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		<title>By: Mike Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/big-names-top-offseason-wishlist/comment-page-3/#comment-159048</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now check this out.

 Go to baseball-reference and look at the play by play for Game 3 Here it is:NYY A. Rodriguez C. Hamels Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep LF); Teixeira Scores.

Really? Fly Ball to Deep LF.  So Jayson Werth plays LF, no he doesn&#039;t.   Why isn&#039;t the play listed as RF in the box score? Does baseball-reference get box scores wrong? No. 

Go to yahoo and look at the play by play for Game 3 Here it is:Top 4th: NY Yankees  
- J. Damon flied out to right center  
- M. Teixeira walked  
- A. Rodriguez doubled to right, M. Teixeira to third  
- J. Posada grounded out to shortstop  
- R. Cano fouled out to catcher  

2 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors  

2 runs? Really? Then who scored? Looks like Yahoo got it right, do you see how it says &quot;doubled&quot; and not &quot;HR&quot;, because A-Rod didn&#039;t hit a home run.

People are starting to realize now that the ball was NOT a home run.  And in time the truth will come out.  It WASN&quot;T a home run and the umps got the call WRONG.

Next I&#039;m going to post the thousands of comments made by readers saying why it was NOT a home run.   Also, notice how all the people who say it wasn&#039;t a home run go into detail and describe the play.  And notice how the people who say it was a home run, don&#039;t go into any detail about the play and try to bring up comparisons between the Phillies and Yankees, like it has something to do with the play.  It doesn&#039;t.  The play has nothing to do with anything else in the world, excpet for the simple fact that the ball WASN&quot;T going over the fence, and NEVER did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now check this out.</p>
<p> Go to baseball-reference and look at the play by play for Game 3 Here it is:NYY A. Rodriguez C. Hamels Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep LF); Teixeira Scores.</p>
<p>Really? Fly Ball to Deep LF.  So Jayson Werth plays LF, no he doesn&#8217;t.   Why isn&#8217;t the play listed as RF in the box score? Does baseball-reference get box scores wrong? No. </p>
<p>Go to yahoo and look at the play by play for Game 3 Here it is:Top 4th: NY Yankees<br />
- J. Damon flied out to right center<br />
- M. Teixeira walked<br />
- A. Rodriguez doubled to right, M. Teixeira to third<br />
- J. Posada grounded out to shortstop<br />
- R. Cano fouled out to catcher  </p>
<p>2 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors  </p>
<p>2 runs? Really? Then who scored? Looks like Yahoo got it right, do you see how it says &#8220;doubled&#8221; and not &#8220;HR&#8221;, because A-Rod didn&#8217;t hit a home run.</p>
<p>People are starting to realize now that the ball was NOT a home run.  And in time the truth will come out.  It WASN&#8221;T a home run and the umps got the call WRONG.</p>
<p>Next I&#8217;m going to post the thousands of comments made by readers saying why it was NOT a home run.   Also, notice how all the people who say it wasn&#8217;t a home run go into detail and describe the play.  And notice how the people who say it was a home run, don&#8217;t go into any detail about the play and try to bring up comparisons between the Phillies and Yankees, like it has something to do with the play.  It doesn&#8217;t.  The play has nothing to do with anything else in the world, excpet for the simple fact that the ball WASN&#8221;T going over the fence, and NEVER did.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/big-names-top-offseason-wishlist/comment-page-3/#comment-159046</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.Why did Texeira stop at 3rd base?
2.Why did A-Rod stop at 2nd base?
3.Why was it originally ruled a double?
4.Why in MLB official rules does it state that a ball hitting a camera overhanging from the fence shall be considered part of the fence and in play?
5.Why does it say that exact same thing in the rules for Citizens Bank Park?
6.Why was Charlie Manuel unaware of the supposed &quot;ground rule&quot;
7. Why did they use replay to check on a &quot;ground rule&quot; they made up because they supposedly didn&#039;t have replay to check where the camera was?
8.Why were the umps in and out in 15 seconds?
9.Where is the video or picture PROOF that this was a home run? Not a guess, the PROOF anywhere on the internet?
10.Why did Gerry Davis say he doesn&#039;t control what the camerman does with the camera, then proceeds to control the cameraman for Game 4?
11.Why did Gerry Davis say he doesn&#039;t control what the camerman does with the camera, when he has instant replay to PROVE exactly what the camerman does with the camera?
12.Why was the cameraman in fair territory?
13.Where is the EXACT side angle?
14.Why does the ball drop 8 feet with only 4 feet to go?
15.Why didn&#039;t the umps move the camera back instead of making up a ground rule?
16.Why are there pictures that show the camera at 3 different lenghts from the top of the fence?

Are you going to answer ALL 15 questions correctly? I don&#039;t think so. Because its not a home run.  The ball never went over the fence.  There is no PROOF, even to this day. 

For starters, try answering question 13 before you think you know where the ball was going. 

How about NOT over the fence, how does that sound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.Why did Texeira stop at 3rd base?<br />
2.Why did A-Rod stop at 2nd base?<br />
3.Why was it originally ruled a double?<br />
4.Why in MLB official rules does it state that a ball hitting a camera overhanging from the fence shall be considered part of the fence and in play?<br />
5.Why does it say that exact same thing in the rules for Citizens Bank Park?<br />
6.Why was Charlie Manuel unaware of the supposed &#8220;ground rule&#8221;<br />
7. Why did they use replay to check on a &#8220;ground rule&#8221; they made up because they supposedly didn&#8217;t have replay to check where the camera was?<br />
8.Why were the umps in and out in 15 seconds?<br />
9.Where is the video or picture PROOF that this was a home run? Not a guess, the PROOF anywhere on the internet?<br />
10.Why did Gerry Davis say he doesn&#8217;t control what the camerman does with the camera, then proceeds to control the cameraman for Game 4?<br />
11.Why did Gerry Davis say he doesn&#8217;t control what the camerman does with the camera, when he has instant replay to PROVE exactly what the camerman does with the camera?<br />
12.Why was the cameraman in fair territory?<br />
13.Where is the EXACT side angle?<br />
14.Why does the ball drop 8 feet with only 4 feet to go?<br />
15.Why didn&#8217;t the umps move the camera back instead of making up a ground rule?<br />
16.Why are there pictures that show the camera at 3 different lenghts from the top of the fence?</p>
<p>Are you going to answer ALL 15 questions correctly? I don&#8217;t think so. Because its not a home run.  The ball never went over the fence.  There is no PROOF, even to this day. </p>
<p>For starters, try answering question 13 before you think you know where the ball was going. </p>
<p>How about NOT over the fence, how does that sound.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/big-names-top-offseason-wishlist/comment-page-3/#comment-159045</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let what go? First of all I&#039;m not interested in how much money the Yankees spent.  Could care less if they spent 100 billion dollars I never made any statement about that.

The ball isn&#039;t going over the fence plain and simple.    First of all, watch the original replay as it happens in real time.  Before the umps go into the dugout they show a pic of A-Rod over at 2nd base, then they switch quickly to show you a picture what leads you to believe that is the exact same right field camera as it was before the ball was hit.  Watch it on mlb.com.   At 1:46 to 1:47 they show you that pic for just 1 or 2 seconds then immediately change to show you the ump twirling his finger like its a home run.   In that pic at 1:46 to 1:47 the camera is higher above the fence then it was when the ball hit the camera.   

Every other real time video shows that the bottom of the camera is extremely close to the top of the fence.   In fact, the small space between the 1st and 2nd bar at the top of the screen fence is the same space between the bottom of the camera and the top of the fence.   When they switch at 1:46 to 1:47 to show you that pic, before the umps have made their decision, the space between the bottom of the camera and the top of the fence is TWICE what it was when the ball hit the camera, and TWICE what it was in every other real game time video when the ball hit the camera.

Just look at the pic from 1:46 to 1:47 that is NOT how high the camera was over the fence.  It was much closer than that.  

Now take the infamous side angle when Werth retrives the ball.   First of all, it is not an EXACT side angle.  There is NO exact side angle, no picture or video anywhere whatsoever that shows exactly how far out in front of the fence the camera is.   They give you that side angle on the original replay but it is NOT and exact side angle.    

Now on that infamous side angle notice how there is no space between the bottom of the camera and the top of the fence.  Also notice at the 325 mark, how high the ball is over the fence.    Before it hits the camera at the 329 mark, the ball DROPS 8 feet.  The baseball DROPS 8 feet top to bottom with only 4 feet left before it hits the fence, so OBVIOUSLY the ball was dropping and it was much closer to going straight downward than horizontilly.  Also on that side angle, the camera blocks a large portion of the yellow right field foul pole.  If the camera was in foul territory, from NO angle from the left of Werth, would it show the camera blocking any portion of the right field foul pole.  From that angle the camera ALSO blocks the bottom yellow bar of the right field foul pole.   That not only means the camera is in fair territory, it also means that the bottom of the camera is even with the bottom horizontal bar of the yellow right field foul pole.  

When they show you a pic of the camera with nobody in the stands, the bottom of the camera is higher than the bottom bar of the yellow foul pole. When they show you that pic at 1:46 &amp; 1:47 the camera is higher than the bottom bar of the yellow foul pole.  HOWEVER, when the ball actually HIT the camera, the camera is EVEN with the bottom of the foul pole.

In conlusion, there is NO conclusive picture, or video ANYWHERE on the internet which shows that this is 100% a home run.  There is nothing ANYWHERE which proves through video, pictures or trajectory projections that this is a home run.   ABSOLUETELY NO WHERE.  I have found several pictures that supposedly show the right field camera and have seen it in 3 DIFFERENT POSITIONS than where it actually was WHEN THE BALL HIT THE CAMERA.  

Therefore not only is it NOT a home run, there is no proof ANYWHERE which shows why this ball was going over the fence, because it was not.

I&#039;m not interested in salaries, not interested in anything that happened later in the series either.    All I am interested in is the fact that the ball is NOT going over the fence.   That&#039;s all.  

And I&#039;ve read many comments about what people think about the play, and there were a few by Phillies fans who were in right field that night, and they said there was no way for sure of telling where the ball was going to land.    So until there is a picture, video, or something which proves the ball is going over the fence, it isn&#039;t.  Even over 2 weeks after the incident WHERE IS THE PROOF???   

Because there isn&#039;t any proof.  Because the ball didn&#039;t go over the fence.  It still hasn&#039;t gone over the fence, it only traveled 329 feet, not enough for a home run, the sign on the wall says 330, not 329 + a camera.   Sorry NO home run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let what go? First of all I&#8217;m not interested in how much money the Yankees spent.  Could care less if they spent 100 billion dollars I never made any statement about that.</p>
<p>The ball isn&#8217;t going over the fence plain and simple.    First of all, watch the original replay as it happens in real time.  Before the umps go into the dugout they show a pic of A-Rod over at 2nd base, then they switch quickly to show you a picture what leads you to believe that is the exact same right field camera as it was before the ball was hit.  Watch it on mlb.com.   At 1:46 to 1:47 they show you that pic for just 1 or 2 seconds then immediately change to show you the ump twirling his finger like its a home run.   In that pic at 1:46 to 1:47 the camera is higher above the fence then it was when the ball hit the camera.   </p>
<p>Every other real time video shows that the bottom of the camera is extremely close to the top of the fence.   In fact, the small space between the 1st and 2nd bar at the top of the screen fence is the same space between the bottom of the camera and the top of the fence.   When they switch at 1:46 to 1:47 to show you that pic, before the umps have made their decision, the space between the bottom of the camera and the top of the fence is TWICE what it was when the ball hit the camera, and TWICE what it was in every other real game time video when the ball hit the camera.</p>
<p>Just look at the pic from 1:46 to 1:47 that is NOT how high the camera was over the fence.  It was much closer than that.  </p>
<p>Now take the infamous side angle when Werth retrives the ball.   First of all, it is not an EXACT side angle.  There is NO exact side angle, no picture or video anywhere whatsoever that shows exactly how far out in front of the fence the camera is.   They give you that side angle on the original replay but it is NOT and exact side angle.    </p>
<p>Now on that infamous side angle notice how there is no space between the bottom of the camera and the top of the fence.  Also notice at the 325 mark, how high the ball is over the fence.    Before it hits the camera at the 329 mark, the ball DROPS 8 feet.  The baseball DROPS 8 feet top to bottom with only 4 feet left before it hits the fence, so OBVIOUSLY the ball was dropping and it was much closer to going straight downward than horizontilly.  Also on that side angle, the camera blocks a large portion of the yellow right field foul pole.  If the camera was in foul territory, from NO angle from the left of Werth, would it show the camera blocking any portion of the right field foul pole.  From that angle the camera ALSO blocks the bottom yellow bar of the right field foul pole.   That not only means the camera is in fair territory, it also means that the bottom of the camera is even with the bottom horizontal bar of the yellow right field foul pole.  </p>
<p>When they show you a pic of the camera with nobody in the stands, the bottom of the camera is higher than the bottom bar of the yellow foul pole. When they show you that pic at 1:46 &amp; 1:47 the camera is higher than the bottom bar of the yellow foul pole.  HOWEVER, when the ball actually HIT the camera, the camera is EVEN with the bottom of the foul pole.</p>
<p>In conlusion, there is NO conclusive picture, or video ANYWHERE on the internet which shows that this is 100% a home run.  There is nothing ANYWHERE which proves through video, pictures or trajectory projections that this is a home run.   ABSOLUETELY NO WHERE.  I have found several pictures that supposedly show the right field camera and have seen it in 3 DIFFERENT POSITIONS than where it actually was WHEN THE BALL HIT THE CAMERA.  </p>
<p>Therefore not only is it NOT a home run, there is no proof ANYWHERE which shows why this ball was going over the fence, because it was not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not interested in salaries, not interested in anything that happened later in the series either.    All I am interested in is the fact that the ball is NOT going over the fence.   That&#8217;s all.  </p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve read many comments about what people think about the play, and there were a few by Phillies fans who were in right field that night, and they said there was no way for sure of telling where the ball was going to land.    So until there is a picture, video, or something which proves the ball is going over the fence, it isn&#8217;t.  Even over 2 weeks after the incident WHERE IS THE PROOF???   </p>
<p>Because there isn&#8217;t any proof.  Because the ball didn&#8217;t go over the fence.  It still hasn&#8217;t gone over the fence, it only traveled 329 feet, not enough for a home run, the sign on the wall says 330, not 329 + a camera.   Sorry NO home run.</p>
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		<title>By: Haha</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/big-names-top-offseason-wishlist/comment-page-3/#comment-158910</link>
		<dc:creator>Haha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Schmidt, what a crybaby sore loser you are.  A-Rod didnt hit a home run, booo hoo ... the yankees spend so much money ... boo hoo!
You lost, get over it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Schmidt, what a crybaby sore loser you are.  A-Rod didnt hit a home run, booo hoo &#8230; the yankees spend so much money &#8230; boo hoo!<br />
You lost, get over it!</p>
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		<title>By: Don M</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/big-names-top-offseason-wishlist/comment-page-3/#comment-158847</link>
		<dc:creator>Don M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let it go ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let it go &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/big-names-top-offseason-wishlist/comment-page-3/#comment-158842</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A-Rod did NOT hit a Home Run in the 2009 World Series.  This is the information I found: &quot;The camera (seen in the picture below) is less than a foot off from the top of the wall, so the umps didn’t notice that it hit the camera&quot;

If the camera is less than a foot off the top of the wall, how does the ball clear than more than 1 foot?  If it clears less than 1 foot, how is that clearly a home run.   This call was 100% bogus. 

You can see in the picture itself, when it hits the camera it appears to be at most 10-12 inches higher than the wall.   The camera extended onto the field and the ball stopped at the 329 mark, it never went 330 feet.  It wasn&#039;t a home run, plain and simple, its just that nobody wants to admit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A-Rod did NOT hit a Home Run in the 2009 World Series.  This is the information I found: &#8220;The camera (seen in the picture below) is less than a foot off from the top of the wall, so the umps didn’t notice that it hit the camera&#8221;</p>
<p>If the camera is less than a foot off the top of the wall, how does the ball clear than more than 1 foot?  If it clears less than 1 foot, how is that clearly a home run.   This call was 100% bogus. </p>
<p>You can see in the picture itself, when it hits the camera it appears to be at most 10-12 inches higher than the wall.   The camera extended onto the field and the ball stopped at the 329 mark, it never went 330 feet.  It wasn&#8217;t a home run, plain and simple, its just that nobody wants to admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/big-names-top-offseason-wishlist/comment-page-3/#comment-158841</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It didn&#039;t hit the top of the camera lens, it hit the middle.  Haven&#039;t seen one video anywhere of proof that the ball was 100% going out of the ballpark.   Even where it hit on the camera that was barely 1 foot higher than the fence,  so if the camera was onto the field of play anywhere from 8-12 inches, obviously noone knows for sure if the ball was going out. 

Don&#039;t just sit there and say the ball was going out of the park.  Show me the video and show me the proof, because the videos from MLB that day show nothing conclusives.   Show me proof that the ball was going over the fence, not what the media says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It didn&#8217;t hit the top of the camera lens, it hit the middle.  Haven&#8217;t seen one video anywhere of proof that the ball was 100% going out of the ballpark.   Even where it hit on the camera that was barely 1 foot higher than the fence,  so if the camera was onto the field of play anywhere from 8-12 inches, obviously noone knows for sure if the ball was going out. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t just sit there and say the ball was going out of the park.  Show me the video and show me the proof, because the videos from MLB that day show nothing conclusives.   Show me proof that the ball was going over the fence, not what the media says.</p>
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		<title>By: lol @ Mike S</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/big-names-top-offseason-wishlist/comment-page-3/#comment-158342</link>
		<dc:creator>lol @ Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the Yankee payroll is going down while the Phillie payroll is going up and will be top 5 in the league next year.  If they get a big name it will easily be in the $140 million range while the Yankees will be back under $200 milllion.  

One poster wrote that he would like to see the Yankees payroll after &quot;luxury payoffs&quot;...ummmm how does that make the payroll go up?  Are you talking about luxury tax or bonuses?

Any Phillies fans here complain about payroll when theirs was $70 or $80 million more than the Rays in 2008?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the Yankee payroll is going down while the Phillie payroll is going up and will be top 5 in the league next year.  If they get a big name it will easily be in the $140 million range while the Yankees will be back under $200 milllion.  </p>
<p>One poster wrote that he would like to see the Yankees payroll after &#8220;luxury payoffs&#8221;&#8230;ummmm how does that make the payroll go up?  Are you talking about luxury tax or bonuses?</p>
<p>Any Phillies fans here complain about payroll when theirs was $70 or $80 million more than the Rays in 2008?</p>
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		<title>By: lol @ Mike S</title>
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		<dc:creator>lol @ Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How was the A-Rod homerun controversial?  It hit the camera at the top of the lense and would have gone out PLUS the umps decided before the game that it would be a homerun if the ball hit it.  That&#039;s why it didn&#039;t take long for them to review.  Do you really think the Yankees won because of balls and strikes calls? 

I feel bad that you watch baseball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How was the A-Rod homerun controversial?  It hit the camera at the top of the lense and would have gone out PLUS the umps decided before the game that it would be a homerun if the ball hit it.  That&#8217;s why it didn&#8217;t take long for them to review.  Do you really think the Yankees won because of balls and strikes calls? </p>
<p>I feel bad that you watch baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry, but how can Hamels even be considered a top of the rotation starter?  Yes, he was great in 2008 but that is no guarantee that he can ever be that guy again.  On top of that, his attitude is sickening.  The fact that Hamels was even being considered for a game 7 start is ridiculous but I understand loyalty to a guy who did it last year regardless of current performance.  Additionally, Happ will never be good enough to satisfy philly which is irritating but I will stick up for him as he has great potential and will be around more than a year, which Halliday may not.  I will be a fan of whatever team Happ is on so I am fine either way</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, but how can Hamels even be considered a top of the rotation starter?  Yes, he was great in 2008 but that is no guarantee that he can ever be that guy again.  On top of that, his attitude is sickening.  The fact that Hamels was even being considered for a game 7 start is ridiculous but I understand loyalty to a guy who did it last year regardless of current performance.  Additionally, Happ will never be good enough to satisfy philly which is irritating but I will stick up for him as he has great potential and will be around more than a year, which Halliday may not.  I will be a fan of whatever team Happ is on so I am fine either way</p>
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