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77 Responses to “Werth Walks Off For 10th Straight Win”

1. Havoc Says:
   July 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 am

   Alright over under on this thread before The Dipsy hits on Amanda again heheheh

2. Phil Says:
   July 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 am

   I think Chan Ho should get the Ashburn award.

3. Mike W. Says:
   July 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 am

   The ball didn’t hit off the mound, it hit off of Lidge’s leg. Way more unique.

4. Amanda Orr Says:
   July 22nd, 2009 at 12:15 am

   My bad, I was at the game and had a bad angle on that play. Thought it was the mound. Still, an awesome play. Thanks, I’ll fix it.

5. Miles Says:
   July 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 am

   I can’t believe that after the stellar performances of Blanton and Park tonight that neither of them got the win. Condrey is just a vacuum for wins.

   How surreal is it that even after being on the DL for a stretch and not appearing in very many games of late, Clay Condrey has more wins than Cole Hamels and it’s almost the end of July. I wonder what the Vegas odds would have been on that.

6. Miles Says:
   July 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 am

   If it makes you feel any better, Amanda, TMac had no idea the ball hit Lidge’s leg until they showed about 4 replays. But he’s also an idiot so I guess I need to cut him a break.

7. Jason Grier Says:
   July 22nd, 2009 at 12:23 am

   I’m feeling the sweep tomorrow, who knows about the San Deigo game — but the St. Louis games make me nervous (as far as breaking our streak) sooo guess we’ll see!

8. Al in Seattle Says:
   July 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 am

   Another great win for the Phightins. By the way, was it just me that had the very quiet crowd on the Phils TV feed tonight? The crowd was much louder on the Cubs feed for some reason… Excellent win. G’night Nation.

9. Amanda Orr Says:
   July 22nd, 2009 at 12:58 am

   Al, the crowd was rockin.’ We were loud.

10. Brooks Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 1:01 am

    how sweet it is, 10 in a row and they really dont look stoppable if the pitching holds up.

11. Chris L Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 1:06 am

    Watching the Phils play in StL this year, there is no reason to fear the Cardinals. I’m not saying a sweep is a guarentee but they handled them easily and the way they’re playing I’d expect things to continue. If anything, I’m more worried of the SD game being the trap when they take things “easy” aginst the precieved weaker opponent.

12. Brooks Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 1:06 am

    Anyone see how the Rays won despite Pat?

13. LH Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 1:33 am

    Werth always hits hard when celebrating others achievements at the plate, so it’s about time he received his teammate’s paybacks with a winning home run. It took four months for the Phillies to finally start playing better then .500 ball at home, and yet the crowds keep coming.

    Rumor mill says that Toronto will be keeping Halladay since they have struck a deal with Lou Piniella’s Cubs. The Cubs are trading three minor league prospects, two starting pitchers, and 14 million to cover Hallday’s 2010 contract in exchange for Toronto’s hitting coach Gene Tenace. Blue Jays GM Ricciardi sends thank you letter to Lou for saving his job. Lou was quoted, after the Phils game, that he was setting a deadline for Gene Tenace to turn around his team’s batting average by end of August or he’ll kill him. Cubs owner said he will be hiring an angry management consultant to work with Lou and his nasty disposition.

    Miles please don’t cut McCarthy any slack or Sarge. Neither have any depth. Sarge is Mr. Obvious, and McCarthy need a personality and glasses. I know not to get excited when a Philly hits a ball to the outfield when McCarthy is announcing on the radio. He begins to get your hopes that it’s a home run but then has to lament that it didn’t even make it to the warning track.

14. beta sigma shag Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 6:40 am

    I think Chan Ho should have gotten the Ashburn, sure it was Jayson first walk off, but come on 3 innings nine batters no hits 5 K’s and if I am not mistaken only one 3-2 count, with out that performance Wreth would never been up to hit the Walk off, and I really like Wreth, but Chopper was flat out dealing last night. And another great outing by Blanton which was nice to see after his rough two innings against the fish.
    Great game Phils let do it again tonight,

15. Phil Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 6:57 am

    I agree Beta Sigma.

16. Jeff Y. Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 7:21 am

    You could have given the Ashburn to the bullpen.

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    July 22nd, 2009 at 7:56 am

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18. Scotty Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 8:08 am

    Werth’s first walk-off seems fitting for the award. But when there’s tussling over who should get it, things are pretty damn good.

19. Papa Thompson Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Miles, be thankful Tmac didn’t realize the ball hit off Lidge …. he might have called it “hoppo boppo.”

20. Matt Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 8:42 am

    what a pitching duel…. reminds me of old school baseball

21. ed 2 Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 9:01 am

    Havoc, over under is at 28…under

22. The Original Chuck P Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Werth’s first walk-off… gotta give him the Asburn BUT the bullpen was the story of the game.

    During yesterday’s game thread (at 8:40 PM), I predicted that it would be a long one… the Cubs have a very good bullpen but those guys have been under a lot of stress lately (yesterday night was the fifth game in a row that their pen has had to pitch 4 innings or more). Our pen, while not nearly as dominant, has been well rested lately… knew that we would pull it out (as long as we didn’t make any mistakes). Today’s game could be huge… if we can get to Z early, he’ll implode. Further, if they’re forced into their pen early for a 6th straight game, the odds will be in our favor again. At some point, that’s going to be problematic for Piniella… I would love to see the Cubs not make the playoffs… they’re going to get hot at some point.

    I’m really surprised that this site hasn’t mentioned Pedro’s simulated game… he threw 64 pitches, faced 20 batters and struck out 6. He should join Clearwater this weekend.

23. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 9:59 am

    Who says the Phillies ‘need’ pitching… I know Doc would still be nice

    I think we’ve under appreciated how good Blanton actually is and I don’t think in hindsight we overpaid for him. Sounds like he wasn’t ‘great’ down to health when he came over last year and still got the job done, this year outside of that early struggle he’s pitching as good as anyone that’s not a bonifide ace. I always thought he was a jack of all master of nothing in Oakland who was outmatched as a front of the rotation guy but when he’s hid in the middle a rotation he’s deadly and every so often his stuff is just outright nasty. Again Doc would be nice but if it comes down to it (and Hamels form improves), I’m don’t for a minute think Hamels, Blanton and Happ are straight-up outmatched by the likely top 3 of the likely play-off teams.

    Feels good to be a Phils fan…

24. Nick Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 10:00 am

    I had a conversation with Samardzija before the first game started about the Eagles draft picks and he insisted that Maclin will be hurt by the 4th week. I thought it was hilarious. He’s a really laid back guy and an absolute stud.

25. The Original Chuck P Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 10:34 am

    I like Samardzija… but they’re really leaning on his arm. He could be a decent starter if his team was willing to let him develop… he could have easily found a home on an NFL roster. Gotta respect him for playing both on the D1 stage. He’s a gamer…

    NJ- if you’re ok with hoping that Hamels improves and hoping that Blanton can be our #2 starter, then you should be willing to accept the fact that this team might not have the tools to win a short postseason series… on paper, we might not match up.

    Dodgers – Billingsly, Kuroda, Wolf, Kershaw
    Giants – Lincecum, Cain, Zito, Sanchez/Johnson
    Cardinals – Carpenter, Wainwright, Lohse, Piniero
    Rockies – Cook, Jimenez, Marquis, De La Rosa (8 consecutive QS for De La Rosa)
    Braves – Lowe, Jurrjens, Vazquez, Hanson/Kawakami/Hudson (late Aug)
    Phillies – Hamels, Blanton, Happ, Moyer/Martinez/Lopez

    Let’s say that Hamels does pitch like he did last postseason…

    Blanton would be matched up against Cain, Wainwright, Jimenez, Jurrjens/Hudson…

    Happ would be matched up against Wolf, Zito, Lohse, Marquis and Vazquez…

    Our fourth starter… really?

26. The Dipsy Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:20 am

    NJ – You being a proponent of “stay the course” “don’t get too high or too low” “its a long season” , I would think that you would recognize that Joe Blanton is pitching well and exceeding what he has done though out his career. As such, can’t count on that to keep happening. I don’t like him as a #2 or #3 starter in the WS. There are some people on here, and NJ and I’m not including you (necessarily, ha) that are of the mindset “hey, our pitching is good enough to get to the playoffs and when the playoffs come we’ll worry about it then because anything can happen”. Its a very “Eagle-esque” way to think. I’m in the “lets not just get to the playoffs, but lets add a pitcher that should make our playoff rotation immeasurably better”. Of course there is the matter of price. But I’m in the latter group. Halladay is THAT good. Its he and Santana and everybody else. I hope it happens.

    The Dipsy

27. Geoff Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:36 am

    I cant beleive people are buying into Rosenthal/Olney/heyman’s propaganda that the Phillies “have to overpay and will overpay” for someone. Why?

    They need to get someone. That doesnt mean they need to overpay to do it. Brett Myers is slated to make his return later in the season and work out of the bullpen. That scratches the need to go after Chad Qualls or a high-priced reliever this season. They still need a RH pinch hitter.

    Now theyre starting to realize that they dont NEED Roy Halladay, but they could settle for Cliff Lee and be just fine. Joe Blanton has been terrirfic, and so has Ja Happ.

    Can we finally put to rest the idea that JA Happ or Kyle Drabek will be traded? Ive really had enough of that.

28. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:41 am

    I think barring the Giants that we match-up fine IF the offense isn’t slumping. I would like Halladay, I’ve said that many times, I believe the Jays are asking too much and when it comes down to it if a deal doesn’t happen that’s not on Amaro because I don’t see Riccardi as a willing player.

    I think if we do face the Giants we can win, there are good pitching team but still a very beat-able team and I don’t think Roy Halladay tips the scales greatly in that one, if we hit we win and if we don’t we loose no matter who’s sent to the mound. The Dodgers are said to have a greater need for a starter than us and every other NL team I think our pitching is as good if not better, the Braves may be an exception but I don’t think anyone sees them making the Championship game and if they do it’s the same principle as the Giants.

    I do not agree the team do not have the tools to win, we seemingly had the tools last year and I don’t think any single addition makes a team win a world series like so many writers and fans suggest. I WHOLY think if this team is not in a slump or rusty in October then it’s capable of winning. Would I like Roy Halladay yes, would I pay a premium for him yes, would I hand-over all of our top farm talent and more no, I think Riccardi’s trying to take liberties with the one team willing to overpay with the intention of not dealing the guy.

    I think Hamels, Blanton and Happ (plus the number 4 options the Championship and Series games) is fine, again would I like to see and addition yes but I don’t think that combination is as grossly incompetent at the top level as some of you make out. I think many all but drone on that we have a handful of lame ducks when that’s really not the case. I also think bullpens have an understated position to play in the post-season.

29. Chuck Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 am

    I agree, Dipsy. Have to make the move now. Blanton sure does look good and he did do VERY WELL last postseason. But…..that was behind an extremely different Cole Hamels who, in my opinion, won’t be the same this postseason….even if he pulls it together. I just think Cole is really in his head right now and we can’t count on him to be the same guy in the playoffs. Too much pressure will be forced on Blanton, pressure that he didn’t necessarily have last year, and I am worried that it will have somewhat negative effects. So getting Halladay or Cliff Lee or whoever is critical.

30. The Original Chuck P Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Geoff- the pricetag for Cliff Lee will likely still be Drabek and three others… he won the AL Cy Young award last year and his contract is more affordable. Plus, the Indians still think that they can win that division if their team is healthy. Unloading Lee gives them virtually no shot… the Blue Jays are more motivated to move Halladay than the Indians are to move Lee.

31. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:48 am

    I guess the difference between a lot of us is our expectations for Cole Hamels. I’m not prepared to write the guy off especially when we get down to money games.

32. Chuck Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:54 am

    And let me just add….I DON’T think we should “overpay” as Geoff is suggesting that some fans are advocating. I was saying just a few days ago that I thought that four players would get us Halladay, Drabek being one of them. I think now that that is too much to give….if getting Halladay means giving up Drabek….then fine….but not with three other players. And…if Drabek IS the key to this as some have suggested, then I think that Taylor is off the table as well. Maybe that doesn’t get a deal done….so be it.

33. psujoe Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:54 am

    If it’s true that the Pirates would trade Zach duke, I’d go after him instead of over paying to get Halladay. What would you guys give up for Duke? Would you go as far as Brown and Knapp as the first two key pieces?

34. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 am

    I just have to add I expect all three of Hamels, Blanton and Happ to be able to go 7 without giving up much more than 3 runs and hand the ball over to what I expect to be a lock-down bullpen. I don’t think many teams can exceed that with a good bullpen (not just the closer) and an offense anywhere near us.

    All of these teams have to put up more runs than our offense takes off theirs, I trust ours to get more runs than we give up.

35. The Dipsy Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:57 am

    I think Cole will be fine. I wish he would develop a cutter and I want to see his change up die a little more at the end. He’s hanging his pitches. He’s a two pitch pitcher and I think guys are sitting on fastballs. And god forbid he leaves one of those curves up in the zone. See ya! Riccardi is a freakin idiot and really has no idea how to play this. An internal July 28 deadline? Oh. Ok. Ruben’s gonna fleece him.

    The Dipsy

36. Philly Texan Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Dipsy,
    I’m firmly in the “playoffs are a crapshoot” camp.

    But, in this instance, I’ve come around to your way of thinking on Halladay.

    I want Halladay because of the historic moment. (If the Phils hadn’t won last year, I probably wouldn’t feel this way.) But this team has a once-in-a-generation combination of talent and chemistry. The idea of getting HAlladay and having a shot at appearing in three-straight world series — and creating a team remembered for decades — is irresistible.

    NJ, Blanton has been great since he made that alteration to his delivery out of the stretch…..still, I’d love to see him as the No. 3….behind Hamels and Halladay.

37. The Original Chuck P Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 am

    No one is writing off Hamels… I’m expecting him to be lights out in the postseason… this team doesn’t match up 2-4 with anyone else except maybe the Rockies. Our offense carries us but our offense wasn’t great in the postseason last year… our bullpen was awesome, we came up with timely hits and played tremendous defense. I expect more out of our offense this year but there’s a reason that teams with good pitching make it to the postseason…

38. Chuck Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Original Chuck P….the Indians have NO chance of winning that division…with or without Cliff Lee. They’re in last place, 20 games under .500. NO CHANCE.

39. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    If the Jays would stop at Drabek and support pieces like Donald, Marson, Carrasco for Halladay I’d make the deal in a heartbeat. The problem is the Jays want Drabek, Brown/Taylor, Knapp and more.

    Would you make the deal if it was Drabek, Brown, Knapp and Donald? to me Drabek, Donald, Marson and a guy like Naylor is more than enough to get it done but Riccardi wants to take us to the cleaners.

40. Chuck Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    I’m not writing Hamels off…..but I’m not convinced he’s gonna be “lights out” either. Thinking that shouldn’t prevent us from trying to get another front-of-the-rotation pitcher.

41. Chuck Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Exactly, NJ….Drabek AND Taylor, etc. is too much.

42. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Can I just say since I think people really have the wrong idea of me I’d like to see Halladay/ Hamels/ Blanton/ Happ as much as any one of you.

    The only difference seems to be I’m not resigned to failure if we don’t land him by the deadline, I don’t think you can buy a championship and I think trying to do so is foolhardy and I see so many teams crippled as a consequence.

43. The Dipsy Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    NJ – respectfully – how do you know what the Jays really want? Ruben is gonna school that little bitch, Riccardi. As an aside, do you think Gillick’s connection to Toronto is providing for good counsel to Ruben? Right now, there is only one team that has motive and opportunity (lawyer talk, sorry) to land Halladay, and personally, I think Riccardi HAS TO move him, either because he’s under orders to shed payroll OR because Halladay is calling the shots.

    The Dipsy

44. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    ^I think were going to go as far without Halladay as we will with him. I see A LOT of other factors having to come into play and if they do I’d expect to see a victory parade and if they don’t it’s not going to matter, Halladay would just make me feel less nervous.

45. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Dipsy I can only go by what’s being suggested in the press and the most concrete rumour was the asking price being Drabek, one of the outfielders, Knapp and Donald.

    To be honest I think were doing a lot of talking here dancing around in circles wanting the same thing only from differing angles. Whatever’s going on behind the scenes, I think if Halladay’s gettable Ruben will get it done otherwise I’d expect to see him remain a Jay and think Riccardi’s asking price was more than any team was willing to meet and rightly so if it’s THAT high.

46. psujoe Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    mlbtraderumors update

    11:08am: Jon Heyman of SI.com says the Brewers appear to be a threat to acquire Halladay. He’s hearing Manny Parra’s name and suspects Mat Gamel or Alcides Escobar would have to be involved, too.

    11:06am: Ricciardi told ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark that talks are expected to intensify early next week. The Blue Jays haven’t exchanged names with interested teams yet, but Ricciardi expects to tell teams what he’s looking for by Monday.

    That wouldn’t leave much time before Tuesday’s self-imposed deadline, but Ricciardi said it’s a soft deadline.

    Ricciardi says four teams are “really, really serious” about Halladay. The Phillies are believed to be one of his top suitors and Ricciardi confirmed that the Jays will scout Kyle Drabek’s upcoming start.

47. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    The more worrying right is LaRoche to the Red Sox… That team could be unstoppable no matter the additions.

48. Chuck Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Riccardi’s just not a respectable trade partner. His asking price DOES seems high based on what’s being said by the media….and now the guy is imposing his OWN deadline of the 28th for doing a deal. He’s either trying to effectively bully all the other GMs so one of them will cave into his demands or he’s a complete idiot.

49. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    ^right now…

50. Brooks Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    We know what the offense looks like when they shut down. Just like last night, they grow colder than ice with men on base, even getting men on base seems a chore.
    The great thing about this streak is that our pitching kept giving the offense the last chance they needed to secure the win and that will happen sooner or later. No way to keep this crew down and if the other team cannot touch our bull pen, we will score sooner or later.
    Our stinker in the playoffs vs the Dodgers when 1,2 – it was done with. Victorino and Stairs with hrs and an improbable Phillies win.
    This team looks unstoppable right now. Expect to see some fireworks today and likely win #11 in a row.

51. The Dipsy Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Nj – Enough said. You’re a “bottom line” guy. How you makin out with my Spice Girls dolls. Posh Spice is my favorite so please work on that one first. Thanks.

    The Dipsy

52. The Dipsy Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Oh, so now its a “soft” deadline? What an amateur.

    The Dipsy

53. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Not come up with anything I’m afraid, asking for Spice Girl memorabilia will get you a punch in this part of the world.

    Am more concerned with what LaRoche in Beantown means and what happens if Wakefield stays on the DL and Bucholz just so happens to become a fixture in that rotation… To be nothing stops the Sox if they have their shop in order come October, we could add Halladay and Lee and I’d still see us on the back foot.

54. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Riccardi’s a douchebag, he seemed like a cooler more laid back disciple of Bilyl Beane but he’s just a guy who can’t get it done who thinks he’s got the best hand at every table, that attitudes the Beane way.

    Forget the Brewers I think our only threat of not landing Halladay’s Riccardi keeping him and how well’s that going to play in the off-season with Peavy, Lee, Lackey, Webb and Bedard available…

55. Miles Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    As much as I like Happ, I’m officially convinced that if we can throw him into a package and move him instead of Drabek that we should do it. If we are all convinced that Happ is going to be this good over the next couple years, we are really fooling ourselves. 89 mph fastballs and mediocre offspeed stuff get hit eventually. Ask Krazy K. Happ’s stock could not possibly be higher and if we can throw him in a deal instead of Drabek we have to do it. Just like we can still make the playoffs without Halladay, we can certainly still make the playoffs and more with Halladay in Happ’s place. Let Lopez and Pedro pick up the rest of the slack.

56. Geoff Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    I cant see the Dodgers or Cardinals landing Halladay, BUT I really dont want to see the Brewers land him – though I dont think they will.

    I think eventually theyre going to call Riccardis bluff. I think Ricciardi is going to get fired in the offseason by Toronto.

57. Chuck Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    It didn’t sound so “soft” yesterday….yeah….d-bag for sure.

58. Geoff Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Im starting to think this is about 90% bull. Riccardi is flip-fllopping around more than your typical politician does these days. And hes BS-ing BECAUSE of people like some of our fans here who want to trade JA Happ or Kyle Drabek for him. Hes counting on some desperate-a$$ team to come in and fall into a trap. Aside from that I dont think hes got a leg to stand on.

59. Chuck Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    For God’s sake….will people PLEASE stop comparing J.A. Happ to Kyle Kendrick!!

60. Geoff Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Im morbidly anticipating the Pirates’ return for Adam LaRoche. Im also scared to find out – like a car accident. You dont want to look but you cant stop yourself from doing it.

61. Geoff Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    If youre the Phillies, why would you trade a young, cheap player who was 4th in the WHOLE NL in ERA after his last start and has yet to lose a game this season. Real smart, I dont care WHO its for….you find another way.

62. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Geoff it’s probably the 49th and 49th players in the Red Sox system and an I owe you

63. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    48th and 49th^

    The Pirates are just a classless organisation, really feel for guys like Jack Wilson.

64. Geoff Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    I think MLB has actually begun investigating the Pirates. Like no joke, my friend sent me a clipping from the local news in PGH about how MLB might actually start looking at what teh Pirates are trying to do.

65. The Dipsy Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    I just wanna Ruben to call JP on the phone and be able to hear something like this: “Yo, JP, Ruben here. Look man, if you’re gonna trade Halladay, let me know what you want. But before your deadline of course. When did ya say that was again? The 28th? Oh, its the 29th now? Because your going to a bar mitzvah on the 28th? Very good. Yes, Drabek, Happ, Taylor, Knapp and Brown are still off the table. Sure, Worley can be part of the deal. Ok, get back to me. Later”.

    The Dipsy

66. Miles Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    @Geoff and Chuck…. First of all I’m not trying to compare Happ and Kendrick as pitchers, I’m just noting that the situation could end up being similar. I love Happ, he’s been by far the best arm on the team. But can you honestly tell me with a straight face that you see him putting up these numbers in the playoffs and into next year? If the goal is to win another championship, he is expendable for Halladay.

67. Miles Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    And Geoff I know you don’t like talking about Drabek or Happ for Halladay but I really think it takes one of them. Most people close to the situation do. So you have to weigh your options….Happ or Drabek? You gotta keep Drabek.

68. NJ Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    I really think the issue is going to be what else is in the deal, If Riccardi’s only asking for one of Drabek/Happ/Brown/Taylor then you have bite the bullet, it’s the multiples and then still more in a package which is a concern.

69. psujoe Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Riccardi is all over the place and Lee will cost almost as much. I know we’re lefty heavy, but I really like Duke. Would you guys trade Brown/Carrasco/Carpenter for him?

70. Geoff Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    They gave LaRoche away for guys I have NEVER heard of.

    At this rate, if we called them and offered Brown/Carrasco/Carpenter for Zach Duke theyd call us back and counter-offer and say theyll send us Duke for Kendrick/Carpenter & Andy Tracy who would immediately be promoted to replace Adam LaRoche.

71. psujoe Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    geoff, get it done! lol.

72. Chuck Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    Sorry Miles….I respectfully disagree. How do you know Happ can’t put up these #s in the playoffs and into next year. And ,between Happ and Drabek, I trade Drabek…..he’s UNPROVEN. Not saying that I wouldn’t want to keep him or that i think we should just GIVE he away. But Happ is the one to keep. Again….it’s the you-can’t add-by-subtracting argument. And, by losing Happ, you are SUBTRACTING from the major league roster.

73. The Original Chuck P Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Every day it’s something else… BS at every turn.

    Vernon Wells must be included… BS
    Myers might be back by August… BS
    NYM declines offer… BS
    Toronto sets a deadline… BS
    Drabek/Brown off limits… BS

    I would not trade Brown/Carrasco/Carpenter for Duke.

74. psujoe Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    TOC, just throwing names out there. What would makea deal happen for Duke? He’d be our clear #2.

75. shag beta sigma delta Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    You do not trade Happ, 89 mph fastballs, and above average off speed stuff with a mentor like Moyer, could and will be 2 or 3 at worse 3 4 starter in any rotation in the NL. So Miles you are smoking way to much if you would rather give up a proven pitcher, have you forgoten that he pitched very well out of the pen in a WFS. The kid is just going to get better. And you want to let him go and keep an unproven “Sure Thing” Pass some of what you are smoking over here cause I am having a rough day.

76. psujoe Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Man, Hunter Stickland has given up 11 Dingers in 83 innings at A greenville. Good control with only 13 walks, but Diaz and Strickland isn’t great value.

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