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		<title>By: j reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>j reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kwalker - if you read back in the post you&#039;ll see a reasonable hypothesis about why Tulo&#039;s  Error Runs Above Average is higher than Rollins.  It boils down to opportunities which other than how much a fielder covers in his zone, he has no control of.  For the Rox ground ball pitchers can counteract the effects of Denver altitude on the fly balls...on average they travel 20 ft longer there than any other ball park.  Unfortunately the league, if they used a modicum of scientific reasoning. should have foreseen this and required the stadium be domed.  Be that as it may, the Rox top pitchers, Marquis and Cook both induce alot of groundballs.  The Phillies for some unfathomable reason are chock full of fly ball pitchers contrary to the dictates of the CBP dimensions .  At any rate, this could account for why Tulo has more chances  than Rollins and therefoe a better  Error Runs Above Average.  If things like arm strength/speed, perception/reaction speed, agility and other athletic abilities necessary for fielding were measured, perhaps a better picture of the fielder&#039;s abilities could provide a picture of the fielder freed from a context where there are factors beyond his sphere of influence .  As such these qualities can be weighed against the aforementioned discrepanciy to more precisely ascertain a fielder&#039;s value.  Too bad the All Star game doesn&#039;t feature fielding skills contests similar to the NBA and NHL all star games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kwalker &#8211; if you read back in the post you&#8217;ll see a reasonable hypothesis about why Tulo&#8217;s  Error Runs Above Average is higher than Rollins.  It boils down to opportunities which other than how much a fielder covers in his zone, he has no control of.  For the Rox ground ball pitchers can counteract the effects of Denver altitude on the fly balls&#8230;on average they travel 20 ft longer there than any other ball park.  Unfortunately the league, if they used a modicum of scientific reasoning. should have foreseen this and required the stadium be domed.  Be that as it may, the Rox top pitchers, Marquis and Cook both induce alot of groundballs.  The Phillies for some unfathomable reason are chock full of fly ball pitchers contrary to the dictates of the CBP dimensions .  At any rate, this could account for why Tulo has more chances  than Rollins and therefoe a better  Error Runs Above Average.  If things like arm strength/speed, perception/reaction speed, agility and other athletic abilities necessary for fielding were measured, perhaps a better picture of the fielder&#8217;s abilities could provide a picture of the fielder freed from a context where there are factors beyond his sphere of influence .  As such these qualities can be weighed against the aforementioned discrepanciy to more precisely ascertain a fielder&#8217;s value.  Too bad the All Star game doesn&#8217;t feature fielding skills contests similar to the NBA and NHL all star games.</p>
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		<title>By: kwalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes JR is having a very good defensive season. Not as good as some, but very good.
He&#039;s a great guy, but he should have declined the 2007 Gold Glove. Tulowitzki was a better defender then-- and is a better defender this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes JR is having a very good defensive season. Not as good as some, but very good.<br />
He&#8217;s a great guy, but he should have declined the 2007 Gold Glove. Tulowitzki was a better defender then&#8211; and is a better defender this year.</p>
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		<title>By: j reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>j reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corey - also I can&#039;t recall Jeter ever putting his team on his back like Rollins did in his MVP year...we also forgot the WBC....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey &#8211; also I can&#8217;t recall Jeter ever putting his team on his back like Rollins did in his MVP year&#8230;we also forgot the WBC&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yankee Fan - You bring up some good points and some completely irrelevant ones.

1) Jeter being the Yankees captain and winning several championships - IRRELEVANT. Baseball is a team game. Jeter didn&#039;t play 1-on-1 baseball vs. other shortstops to win that World Series, he was aided by the highest payroll in the league. I&#039;ll put it this way, if you put Jeter on those Phillies teams during that time, the Phillies wouldn&#039;t have been World Series champions. Jeter was a key component of great teams, not the reason for championships.

2) His offense has nothing to do with this article. But now that you mention it, besides batting average, Jeter and Rollins are similar in most stats. 

Jimmy: 17 HR, 60 RBI, 34 2B, 3 3B, 80 R, 25-33 SB, .415 SLG, 
Jeter: 17 HR, 60 RBI, 25 2B, 1 3B, 94 R, 23-28 SB, .482 SLG

Yes, the batting average is 90 points higher, but considering the Yankees play in a lineup with 9 hitters, not 8, and have scored more runs than the Phillies, shouldn&#039;t Jeter&#039;s much higher batting average have resulted in more than a 14-run difference to Jimmy? Just saying...

3) You are correct that a ball booted in the hole may be ruled an infield hit...or it may not. It depends on the runner and the official scorer. Say Adam LaRoche, a plodding first baseman hits a ball in the hole that Jimmy gets to and boots, or makes a poor throw on, that would be an error, because even though he made a nice play getting to it, he still should have had the out. That said, it is QUANTIFIABLY PROVEN that Rollins covers far more ground than Jeter. This year, the difference is small. The past 5-7 years, the difference is VAST.

4) You&#039;re own point dooms your argument when you mention &quot;What about a first baseman saving an errant throw&quot;... last time I checked, the Yankees first baseman this season is Mark Teixeira, one of the best fielders in the business, and FAR superior with the glove to Ryan Howard. So thank you for bringing that up, as that may be a reason for Jeter&#039;s better fielding this season.

Lastly, to say Rollins may not be playing short in five years while Jeter will is ridiculous. If anything, that statement should be vice versa. Jimmy will have his speed and defense long after his bat speed goes, and he will never be anything but a major league shortstop. 

Yankee fans love Derek Jeter the way Phillies fans love Jimmy Rollins. They&#039;re both exceptional players. 

Jeter has had a better offensive career, without question. Jimmy has had a better defensive career, without question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yankee Fan &#8211; You bring up some good points and some completely irrelevant ones.</p>
<p>1) Jeter being the Yankees captain and winning several championships &#8211; IRRELEVANT. Baseball is a team game. Jeter didn&#8217;t play 1-on-1 baseball vs. other shortstops to win that World Series, he was aided by the highest payroll in the league. I&#8217;ll put it this way, if you put Jeter on those Phillies teams during that time, the Phillies wouldn&#8217;t have been World Series champions. Jeter was a key component of great teams, not the reason for championships.</p>
<p>2) His offense has nothing to do with this article. But now that you mention it, besides batting average, Jeter and Rollins are similar in most stats. </p>
<p>Jimmy: 17 HR, 60 RBI, 34 2B, 3 3B, 80 R, 25-33 SB, .415 SLG,<br />
Jeter: 17 HR, 60 RBI, 25 2B, 1 3B, 94 R, 23-28 SB, .482 SLG</p>
<p>Yes, the batting average is 90 points higher, but considering the Yankees play in a lineup with 9 hitters, not 8, and have scored more runs than the Phillies, shouldn&#8217;t Jeter&#8217;s much higher batting average have resulted in more than a 14-run difference to Jimmy? Just saying&#8230;</p>
<p>3) You are correct that a ball booted in the hole may be ruled an infield hit&#8230;or it may not. It depends on the runner and the official scorer. Say Adam LaRoche, a plodding first baseman hits a ball in the hole that Jimmy gets to and boots, or makes a poor throw on, that would be an error, because even though he made a nice play getting to it, he still should have had the out. That said, it is QUANTIFIABLY PROVEN that Rollins covers far more ground than Jeter. This year, the difference is small. The past 5-7 years, the difference is VAST.</p>
<p>4) You&#8217;re own point dooms your argument when you mention &#8220;What about a first baseman saving an errant throw&#8221;&#8230; last time I checked, the Yankees first baseman this season is Mark Teixeira, one of the best fielders in the business, and FAR superior with the glove to Ryan Howard. So thank you for bringing that up, as that may be a reason for Jeter&#8217;s better fielding this season.</p>
<p>Lastly, to say Rollins may not be playing short in five years while Jeter will is ridiculous. If anything, that statement should be vice versa. Jimmy will have his speed and defense long after his bat speed goes, and he will never be anything but a major league shortstop. </p>
<p>Yankee fans love Derek Jeter the way Phillies fans love Jimmy Rollins. They&#8217;re both exceptional players. </p>
<p>Jeter has had a better offensive career, without question. Jimmy has had a better defensive career, without question.</p>
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		<title>By: Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;Yankee Fan&quot; has too much time on his hands and should get back to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;Yankee Fan&#8221; has too much time on his hands and should get back to work.</p>
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		<title>By: joedad</title>
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		<dc:creator>joedad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAHAHA...“Proofread Nation”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAHAHA&#8230;“Proofread Nation”.</p>
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		<title>By: Don M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug D. should killll himself.. if you want to proofread stuff.. google &quot;Proofread Nation&quot;  maybe you will find some interesting stuff there, but to knock someone&#039;s possesive, indirect clauses or whatever you are talking about..

...
Yankee fan... Jeter is going to the Hall of Fame, Rollins probably is not.. 
Jeter is having a great year offensively, Rollins is not..

And while Jeter is having a very, very good year DEFENSIVELY.. Rollins is having a better year with the glove. ..  I think when I looked last week, Jeter had only 7 errors .. but if Rollins really only has 3 errors (and definitely has more range than Jeter right now).. give props where they are due

Better overall player, better overall season.. Derek Jeter
Better &quot;with the glove&quot; ... Jimmy Rollins</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug D. should killll himself.. if you want to proofread stuff.. google &#8220;Proofread Nation&#8221;  maybe you will find some interesting stuff there, but to knock someone&#8217;s possesive, indirect clauses or whatever you are talking about..</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
Yankee fan&#8230; Jeter is going to the Hall of Fame, Rollins probably is not..<br />
Jeter is having a great year offensively, Rollins is not..</p>
<p>And while Jeter is having a very, very good year DEFENSIVELY.. Rollins is having a better year with the glove. ..  I think when I looked last week, Jeter had only 7 errors .. but if Rollins really only has 3 errors (and definitely has more range than Jeter right now).. give props where they are due</p>
<p>Better overall player, better overall season.. Derek Jeter<br />
Better &#8220;with the glove&#8221; &#8230; Jimmy Rollins</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You Philly fans make me laugh.  Are you serious with some of the comments in this article?  Sorry, but to compare Rollins to Jeter (even now that Jeter is 35) is laughable.  It&#039;s an old, outdated argument already proven to have no merit when stat gurus (who&#039;ve probably never even thrown a baseball) &quot;quantifiably&quot; call Jeter a poor defensive shortstop.  You need to sit down and watch a Yankee game.  I won&#039;t waste my time talking about what Jeter has already accomplished.  (Sufficed to say that by the time Jeter was Rollins&#039; age, he already was captain and led his team to 6 World Series appearances.)  But even this year, Jeter&#039;s defensive numbers are every bit as good as Rollins&#039;.  

There&#039;s two problems with your reasoning.  First, throw all the stats at me you want but there&#039;s simply no way to quantify how many grounders are - or are not - attainable by a shortstop.  Period.  And, secondly, if a shortstop has more range and reaches a grounder that another shortstop may not reach (such as Jeter), then boots it, it&#039;s NOT an error!!!  It&#039;s an infield hit and does not affect their fielding stats.  This season, Rollins only has a handful of more &#039;total chances&#039; than Jeter and they&#039;re fielding percentages are just a few points apart.  How do explain that?  And, what about other defensive attributes that you don&#039;t mention?......the errant throws that a first baseman saves, getting pop-ups in shallow outfield areas, getting runners stealing, etc.   What about the plays that Rollins may not even attempt - calling it an infield hit - when Jeter could make one of his &quot;jump throws&quot; (that you so enjoy watching on Sportscenter) to get the out?  What about other factors.....how hard the grounder was hit?  Turf of grass?  Etc.

And, offensively, there&#039;s simply no comparison to what Jeter still brings to the table everyday.  Like I said, do yourself a favor and watch Jeter play a game or two.  And, keep in mind that this is a 35 year old guy who is in the 9th year of an unprecedented 10 year contract and still putting up MVP worthy numbers both offensively and defensively.  I&#039;d be shocked if Rollins is even still playing shortstop 5 years from now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You Philly fans make me laugh.  Are you serious with some of the comments in this article?  Sorry, but to compare Rollins to Jeter (even now that Jeter is 35) is laughable.  It&#8217;s an old, outdated argument already proven to have no merit when stat gurus (who&#8217;ve probably never even thrown a baseball) &#8220;quantifiably&#8221; call Jeter a poor defensive shortstop.  You need to sit down and watch a Yankee game.  I won&#8217;t waste my time talking about what Jeter has already accomplished.  (Sufficed to say that by the time Jeter was Rollins&#8217; age, he already was captain and led his team to 6 World Series appearances.)  But even this year, Jeter&#8217;s defensive numbers are every bit as good as Rollins&#8217;.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s two problems with your reasoning.  First, throw all the stats at me you want but there&#8217;s simply no way to quantify how many grounders are &#8211; or are not &#8211; attainable by a shortstop.  Period.  And, secondly, if a shortstop has more range and reaches a grounder that another shortstop may not reach (such as Jeter), then boots it, it&#8217;s NOT an error!!!  It&#8217;s an infield hit and does not affect their fielding stats.  This season, Rollins only has a handful of more &#8216;total chances&#8217; than Jeter and they&#8217;re fielding percentages are just a few points apart.  How do explain that?  And, what about other defensive attributes that you don&#8217;t mention?&#8230;&#8230;the errant throws that a first baseman saves, getting pop-ups in shallow outfield areas, getting runners stealing, etc.   What about the plays that Rollins may not even attempt &#8211; calling it an infield hit &#8211; when Jeter could make one of his &#8220;jump throws&#8221; (that you so enjoy watching on Sportscenter) to get the out?  What about other factors&#8230;..how hard the grounder was hit?  Turf of grass?  Etc.</p>
<p>And, offensively, there&#8217;s simply no comparison to what Jeter still brings to the table everyday.  Like I said, do yourself a favor and watch Jeter play a game or two.  And, keep in mind that this is a 35 year old guy who is in the 9th year of an unprecedented 10 year contract and still putting up MVP worthy numbers both offensively and defensively.  I&#8217;d be shocked if Rollins is even still playing shortstop 5 years from now.</p>
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		<title>By: The Original Chuck P</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Original Chuck P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A tip of the hat to you, Corey... I&#039;ll admit that I&#039;m a homer and I prefer to read cheery over dreary.  As long as this team is in first place, I&#039;ll continue to challenge the nay sayers.

I think that this article gets to the nuts of what many of us have been saying all year with J-Roll; I don&#039;t care if he hits .225 because the guy is worth a ton of runs over any replacement player in the field.  We take defense for granted but this team is really good defensively and that is a huge asset, especially in close games... I didn&#039;t realize how spectacular this season has been for J-Roll.  If you look at his progression as a defender, he has actually gotten better with age... he has improved his fielding percentage in each of the past five seasons.  I love J-Roll... he&#039;s one of my favorite players on this team.  He makes it look easy... sometimes his laissez faire attitude can drive you nuts but he is supremely talented and has always backed up what he has said.

The Phils are in much better shape, Brooks.  We&#039;ve got a 7.5 game cushion (meaning we will be able to rest guys and set up our rotation), our offense is much better (Big Piece doing his thing, a healthy Utley, a healthy Feliz, Ibanez as a replacement for Burrell, Chooch improving, Werth playing the best baseball that he has played), if Hamels keeps improving (which I think he will) our starting rotation is 10X better, Lidge IS getting better, Myers could be added to that mix... our bench/pen is not even close (to where it was last year) but our starters are much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tip of the hat to you, Corey&#8230; I&#8217;ll admit that I&#8217;m a homer and I prefer to read cheery over dreary.  As long as this team is in first place, I&#8217;ll continue to challenge the nay sayers.</p>
<p>I think that this article gets to the nuts of what many of us have been saying all year with J-Roll; I don&#8217;t care if he hits .225 because the guy is worth a ton of runs over any replacement player in the field.  We take defense for granted but this team is really good defensively and that is a huge asset, especially in close games&#8230; I didn&#8217;t realize how spectacular this season has been for J-Roll.  If you look at his progression as a defender, he has actually gotten better with age&#8230; he has improved his fielding percentage in each of the past five seasons.  I love J-Roll&#8230; he&#8217;s one of my favorite players on this team.  He makes it look easy&#8230; sometimes his laissez faire attitude can drive you nuts but he is supremely talented and has always backed up what he has said.</p>
<p>The Phils are in much better shape, Brooks.  We&#8217;ve got a 7.5 game cushion (meaning we will be able to rest guys and set up our rotation), our offense is much better (Big Piece doing his thing, a healthy Utley, a healthy Feliz, Ibanez as a replacement for Burrell, Chooch improving, Werth playing the best baseball that he has played), if Hamels keeps improving (which I think he will) our starting rotation is 10X better, Lidge IS getting better, Myers could be added to that mix&#8230; our bench/pen is not even close (to where it was last year) but our starters are much better.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rollins is not the best defensive ss this year and wasnt in 07. with that being said he is still one of the best of his time.</description>
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