Comments on: Year in Review: Jamie Moyer

By: Year In Review: The Bullpen | Phillies Nation

Year In Review: The Bullpen | Phillies Nation — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:38:18 +0000

[...] later. The bullpen had other important arms, such as Scott Eyre, Chan Ho Park, Brett Myers, and Jamie Moyer, Clay Condrey and Chad Durbin, who were reviewed earlier. Tyler Walker, Sergio Escalona, Antoino [...]

By: Brian of CO

Brian of CO — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:49:11 +0000

Pat, I saw the next post about giving Blanton a 6.1 after I posted that, my bad. I agree that Moyer is supposed to an “average” pitcher. My point was not to say Moyer had a good or great year, but personall I think between a 4 or 5 is about right. I dont thing 4 is too far off. My point is more curiousity of Hamels. I have been one of the VERY few who was critical of Hamels, and didnt give him a free pass. Like another said, he wasnt too far off when he should have been, unlike Hamels and Lidge. Moyer is supposed to be an average pitcher, and we wasnt to far off of being average. Hamels is supposed to be an ace, and he was FAR worse. Lidge was supposed to be a premier closer (not expected to be perfect again, but not a 7+ ERA) and he beyond bad. I am curious of those two rankings. All I was saying is what you just pointed out. You have to look at things and what they are expected to be. Moyer was expected to be an average pitcher, he was slightly below average overall. Blanton was supposed to be average, and just as you changed it, it was above average, Hamels was supposed to be an Ace, or WELL above average, and we was below average, Lidge…Nuff said. Personally, and I know Hamels and Lidge arent out yet, but I would rank them as Blanton 6.1 exactly as you said, Moyer closer about 4.5, not too far off, Hamels 3 to 3.5 and Lidge about 2. I wasnt saying you were far off. The only one I thought was pretty far off was the comment about giving him a 2 but bumping it to 4 for respect. LOL.

By: Pat Gallen

Pat Gallen — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:07:56 +0000

Brian, I will be critical of Hamels, believe me. You’re right I was overcritical of Blanton, I said in another post he desereved a little better, although he was VERY good for 2 months, and average or below average the rest of the time.

I’m not sure I follow why Moyers “4″ was completely off. He deserved a grade a little lower, but you have to look at it as, he’s not expected to be a 16 game winner. He’s an average pitcher, and he pitched below what his “average” should be. I thought a 4 was proper. Maybe a 3.5 for Moyer.

By: Brian of CO

Brian of CO — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:33:31 +0000

Pat you “didnt want to be rude and give him a 2. That’s showing little respect for the guy who has done so much in his career and in his short time here. I thought a 4 was proper.” Hmm, now I am VERY interested to see what you will give Princess (Hamels). Everyone on here knows you were overly critical of the 5th (FIFTH) starter in 2009, and barely critical at all of the pitcher who was supposed to be our ACE! I mean Blanton was one of the most consistent starters, and you gave him a 5.8 out of 10 (4.05 ERA with a 12-8 record, giving up 4 or more runs in 9 games) I can only imagine what you will give Hamels. I am sure you will give Hamels above a 5 because everyone knows he is your favorite, but really, if Hamels gets anything above a 4, you need to check you math. Considering Hamels ended with a 10-11 record, giving up 4 or more runs in 13 “count ‘em, 13 times. Yeeesh. ” thats the same number as Moyer, and Hamels had only 7 more starts, with only 31.2 more innings than Moyer. Is that to say Moyer had a good year, NO. However, the point it, you are looking at a #5 starter who had SIMILAR stats (only slightly worse) than who was supposed to be the ACE. I think you need to look at position in the rotation. I dont think a 4 is far off, I think a 5 is more fitting considering he was supposed to be that 5th starter, I think I probably would have given Blanton a solid 6 instead of short changing him, and when Hamels comes up considering he was supposed to be the Ace, I would give him a 3. You assessment of giving Moyer only a 2, but giving him a 4 because you wanted to show “respect” was completely off.

By: Tracey

Tracey — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:19:23 +0000

I like Moyer a lot, and he certainly deserves a chance in Clearwater, but it remains to be seen whether he’s still got it. I didn’t think he was bad this year, certainly not when compared to the disappointment of Hamels and Lidge, but I know I’m in the minority. I definitely like the idea of him as a coach, though, because he so clearly enjoys giving the younger pitchers advice, and he seems to be good at it.

By: Pat Gallen

Pat Gallen — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:44:23 +0000

Now that I think of it, I guess I regret not giving Joe a bit of a higher tally. Maybe 6.1. Let’s call it 6.1 for Big Joe!

By: Georgie

Georgie — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:38:44 +0000

I probably would give him a 5 because for the most part , he did what he was asked to do, especially after moving to the pen. He bailed us out a couple of times late in the season, and although I won’t argue with a 4, I’d give him a 5, if just for the fact that I’m a member of the Jamie Moyer fanclub on fb.

By: BDPhils

BDPhils — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:50:13 +0000

Good article, although I think 4 is a little harsh.

The W-L stat is not really relevant as far as I’m concerned, although others would disagree.

Moyer deserves a shot in Clearwater, although if he pitches like he did is Spring Training last year I can’t see him making the roster. It took him a little while to get going in the regular season if I remember correctly.

Either way, it was great to have him in Philly. Who knows, maybe he brings back the magic for one more year!

By: Dave

Dave — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:44:07 +0000

I’d say a 4 was a fair rating, given that Blanton wasn’t even given a 6 and he was downright nasty for a good potion of the season.

By: The Original Chuck P

The Original Chuck P — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:03:14 +0000

I’m a Moyer supporter… so many people bash him because he’s old and doesn’t throw hard. I say, “So what?” The guy legitimately won 12 games… if you look at the game logs, there are only two games that he won which he should not have won. Yes, winning is a team stat but Moyer put our team in the position to win games. He wasn’t great but he wasn’t terrible as a 5th starter. Fourteen appearances of 6 ip and 4 ER or less… I would say that his sub 5 ERA is not misleading… the only reason it’s “misleading” is because you feel like it should be higher.

Ruben made the right move by going out and getting Pedro Martinez; they needed a spark heading into the postseason but Jamie was serviceable during the regular season.

I’m not sure if he’ll be able to give us anything next year but he’s going to try, that’s for sure. Hopefully, he finds the wizardry that he manufactured in 2008. If he does not rebound from this surgery, I hope that he is true to himself and his team… hang em up.