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		<title>By: 2010 WF FIGHTINS'</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/year-in-review-pedro-feliz/comment-page-2/#comment-158319</link>
		<dc:creator>2010 WF FIGHTINS'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got a point there Don. I do notice that a lot of pitchers that pitch in the WS have declined the following season. Look at the Rays rotation last year and ours for that matter. That&#039;s why I think Ruben has to all he can to get Doc. Although I do think Lee&#039;s work ethic/hunger for a ring will make that unlikely. Forget about Figgins/DeRosa. Go get the Doc and the 2009 WS will be all but forgotten. Just like when the Eagles signed T.O. (minus the drama).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got a point there Don. I do notice that a lot of pitchers that pitch in the WS have declined the following season. Look at the Rays rotation last year and ours for that matter. That&#8217;s why I think Ruben has to all he can to get Doc. Although I do think Lee&#8217;s work ethic/hunger for a ring will make that unlikely. Forget about Figgins/DeRosa. Go get the Doc and the 2009 WS will be all but forgotten. Just like when the Eagles signed T.O. (minus the drama).</p>
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		<title>By: Don M</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/year-in-review-pedro-feliz/comment-page-2/#comment-158312</link>
		<dc:creator>Don M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Lee passed his career Innings Pitched total by a good margin.. with extra playoff innings.. there is a good chance that he won&#039;t be as good next year as he was this year

Hamels, should be better with extra rest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Lee passed his career Innings Pitched total by a good margin.. with extra playoff innings.. there is a good chance that he won&#8217;t be as good next year as he was this year</p>
<p>Hamels, should be better with extra rest</p>
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		<title>By: Brian of CO</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/year-in-review-pedro-feliz/comment-page-2/#comment-158311</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian of CO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cole NEEDS to go back to his 08 form.  He can NOT pitch like he did in 09.  Having said that, the start of the 2010 season is a clean slate.  Now if we were able to get Doc Halladay along with Lee, Hamels Blanton and Happ with Pedro Martinez for spot starts IF they can get Pedro M at a BARGAIN price.  Thats a nice pitching staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cole NEEDS to go back to his 08 form.  He can NOT pitch like he did in 09.  Having said that, the start of the 2010 season is a clean slate.  Now if we were able to get Doc Halladay along with Lee, Hamels Blanton and Happ with Pedro Martinez for spot starts IF they can get Pedro M at a BARGAIN price.  Thats a nice pitching staff.</p>
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		<title>By: 2010 WF Fightins'</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/year-in-review-pedro-feliz/comment-page-2/#comment-158310</link>
		<dc:creator>2010 WF Fightins'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruben sign Feliz for about 3mill(He did get the series winning hit in the &#039;08 WS). Then go for broke and go get Doc Halladay. They say Boston will put together the best offer, but so what.

1. Doc Halladay 2. Lee 3. Cole &quot;Please don&#039;t call me soft while I&#039;m breast feeding  my baby.&quot; Hamels(I&#039;m giving him 1 more chance) 4. Blanton(inngs eater and proud former Happy Meals eating contest Champion as well) 5. Happ(protects his young arm but could easily be #3) . Tell me who&#039;s going f*ck with staff??

As long as Werth/Vic don&#039;t backside this O will be fine. And if we can get J-Roll to publicly predict that he&#039;ll hit .400avg w/125 steals/ob% of .420/5 pitch abs in 2010 then maybe he&#039;ll hit .295avg/45 steals/.380 ob%/4 pitch abs.

J-Roll is the key obviously. He gets going and the O will remain expl. I agree that Derosa would be ideal. Figgins has the potential to be a G. Jefferies like signing. Never lived up to the huge contract he got. Remember that  $%$#%*##? Yeah.... Exactly......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruben sign Feliz for about 3mill(He did get the series winning hit in the &#8216;08 WS). Then go for broke and go get Doc Halladay. They say Boston will put together the best offer, but so what.</p>
<p>1. Doc Halladay 2. Lee 3. Cole &#8220;Please don&#8217;t call me soft while I&#8217;m breast feeding  my baby.&#8221; Hamels(I&#8217;m giving him 1 more chance) 4. Blanton(inngs eater and proud former Happy Meals eating contest Champion as well) 5. Happ(protects his young arm but could easily be #3) . Tell me who&#8217;s going f*ck with staff??</p>
<p>As long as Werth/Vic don&#8217;t backside this O will be fine. And if we can get J-Roll to publicly predict that he&#8217;ll hit .400avg w/125 steals/ob% of .420/5 pitch abs in 2010 then maybe he&#8217;ll hit .295avg/45 steals/.380 ob%/4 pitch abs.</p>
<p>J-Roll is the key obviously. He gets going and the O will remain expl. I agree that Derosa would be ideal. Figgins has the potential to be a G. Jefferies like signing. Never lived up to the huge contract he got. Remember that  $%$#%*##? Yeah&#8230;. Exactly&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Don M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The knock on Pedro is his lack of RANGE .. but when you have a Gold Glove SS next to him, with plenty of range, and plenty of arm .. its less of an issue (Rollins, last year more than ever before, seemed a little OFF going to his backhand) ..

But Pedro Feliz has some of the surest hands.. and probably THE most accurate arm in the NL .. rankings, etc.. you can lie with any statistics that you want

but anyone that watches a lot of baseball knows the Feliz is above-average Defensively .. 


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I wouldn&#039;t pay 3/18 for DeRosa, NOR would I pat 5/50 for Chone Figgins</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The knock on Pedro is his lack of RANGE .. but when you have a Gold Glove SS next to him, with plenty of range, and plenty of arm .. its less of an issue (Rollins, last year more than ever before, seemed a little OFF going to his backhand) ..</p>
<p>But Pedro Feliz has some of the surest hands.. and probably THE most accurate arm in the NL .. rankings, etc.. you can lie with any statistics that you want</p>
<p>but anyone that watches a lot of baseball knows the Feliz is above-average Defensively .. </p>
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I wouldn&#8217;t pay 3/18 for DeRosa, NOR would I pat 5/50 for Chone Figgins</p>
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		<title>By: Brian of CO</title>
		<link>http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/year-in-review-pedro-feliz/comment-page-2/#comment-158308</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian of CO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reading the article and some of the comments are funny.  Feliz is definately not the best at his position, but some of &quot;The Fielding Bible&quot; seem to have stats created simply to help or hurt an analysts case towards a player.  For instance The Fielding Bible &quot;represents the number of plays a player made above or below the number that an average fielder would make.&quot;  Is it really possible to say as a FACT that the +/- is a great number to go by?  To mean it almost sounds like picking the Dodgers over the Phillies in the NLCS simply because the Dodgers had home field advantage, and a better regular season record without letting them play the games because of the &quot;averages&quot;.  Unless the description of The Fielding Bible was worded poorly, it was worded to say an average 3rd basemen would or would not have plade a particular play.  I just dont think thats a great &quot;stat&quot;.  Look at Utley in the NLCS.  95 maybe even 99% of the time he would make those throws, but in those times he didnt, so the Fielding Bible would knock him down because average players would do it.  It seems to be the Fielding Bible doesnt take into account strengths or weaknesses.  There are some plays I would argue that a Feliz has made quite often which Average players could NOT have made, and in the same token, there are quite a few plays Feliz did NOT make which an average player COULD have made.  Granted some of skeptisism is from plain old ignorrance of the ins and outs of The Fielding Bible, but the way it was described made it seem like a set of &quot;stats&quot; that were created out of the blue without actually using what actually happened in the season (i.e. # of errors, or fielding %) and using theoretical type of &quot;what if&#039;s&quot;.  I would NOT argue that Feliz is &quot;awesome&quot; or anything, but unless it a CLEAR upgrade in all respects, I think its better to try to get a lower contract.  I mean Pedro is no Mike Schmidt, but he is very acceptable unless we can get a CLEAR CUT upgrade at a decent price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reading the article and some of the comments are funny.  Feliz is definately not the best at his position, but some of &#8220;The Fielding Bible&#8221; seem to have stats created simply to help or hurt an analysts case towards a player.  For instance The Fielding Bible &#8220;represents the number of plays a player made above or below the number that an average fielder would make.&#8221;  Is it really possible to say as a FACT that the +/- is a great number to go by?  To mean it almost sounds like picking the Dodgers over the Phillies in the NLCS simply because the Dodgers had home field advantage, and a better regular season record without letting them play the games because of the &#8220;averages&#8221;.  Unless the description of The Fielding Bible was worded poorly, it was worded to say an average 3rd basemen would or would not have plade a particular play.  I just dont think thats a great &#8220;stat&#8221;.  Look at Utley in the NLCS.  95 maybe even 99% of the time he would make those throws, but in those times he didnt, so the Fielding Bible would knock him down because average players would do it.  It seems to be the Fielding Bible doesnt take into account strengths or weaknesses.  There are some plays I would argue that a Feliz has made quite often which Average players could NOT have made, and in the same token, there are quite a few plays Feliz did NOT make which an average player COULD have made.  Granted some of skeptisism is from plain old ignorrance of the ins and outs of The Fielding Bible, but the way it was described made it seem like a set of &#8220;stats&#8221; that were created out of the blue without actually using what actually happened in the season (i.e. # of errors, or fielding %) and using theoretical type of &#8220;what if&#8217;s&#8221;.  I would NOT argue that Feliz is &#8220;awesome&#8221; or anything, but unless it a CLEAR upgrade in all respects, I think its better to try to get a lower contract.  I mean Pedro is no Mike Schmidt, but he is very acceptable unless we can get a CLEAR CUT upgrade at a decent price.</p>
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		<title>By: psujoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>psujoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction.  3/18, 5/50.</description>
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		<title>By: psujoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>psujoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d take Derosa for 3/18 over figgins 5/10.</description>
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		<title>By: Ed R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction, thats Yadier Molina for Gold Glove, not Benji...wrong Molina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction, thats Yadier Molina for Gold Glove, not Benji&#8230;wrong Molina.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assure you, if Beltre signed here he would be a power upgrade over Feliz. As well as a fielding upgrade. But it might end there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assure you, if Beltre signed here he would be a power upgrade over Feliz. As well as a fielding upgrade. But it might end there.</p>
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