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1. Havoc Says:
   December 11th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

   Assuming that there won’t be a trade for Halladay, maybe we should look into acquiring Sherrill from the Dodgers. If we got him he’d take care of our needs from the left side, and provide a back up late inning/closer guy. Then we can do our best to bring back Chan Ho or go with an internal solution like Mathieson in spring training.

2. Dudley Monk Says:
   December 11th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

   kelvim Escobar has been a reliever and starter with success. He is 33 had coming off an injury and we may be looking at a diamond in the rough for a bargain. Octavio Dotel has been a closer and can throw hard. Ron Mahay looks like a decent situational lefty. It scares me when an old reliever is on the fence about retiring. It doesn’t sound like a good bet regarding Eyre. I say let Chan Ho and Eyre walk and go for Dotel, Escobar and Mahey.

3. Dudley Monk Says:
   December 11th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

   Kevin Correia was excellent for the Padres last year after the Peavy trade. In fact he was their top starter after Peavy was traded. He will be 30 and last year was by far his best season. San Diego offered $1.1 million and he turned it down. He could be a decent starter and a bargain. He was a 12 game winner last year with an ERA of about 3.90.
   He may be worth a look.

4. Manny Says:
   December 11th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

   We missed this one. 3 million for Putz is a good deal, and we could’ve also offered those other 3 million in incentives for finishing games (with Putz having Lidge’s 2008 collapse in the back of his mind).

   After Lyon getting 5 million guaranteed annually (oh and for THREE years), this Putz deal is a great one for the White Sox. Wish we would’ve signed him.

5. Johnny Snowden Says:
   December 11th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

   For some reason, reading this post made Terry Adams pop in my head … and how much he sucked … and kinda how we might end up having to shove somebody like that in our pen because Amaro’s wasting time staring at the puppy, i mean Halladay, in the window.

   Don’t get me wrong, 2 cy young winners and an “almost” is gonna be maybe the best 1-2-3 around. But something about Lidge’s problems, JC’s health, moyer giving it one more try … again, having no idea whats going to come out of kendrick … screw it. you guys know what im sayin. save a ton of runs in the first 6 ot 7 just to give em up in the 8th or 9th … i dunno. we got starters … we need a bullpen damnit.

6. Rdavis Says:
   December 11th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

   Agreed. Amaro is waiting to for the last filet mignon while all the sirloins are being served. In the end he’s gonna have to settle for a hamburger from White Castle.

7. Ken Davis Says:
   December 11th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

   What is Jr. Doing. Stop worrying about Doc. We will not get him. We do need another solid starter and alot of bullpen help. Get off your ass and sign someone. You wont win with this pathetic bullpen and starters. Hamels, Happ, Blanton, MOyer pLEASE

8. Jesus Says:
   December 11th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

   Dudley Monk, I am 100% with you! I have been screaming Correia’s name since I first read that the Pads were thinking of non-tendering him. I really think we could get him for under 3mill and he would be a perfect option for a 5th starter here. A rotation of Lee, Hamels, Blanton, Happ and Correia is pretty good. Obviously, this is assuming we don’t get Halladay. I really hope the Phils at least make an offer to Correia after tomorrow’s non-tender deadline.

9. Matt Says:
   December 11th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

   There’s a chance that the White Sox will non-tender DJ Carrasco, and if so, I like him…

   Also, Kevin Correia is a big possibility. He’ll either be a non-tender or will be traded. With the possibility of trading either JA Happ or Joe Blanton, or both, I think he’d be a good fit for a good price.

10. Dudley Monk Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Forget about Roy Halladay….what about Justin Verlander. Offer Happ, Kendrick, Taylor and Bastardo. Or, I would also consider offering Hamels instead of Happ. Any thoughts or am I dreaming in my coffee?
    We could also offer Blanton and pay half of his salary. Verlander is a stud and only 27. I have been known to full of baloney sometimes.

11. Matt Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Why the hell would you think about swapping Happ out and putting in Hamels? Everyone has sold him down the river, it’s ridiculous. No way you trade Hamels like that.

12. Manny Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Hamels is going NOWHERE. He’s got ace-stuff, is 25, proven pitcher, under a good contract.

    Oh and he loves Philly, too (despite what everyone always say that he just wants the money and go back to California…. all gossip).

13. Don M Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Why would the Tigers ever think about trading Verlander??

    Happ is a #4-#5 starter in the AL

    Taylor is unproven

    Kendrick would pitch in AAA for an AL team

    and Bastardo would MAYBE get to play AAA, only because he’s a Lefty

14. Jesus Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Matt, good point about Carrasco. I can’t believe they are going to just let him go. He is a groundball machine, the only thing that scares me about him is that he threw over 90 innings, but I would still like to see him in our pen. How much could he possibly cost? It’s technically his first year of arb.

15. karen Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    I don’t know. It seems that there are problems somewhere with the phillies. They desperately need to resign some guys or make a trade. i will leave my support of happ out of this msg, but amaro has done nothing thus far except to deny halliday love

16. Brooks Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Pat, any reason to leave Betancourt off your list?

17. Matt Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    Yeah, I can’t imagine Carrasco being a non-tender, but it’s a possibility. Good point about the innings, but it was through 49 appearances so it’s not as bad as it seems, at least to me…

18. karen Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    The fascination with hamels is sickening. He is not an ace, he has not proven that he is that top starter. Proof would have to include some teamwork and dedication…..you arent having a temper tantrum in toronto after charlie takes you out or in la for the nlcs. Happ has been thrown out as the person everyone in philly loves to trade. Without giving him any chance at actually develop into a solid starter. He admits to having work to do but he is dedicated to doing that work and to getting better. hamels? he would rather do something else than practice. How many postseason wins did he get this year?

19. Johnny Snowden Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    i freakkin hate the winter.

20. Dudley Monk Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Folks, I do not believe that Hamels is all that good. He falls apart consistently in the fourth to sixth inning — just like Brett Myers. I hope he can right the ship, but I really do have my doubts. I don’t believe he is tough enough to be a top starter. I hope I am wrong.

21. The Dipsy Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    Cole Hamels will not be a legit #1 or #2 until he gets a third pitch. The book is out on him. While his change is devestating, he fastball is merely pedestrian. Its not that fast and it doesn’t move. His curveball is slop because its speed is too close the speed of his change, comes in loopy, and it throws NOBODY off. he can’t even throw it in a an “Oh, by the way, don’t forget I have a curveball” kinda way. This is a man that needs a cutter in a big way, or at least a baby slider. Someone said that he can’t throw a tight curve because of a forearm injury from his younger days. Whatever it is, the hitters have adjusted and he has to readjust. Back to the lab and get rid of that lisp.

    The Dipsy

22. Don M Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    If Cole Hamels isn’t an ACE … how the hell did he manage to look like one for 5 games in the 2008 Playoffs ????

    He had a down year last year.. time to relax people.. he hasn’t even hit his prime yet, and you’re all ready to ship him out of town

    FRONT RUNNING BASTARDS

23. Matt Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Hamels and Happ are completely different. Hamels is the kind of pitcher who can turn in to a solid ace. Happ has a much lower ceiling, and he’ll never be more than a #3 guy. Look at his numbers, he was really lucky this year. Hamels was very unlucky.

    And Karen, how many postseason wins did Hamels have in 08? Clearly Hamels does practice and train, he wouldn’t be where he is now if he didn’t. He even admitted, after the WS MVP, he was all over doing all kinds of media things and didn’t dedicate the time he should have to training. And, factor in the ridiculous number of innings Hamels pitched in 08. After the 08 season, it was pretty obvious that he wasn’t going to be 100% in 09 due to his workload in the 08 season.

24. Matt Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    @Don M-Agreed completely.

25. Dudley Monk Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    DON M>>>>Nobody wants to ship him out without getting something significant in return. Let’s not cry over a simple disagreement and start name calling. Time for a chill pill. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Personally, I hope I am wrong in not getting on the Cole Hamels Fan Wagon. But just as he was wonderful in 2008, he was less than stellar last year — far, far from being an ace.

26. Chuck Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    Yeah, Dudley….but they ARE Front runners….and it gets REAL sickening reading some of this sh!t that some of these people…like karen…..write..

27. Matt Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    The same people who got pissed when JRoll called them frontrunners, mind you…

28. Dudley Monk Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Front Runners……folks, I am 60 years old and have been a Phillies fan since 1958. I have never been a fan of another team. So, just because someone disagrees with others, let’s act like adults and agree to disagree. After all, we all want the Phils to win. Name Calling might be therapeutic to some, but it is really sophomoric and unnecessary.

29. Mike N Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    Call me crazy, but I’m not that worried about the bullpen, especially given the free agent RP signings so far. Glad we didn’t overpay for Lyon, and honestly I don’t think Putz is that good anymore. I guess there’s some upside with him should he bounce back to his performance levels of three seasons ago, but there’s also some upside in our farm system with Matthieson, Bastardo, etc. Sign me up for DJ Carrasco.

30. George Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Enough of the Hamels arguments; aren’t we supposed to be talking about relief pitching on this thread?

    Speaking of which, I wouldn’t panic yet. Lyon got more than he was worth, and Putz was garbage last year. Many of the relievers that have signed have question marks after their names.

    There are still options, and there will be more options tomorrow, when a few more pitchers will be non-tendered. Park may still re-sign. Eyre may still re-sign. There are in-house options such as Bastardo, Escalona, Mathieson, and yesterday’s Rule 5 selection. Condrey and Durbin may get contracts. Some of these guys may not be great, but they’re all better than Terry Adams, or all those other disasters that Ed Wade signed.

31. Jesus Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    I can completely understand how Hamels can frustrate and aggravate people, myself included but he is a STUD pitcher. His “main stream” stats looked bad, but all of his peripheral stats were the same or better than 08. Also, let’s not forget what the man did for the WS Champs in 08! He pissed off a lot of people with some of the things he said and did after the WS last year and this year, but we have this guy locked up for a little over 16mill for the next 2 seasons. You don’t trade young STUD pitchers who are locked up at a good price over 1 bad year.

32. shag beta sigma delta Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    I agree that the pen is a real non issue for me, especially if Scott comes back along with Chopper. Why not use some of the young arms in the farm system. I think that is the plan and I think it is a good one

33. karen Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Not sure how I qualify as a frontruner when I am wanting to keep Happ and Blanton and not trade away young talent so that the phillies have the chance to maybe win in 2010.

34. Matt Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    A guy is doing bad or has a bad year, let’s send him down the river…kinda the definition of frontrunner.

35. mikemike Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Man i dont agree with Don on much but how can anyone say Hamels isnt a ace. Ridicious. mvp of world series , has a bad year is only 25 and y people are selling him down the river. amazing, The kid learned a lesson this year he didnt get into pitching shape after the series and knows it , now we will see the real hamels if he really wants to be great , he has the pitches location killed him all year and lost velocity due to not being in pitching shape.

36. Dan S Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    never really liked this option to start with

37. NJ Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Cole Hamels is about to get what he didn’t get last year… A proper off-season! When you look at all the struggles he had last year it’s been seen before when good pitchers don’t focus on maintaining themselves in the off-season or sit out spring and spend the rest of the season on the backfoot not being able to establish the fastball with any consistency. I’m not saying we’re going to see the 2008 Cole Hamels again for definite but if he goes into spring healthy and prepared he’ll at least be somewhere between the two…

    Anyway on subject who cares about Brandon Lyon or JJ Putz, if teams are going to give creaky guys big money let them! I’d rather see us give decent money to a couple of guys, bring two or three vets in on minor-league deals with their opt-out clause and look to the guys in the system that can relieve at the big league level. The guy I wanna hear about is Scott Matheison not JJ ‘DL’ Putz

38. NJ Says:
    December 11th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    ^PS. If you trading Hamels it’s only gonna be on an ‘i’ll take yours you take mine’ deal for a guy who’s values fallen off of a comparable level like BJ Upton and we know that aint gonna happen.

39. Johnny Snowden Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:23 am

    I understand not overpaying for mediocre relief pitching … but paying for any? I know we’re still months away and who knows who they even bring up north in april but … without having much to do but worry and over analyze everything in head and worry some more … well I’m nervous …and not nearly as much as I am over Lee, Hamels, Blanton, Happ, Moyer/Kendrick/_____?

40. Nationals #1 Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 3:02 am

    So two of our options to solidify our leaky bullpen are two very recent members of our leaky bullpen?

41. Havoc Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 8:03 am

    Given their numbers in the bullpen last year I wouldn’t blame Eyre or Park for the bullpen issues. I’d like to see them get a back up closer, but I’m not sure we want to pay closer money for a guy who’s probably not going to close.

42. sportsphan Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 9:00 am

    I really want to keep Eyre and Park. I don’t think either of them got used the way they could have been in the post-season. Give them both a fresh start this year.

43. Griffin Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    I’m surprised the Phils didn’t jump on Putz. Signing relievers for only one year is the smart way to go.

    I’m still confused as to why the Phils didn’t offer Park arbitration. If he accepted, then the Phils get him back for one year with a slight raise in his $2.5 mil salary from last season. If he signs with someone else, the Phils would have received a sandwich pick between the first and second round. Seemed like a win-win situation.

    I’d love to have Park or any of those guys on a one year deal but NOT if they cost Brandon Lyon prices.

44. mikemike Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    I dont understand the bullpen worries, condrey madson, romano lidge are there mathieson will be there need a lefty and y can find them if not we have escolona for situation lefty. Park wants to start and eyre will be back if he is healthy, I think amaro plans on moving blanton if he can get halladay and if blanton is moved its mostly likely for a infield prospect and reliver or young starter. Ruben so far has shown he is capable of doing the job, the trade for lee was great , so have faith in him, he is a poker players and right now is calling toronto bluff for halladay. Toronto wants a lot but if y are toronto do y take happ and two prospects or take the yankees or boston first round pick which will be a low pick.because if he hits free agency its new york or boston who gets him.

45. NJ Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    Why would you want to put $3m into JJ Putz when you have limited money to finish out the roster? Your not putting that money into ‘06 or ‘07 Putz, it’s going to a guy who might spend at least half the year either throwing hurt or on the DL.

    With relievers in free agency your paying for what a guy has done and isn’t likely to replicate. Lidge is the closer and we have to build a strong flexible set-up crew to insulate him as much of possible instead of reaching to find a closer controversy and sell the bullpen look very thin like it did this year when the injury bug hit.

46. mikemike Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    why would the mets let putz go for 3 million, its because he was hurt and hasn’t been good for two season now, maybe he comes back maybe not i rather have mathieson a young stud.

47. Griffin Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    I agree that spending money on relievers gets tricky, since their performance fluctuates greatly from year to year. But Amaro mentioned that Lyon was “stolen” from the Phils by the Astros, so I do think that he plans on signing a reliever. I hope it’s not for multiple years and it’s just a one-year contract like Park last year and like Putz this year.

48. Geoff Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Im not excited about Putz, Mahay, or Smoltz really. YOuve gotta do better than that. I guess with whos left that we can afford, that means Rodney (noooooooooooooo).

49. mikemike Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    stolen from us do y believe that if y are a pitcher and a team like the phillis offer y near what a houston offers, where do y go to a bad team or the phillies who have a chance to go back to the series, how many chances to close would he get with houston staff they stink, so i believe the phillies offeer was way off in lyons mind.

50. william Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Mlb traderumors has the Phils Working on a multi team trade involving Lee to get prospects to send to Jays for Halladay.

51. william Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Sorry it is a hunch and by Rosenthal

52. Ed R. Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Regarding the post on MLB trade rumors…that is what Ken Rosenthal is basically wondering out loud. Nothing has been confirmed with that. Thought it wouldn’t shock me since Halladay is more likely to sign an ext. than Lee is.

53. psujoe Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Hamels is fine. If you look at his first 50 pitches he was very good. The short off season after thowing a ton of innings wore him down.

    If the Phils could flip Lee, get Halladay and add prospects Amaro is a friggin genius.

54. william Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Yeah but the article makes some sense and sound doable. would hate to see Lee go but Halladay for 3 yrs sound really good and I belive Cole will be better next year.

55. Ed R. Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    I agree with you psujoe…if Amaro can pull that off he then he is indeed the second coming of Christ.

56. GWFightinsFan Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    No way would I trade Lee, even to get Halladay. If you basically swap the two, then its a lateral move, doesn’t help us get any closer to winning another World Series…

57. NJ Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    There’s no good reason to pay any attention to what Ken Rosenthal thinks outloud as he treats reporting on baseball like he’s playing Madden… I wouldn’t be surprised to hear him speculate George Steinbrenner going rouge and buying the Tampa Bay Rays and taking A-Rod with him for David Price, BJ Upton, Rhonde Barber, Vincent Lecavilier and the hamburgler.

    There’s no way a 3 or 4 team deal happens that would have the Phils acquire Halladay AND send Lee elsewhere. No NL contenders who are pretty much the only suitors for Lee would enter into a deal that makes the two-year standing NL champs a better team unless it’s the Dodgers who don’t have the squeeze. It just plain isn’t logical.

    In the bullpen the Phils HAVE to get young blood in there because every years its the same song and dance and as good as the front office has been the bullpen is the most difficult element of the team to build and expect it to be just as good in September. Deals like the Crisp and Jacobs ones prove how useful young middle to back end relievers are and their a tenth of the cost of most of these coveted bullpen arms in free agency. As much as I’d hate to see the Phils come up empty in free agency I don’t want to see guys like Matheison, Bastardo, Carpenter, Savery rotting away in the minors. The Phils have to do more than try and covert one guy at a time in the minors and suddenly there’s more of those kids who keep the window open and the payroll flexible to keep our stars in free agency.

58. Ed R. Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Maybe not this year but if swapping Lee for Halladay means you can extend Halladay when you probably can’t extend Lee then it does make sense.

59. NJ Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    ^just to clarify by the Crisp and Jacobs deals I meant those young relievers acquired in return for those guys…

60. Manny Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Rosenthal must be bored out of his mind…

61. Dudley Monk Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    I believe Ken Rosenthal is dreaming about a four team trade. However, I would trade Lee for Halladay if we can sign Halladay, who is a moose and as strong as there is. Look at his record — year after year an innings eater and winner. Hopefully we don’t deplete our minor leagues too badly, and I agree about the need for an outstanding bullpen. We need an outstanding bullpen if for no other reason than our offense is virtually NEVER out of a game even when we are behind. We just need to keep the competition from scoring more runs than us.

62. NJ Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    When Rosenthal’s bored he spitballs trade ideas on a conference call with Scott Boras, the Rosenhaus bro’s, Rupert Murdoch and Santa…

63. psujoe Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    NJ,

    A three team deal with the Angels actually makes a lot of sense. Jays want too much from the Angels for Halladay. So you send Lee to the Angels, Saunders and (Aybargo or Bourjos) to the Jays along with Taylor and the Phils get Halladay.

64. GWFightinsFan Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    I would rather have Lee and Halladay this year to take a shot at another parade, and then just extend Halladay and let Lee go for the draft picks. If they scout well, they can turn those picks into some damn good prospects

65. psujoe Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    sorry for the Aybargo, it’s Aybar.

66. Ed R. Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    The Phillies have signed Colombian catcher Jorge Alfaro for $1.3MM, according to Kiley McDaniel of Baseball Prospectus. Alfaro was passed over this summer, but impressed at recent workouts.

    That is according to MLB trade rumors.

    Nice to see the Phillies spending some money to sign talent in South America.

67. NJ Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    I’d like to agree but the Angels want Halladay pure and simple and they’re the most likely destination for him right now, they absolutely wont stand aside at let the Phils take Halladay. I won’t disagree with those who say there’s a remote chance we trade for Halladay and shop Lee dealing him before spring but if the Angels don’t get Halladay they’ll move on and quickly.

    By all means speculate perameters for a 3-way deal that’s as even as the Granderson deal was but when it comes to a guy in Halladay’s exact situation with such limited trade partners I can’t think of a single trade to point to as a starting point.

68. william Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Keeping Lee-Hamels-Blanton-Happ and being able to pick up Correia sounds like a good rotation to me. The bullpen is the main issue that needs to be address. Sign Park and find a decent lefty to offset a possible Romero injury.I would not mind if they even moved Victorino for some young arms.

69. Matt Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    The dream scenario involving sending Lee for prospects in order to get Halladay is absolutely ridiculous. I can’t believe people on here are actually in to it. The Phillies would send out an ace pitcher making $9 million this year and prospects for an ace pitcher making $15 million…We would have to go over our $140 mil budget and/or have no money left to spend on bullpen upgrades/Correia or another starter or whatever. It’s a ridiculous dream by that midget of a “baseball reporter” Ken Rosenthal.

70. Geoff Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    That bit from Rosenthal is GARBAGE. Ruben would never do that. If someone will be moved to clear payroll space it will be Blanton, not Lee. Not to mention that he talks about trading Lee to the Dodgers! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, get real pal. Right now Amaro is trying to find someone to move Blanton to, the final piece of the Halladay package, and then hell go out and get a 5th starter on the cheap.

71. NJ Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    If you were an owner wouldn’t you hire Ken Rosenthal as your GM… Can you imagine the moves he’d make!

72. GWFightinsFan Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    So the Yankees have non-tendered Chien-Ming Wang…I wonder if he’s worth a look for the Phils??

73. mikemike Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    the angels want to sign lackey if they do toronto must deal with the phillies to get something good back. if seems no one else wants to give up a lot for him

74. Matt Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Wang is a good option for a 1 year incentive based contract. Low risk, high reward. He hasn’t been good lately, but he hasn’t been healthy either. If he gets healthy, he’s definitely a serviceable mid/back of the rotation guy for us.

75. GWFightinsFan Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    It depends on how much he’s going to ask for….if Brad Freaking Penny gets 8 mil or whatever, I worry about how much Wang might cost

76. Ed R. Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Read the Nat’s did not tender Scott Olsen. I’d take a run at him if I were Amarao. He’s young and has a lot of potential.

77. George Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Zolecki, whom I regard as second-rate, now posts the Rosenthal crap, and thinks it’s plausible. The really stupid thing with this is that everyone seems to think Halladay would be easier to reach an extension with than Lee. There is NO GAURANTEE that he will be. The Phils could give up Lee, maybe a prospect the third team can’t supply, and have to spend $15+ million instead of the $9 million they’d pay to Lee in ‘10. He could end up as the world’s most expensive one-season rental.

    Comparing Penny and Wang isn’t realistic. Penny pitched in ‘09; Wang didn’t. Wang’s surgery was pretty major, maybe even career threatening, and he’s a really gigantic question mark. He might be worth the risk to some team, but nobody is going to pay him Brad Penny money. He may only just get a minor league contract with a spring training invitation.

78. George Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    For all of you that are impatient with Amaro’s indifference toward the free agent arms: there seem to be quite a few pitchers being non-tendered, and some of them are better than the free agents from earlier. I think he’s been wise to wait.

79. NJ Says:
    December 12th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Ed R. Love it! Isn’t Scott Olsen the guy who hates the Phils like George Bush hated Saddam Hussein…?

    That hate sounds like closer material…

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