz bunt rollins over after a lead off single. put some pressure on krod. with the tying run at second maybe he woudve thrown different pitches and we might have been able to get that run. but how about j rolls slide. thats how we play baseball.

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