Comments on: Odds And Ends: Lee’s Option Picked Up http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/odds-and-ends-lees-option-picked-up/ More than a blog Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:14:04 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: joedad http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/odds-and-ends-lees-option-picked-up/comment-page-2/#comment-157807 joedad Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:00:12 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10011#comment-157807 Check out Uggla's defensive 3B stats in the monors, horrible: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=uggla-001dan Check out Uggla’s defensive 3B stats in the monors, horrible:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=uggla-001dan

]]> By: psujoe http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/odds-and-ends-lees-option-picked-up/comment-page-2/#comment-157800 psujoe Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:44:56 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10011#comment-157800 Good points Joedad. They actually think Uggla can improve his fielding by moving to third. I wouldn't mind another 30 homer guy, but he strikes out a lot. I'm not sold on Beltre or Mora either. Good points Joedad.

They actually think Uggla can improve his fielding by moving to third. I wouldn’t mind another 30 homer guy, but he strikes out a lot. I’m not sold on Beltre or Mora either.

]]> By: joedad http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/odds-and-ends-lees-option-picked-up/comment-page-2/#comment-157799 joedad Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:42:16 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10011#comment-157799 psujoe, Amaro said the same thing last year and then went out and signed Raul and traded for Lee, both significant increases in salary. If you walk into a showroom and announce that you plan on spending x dollars, it gives you that much less leverage when you go out and buy, IMO. Uggla is not a 3rd baseman and is actually a below average fielding 2nd baseman. Maybe they meant Cantu?? psujoe, Amaro said the same thing last year and then went out and signed Raul and traded for Lee, both significant increases in salary. If you walk into a showroom and announce that you plan on spending x dollars, it gives you that much less leverage when you go out and buy, IMO.

Uggla is not a 3rd baseman and is actually a below average fielding 2nd baseman. Maybe they meant Cantu??

]]> By: psujoe http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/odds-and-ends-lees-option-picked-up/comment-page-2/#comment-157798 psujoe Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:10:51 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10011#comment-157798 Phillies declined Feliz' 5.5 million option. MLBTraderumors is suggesting they may be looking at Beltre or Uggla. Nothing firm. Phillies declined Feliz’ 5.5 million option. MLBTraderumors is suggesting they may be looking at Beltre or Uggla. Nothing firm.

]]> By: psujoe http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/odds-and-ends-lees-option-picked-up/comment-page-2/#comment-157782 psujoe Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:51:36 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10011#comment-157782 Amaro said he expects the payroll to stay the same. Also sid it will be highly unlikely we'll be going after a top tier starter. Not good news in my opinion. Amaro said he expects the payroll to stay the same. Also sid it will be highly unlikely we’ll be going after a top tier starter. Not good news in my opinion.

]]> By: Geoff http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/odds-and-ends-lees-option-picked-up/comment-page-2/#comment-157780 Geoff Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:26:18 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10011#comment-157780 Lets put it this way: ID rather give Randy Wolf another chance than to send Moyer or Kendrick out there as the 5th guy. And I dont want to see Wolf come here either, so that gives you an idea how little I think of this notion to rely on Moyer even to be a bad 5th starter. Kendrick to the pen. Soriano had a down year, he wont cost that much.. Lets put it this way: ID rather give Randy Wolf another chance than to send Moyer or Kendrick out there as the 5th guy. And I dont want to see Wolf come here either, so that gives you an idea how little I think of this notion to rely on Moyer even to be a bad 5th starter. Kendrick to the pen. Soriano had a down year, he wont cost that much..

]]> By: psujoe http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/odds-and-ends-lees-option-picked-up/comment-page-2/#comment-157778 psujoe Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:37:51 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10011#comment-157778 Starting pitching depth is fine for the regular season, but Charlie was reluctant to throw Blantan or Happ. IMO, you need 3 top tier starters for the playoffs. It's not something I'd mortgage the farm for, but if we could get a guy like Pineiro or Harden I'm in. Cole should be fine. As much as everyone says he was figured out, I don't think that tells the whole story. His arm was tired. How he bounces back should be interesting. These numbers don't lie. Pitch Count/Opp BA/Opp OPS 01-25/.243/.702 26-50/.236/.632 51-75/.328/.906 76-100/.300/.800 Starting pitching depth is fine for the regular season, but Charlie was reluctant to throw Blantan or Happ. IMO, you need 3 top tier starters for the playoffs. It’s not something I’d mortgage the farm for, but if we could get a guy like Pineiro or Harden I’m in.

Cole should be fine. As much as everyone says he was figured out, I don’t think that tells the whole story. His arm was tired. How he bounces back should be interesting. These numbers don’t lie.

Pitch Count/Opp BA/Opp OPS
01-25/.243/.702
26-50/.236/.632
51-75/.328/.906
76-100/.300/.800

]]> By: Havoc http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/odds-and-ends-lees-option-picked-up/comment-page-2/#comment-157771 Havoc Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:21:38 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10011#comment-157771 I tend to agree on some of that. I don't like the idea of Beltre at all. The 4 lefties thing does concern me. Of course if Moyer retires I'm comfortable with giving Kendrick the opportunity. He looked pretty good in September and if he's got the change up working now he could be a decent starter. As far as the Drabek thing, I really doubt that he gets into the rotation until 2011. He'd have to be pitching out of this world and the Phils have an injury or something. I'm comfortable with the rotation as it is since we do have some pitching depth in the minors, I'd much rather see them upgrade at the bullpen, bench, and IF they can get Figgins 3B. I'd love to see them do all that and go out and snag another starter, but other than Lackey there really isn't anyone who impresses me. If Moyer retires or is cut I guess they could take a shot at Harden or Sheets sort of a buy low hope for the best 5th starter. I tend to agree on some of that. I don’t like the idea of Beltre at all.

The 4 lefties thing does concern me. Of course if Moyer retires I’m comfortable with giving Kendrick the opportunity. He looked pretty good in September and if he’s got the change up working now he could be a decent starter. As far as the Drabek thing, I really doubt that he gets into the rotation until 2011. He’d have to be pitching out of this world and the Phils have an injury or something. I’m comfortable with the rotation as it is since we do have some pitching depth in the minors, I’d much rather see them upgrade at the bullpen, bench, and IF they can get Figgins 3B. I’d love to see them do all that and go out and snag another starter, but other than Lackey there really isn’t anyone who impresses me. If Moyer retires or is cut I guess they could take a shot at Harden or Sheets sort of a buy low hope for the best 5th starter.

]]> By: Geoff http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/odds-and-ends-lees-option-picked-up/comment-page-2/#comment-157763 Geoff Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:01:00 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10011#comment-157763 I dunno, I think just assuming that Moyer or Kendrick should hold down the spot until Drabek is ready is being presumptuous. Nothing wrong with Drabek, but you should make him push his way into the spot, not just hand it to him - that way he wont feel entitled when he gets here. THey will not start the season with 4 left handed pitchers in the rotation, they only did that for a few weeks when everyone was hurt. I would expect Moyer to be in the pen with Kendrick taking the 5th spot. I do not believe you can magically assume Cole Hamels will be ace material again. Sometimes it takes these guys a while to get that back. Also, I think his real quality as a pitcher is somewhere in between 2008 playoffs and this season. I dont think he is really as good as he was in that run, but hes nowhere near as bad as he was this year. He really needs to develop another pitch because hitters have DEFINITELY figured him out. Its really not hard to see, they just sit on his changeup and fould it off. He should be treated as a 3 right now and they should really go and get someone on the trade market who can fill the 2 role - if only on the last year of a contract. Let Hamels be in a situation where he isnt in the limelight all season long so he can work out his issues in relative silence compared to this season. You dont just trade 25 year olds with ace potential, so you really cant do that. They will sign a backup option for Lidge, you can pretty much guarantee that. As far as 3B goes, it really seems like Beltre was juicing that one year, Id stay far away from him. It go for Figgins. For that other starter, they could overpay for a Joel Piniero type, but I doubt theyd throw all that money at Lackey. If any of the OF's will be traded, it will be Shane Victorino. Ibanez has two more years left. Werth just one. Taylor is ready now pending recovery from sports hernia surgery. If you trade Victorino for pitching, then that leaves Taylor, Werth, and Ibanez. Werth walks in 2010 as a FA, by then Brown is ready. So you have Ibanez, Brown (faster than Victorino), Taylor. Then when Ibanez walks you go with a FA or another up and coming prospect. The team is about to get a bit younger in the coming years, which would extend the run of the infield core is the right pieces are around them again. Kendrick is not the type of RH ground ball pitcher they really need. Thats no different than throwing Moyer out there. Kendrick would be better off chewing up innings out of the bullpen. Moyer would be better off retiring. I dunno, I think just assuming that Moyer or Kendrick should hold down the spot until Drabek is ready is being presumptuous. Nothing wrong with Drabek, but you should make him push his way into the spot, not just hand it to him – that way he wont feel entitled when he gets here. THey will not start the season with 4 left handed pitchers in the rotation, they only did that for a few weeks when everyone was hurt. I would expect Moyer to be in the pen with Kendrick taking the 5th spot.

I do not believe you can magically assume Cole Hamels will be ace material again. Sometimes it takes these guys a while to get that back. Also, I think his real quality as a pitcher is somewhere in between 2008 playoffs and this season. I dont think he is really as good as he was in that run, but hes nowhere near as bad as he was this year. He really needs to develop another pitch because hitters have DEFINITELY figured him out. Its really not hard to see, they just sit on his changeup and fould it off. He should be treated as a 3 right now and they should really go and get someone on the trade market who can fill the 2 role – if only on the last year of a contract. Let Hamels be in a situation where he isnt in the limelight all season long so he can work out his issues in relative silence compared to this season. You dont just trade 25 year olds with ace potential, so you really cant do that.

They will sign a backup option for Lidge, you can pretty much guarantee that. As far as 3B goes, it really seems like Beltre was juicing that one year, Id stay far away from him. It go for Figgins. For that other starter, they could overpay for a Joel Piniero type, but I doubt theyd throw all that money at Lackey.

If any of the OF’s will be traded, it will be Shane Victorino. Ibanez has two more years left. Werth just one. Taylor is ready now pending recovery from sports hernia surgery. If you trade Victorino for pitching, then that leaves Taylor, Werth, and Ibanez. Werth walks in 2010 as a FA, by then Brown is ready. So you have Ibanez, Brown (faster than Victorino), Taylor. Then when Ibanez walks you go with a FA or another up and coming prospect.

The team is about to get a bit younger in the coming years, which would extend the run of the infield core is the right pieces are around them again.

Kendrick is not the type of RH ground ball pitcher they really need. Thats no different than throwing Moyer out there. Kendrick would be better off chewing up innings out of the bullpen. Moyer would be better off retiring.

]]> By: Havoc http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/odds-and-ends-lees-option-picked-up/comment-page-2/#comment-157755 Havoc Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:18:09 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=10011#comment-157755 I'd tend to agree J, but I think the Phils will have Moyer start the year to see if he summons up the magic for one more year. I’d tend to agree J, but I think the Phils will have Moyer start the year to see if he summons up the magic for one more year.

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