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Opinion: Moyer’s Formula Easy To Decipher

Three things occurred yesterday that comforted us as we soaked in the sun:

  • The Phillies didn’t hit a home run in their 13-2 win. That’s good — they can score without knocking one out of the park.
  • Pitching didn’t allow a home run for the first time all season.
  • The Phillies never trailed.

Those are great things — sure comebacks and rallies are thrilling, but coasting out early and holding the lead is another facet to winning that the 2008 Phillies perfected by mid-summer. One of those reasons was Jamie Moyer, who seemed to pitch one- to two-run games regularly last season. He did it again Sunday.

Moyer was on, earning easy strikeouts early, inducing ground outs in the middle of his shift and working out of jams late. It’s indicative of the Marlins young offense — against a group of more talented, experienced hitters, those late jams might’ve worked out differently. But Moyer can master green hitters.

Look no further than rookie outfielder Cameron Maybin. He struck out his first at bat, grounded out his second and struck out his third, all against Moyer.

Moyer also perfected his strike zone Sunday. He pounded the outsider corner regularly, soon giving himself the spot because he was on point with it. Meanwhile, Marlins starter Graham Taylor threw all over the place, demolishing any chance for a defined strike zone. That’s the difference between six walks and four runs, and one walk and one run.

Yet again, the ageless wonder spun some magic against the Fish, and it was all the old tricks.

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  1. DHall

    April 27, 2009 at 8:06 am

    Gotta love Moyer. The comments saying that Moyer will be gone by the end of the season crack me up.

  2. Don M

    April 27, 2009 at 9:24 am

    NICE Tim!

    Willingham is THE worst outfielder in baseball.. maybe not, but yesterday was a joke.. it was like a little league game

    Moyer didn’t get as many calls as he should have either.. the pitch before Ibanez made that nice catch against the wall in left-center.. Moyer threw an inside fastball that was 100% over the plate, not just the corner.. for a called-BALL… he was pissed, and took his time to walk around the mound.. but he got out of it

    6 Strikeouts yesterday is big too.. those free-swinging Marlins

  3. NC Jason

    April 27, 2009 at 9:29 am

    I would like to throw the Muts LF Murphy into that discussion about worst OF in baseball! He fell again yesterday! HAHA

  4. Richie

    April 27, 2009 at 9:54 am

    How about the fact that Moyer was on base three times too. A walk, his first career HBP, and a single. The man is an absolute beast.

  5. Jamie Moyer

    April 27, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Predicting that I would win three games was pretty stupid, eh?

    Hi haters… hey Geoff, let me show you where to put that seya pal.

  6. Jamie Moyer

    April 27, 2009 at 10:12 am

    I imagine that this is the kind of day when Geoff wakes up with a life hangover… the weather is great, everyone’s smiling, the Phillies just swept their series behind solid pitching from their 3/4/5 starters AND the lowly Natinals are coming to town. Don’t worry bud, there’s always the swine flu.

  7. Chuck P

    April 27, 2009 at 10:22 am



    I’ll be at the game tonight… Hatfield dolla’ dogs!!! Someone said that the WS trophy was going to be on display tonight. Sweeeeet…

  8. Maverick

    April 27, 2009 at 10:38 am

    I’m just happy we didnt give up a homerun! Finally

  9. Griffin

    April 27, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Chuck P, I heard the trophy is on display in the left field corner.

    Willingham and Murphy are both awful, but Adam Dunn may be worse than both.

  10. Griffin

    April 27, 2009 at 10:44 am

    “Adam Dunn may be worse than both” defensively, I mean.

  11. Evan

    April 27, 2009 at 10:51 am

    I’d just like to point out that with a little research its easy to see Jamie Moyer doesn’t get a ridiculously expanded strike zone. Seeing as Geoff was calling the game from home yesterday and had a few issues with balls and strikes I’d like to present Jamie’s season-to-date Pitchf/x data. This comes in from the wholly unbiased camera systems that have been installed in ball parks. It is supposedly accurate to within 1 inch of the actual location. I imagine some secret society of gentlemen wearing hoods and masks use Pitchf/x data to administer beatings to home plate umpires if they make bad calls.

    Jamie Moyer YTD:

    He gets a few called strikes wide to the left of the plate, probably throwing outside on righties. The right side of the plate is a bit tighter. The square is the “official” strike zone. You could adjust the graph to show just righties or lefties if you have more free time than I.

    Compare that to Hamels, probably most Phillies fans favorite southpaw and compare.

    Cole Hamels YTD:

    That’s remarkably similar. A much wider strike zone to the left, most likely when he throws outside to righties. Its obvious that Moyer gets by on his pitch selection and movement, not some umpire conspiracy or any sort of cheating. At 46, he’ll probably lose control of his bowels before he loses control of the strike zone.

  12. Geoff

    April 27, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Hermida was predtty bad yeterday, Adam Dunn is a statue too. All of you on here, the same ones bashing me were all like “Ibanez is a defensive liability” – WRONG. Hes excellent and hustles more than anyone else on the team. What a GREAT signing.

  13. Griffin

    April 27, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Ibanez does hustle and has been better than expected defensively, but let’s not go overboard and say he’s a great defender. The fact that he could have been signed later in the offseason for half the money he got prevents it from being a GREAT signing. It’s 3 weeks into a 3 year contract, let’s hold off on the “I told you so”.

  14. Chuck P

    April 27, 2009 at 11:29 am

    A lot of people said that he wouldn’t be great in the outfield… I don’t think that anyone said that he wouldn’t be better than Pat Burrell and his concrete shoes. Ibanez is going to botch balls… he’s all out and that means he’ll misjudge things every once in a while but he has only done that once so far. He has done MUCH BETTER than anyone could have predicted defensively and he has been an OUTSTANDING addition. Most people on here (myself included) thought that he was an upgrade over Burrell… the guy was 5th in the AL in RBI’s last year… I initially thought that we might have overpaid (becuase of the economy) but I was happy that we got the guy that we wanted.

  15. Doug D.

    April 27, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Everyone keeps saying we overpaid a lot for Ibanez. He’s getting a little more $10 mil/year for 3 years. Pat signed for an avg of $9 mil/year, and Dunn signed for an avg. of $10/mil, so Raul’s salary is in the same exact ballpark. Besides he is a much more complete player than either Pat or Dunn. Just yeasterday, he tracked down and caught a ball headed for extrabases in the gap. Neither Pat nor Dunn would have even had a sniff at that ball. Raul has already made a number of diving/sliding catches and almost threw out his 3rd runner of the season, and it’s still just April. He’s a much better defender than what anyone thinks…With regard to Tim saying “coasting out early and holding the lead is another facet to winning that the 2008 Phillies perfected by mid-summer.” Wasn’t it mid-summer when the bats became inconsistent? It seemed that the only thing the Phils perfected was the come-from-behind victory, starving on the opposition’s starters and feasting on their bullpens. That’s what Uncle Chollie was chirping about in Spring Training, i.e., the Phils could hit much better than they did last year. The inconsistency was maddening to him.

  16. ryan

    April 27, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    moyer absolutely mesmerizes young talented hitters. proving that smart pitching will beat raw talented hitting any day of the week. for real fans of baseball (fans of the mental chess game within the game) Jamie Moyer is a real treat to watch.

  17. Geoff

    April 27, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Reading the paper at lunch here, horoscope says: “It wont do you any good to push your opinions on others today.”

    Guess I shouldve read that this morning…

  18. Ryan S

    April 27, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Pat Burrell has a 2 year/$16M deal ($7M this year, $9M next year)

  19. Georgie

    April 27, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    hahaha, that’s funny Geoff!!!!

  20. Don M

    April 27, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    you should cut that out and keep it in your wallet… every morning, before you jump on Phillies Nation, read that, count to 10, and then carry on

  21. beta sigma shag

    April 27, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    I would have to disagree that most people on hear thought Raul was a defensive upgrade from Pat the bat, most said he was a horriable outfielder, with a minority saying wait and see, the guy played in seatle how much did we get to see him. I think Pat was better than most thought of him in here. He did not cover a lot of ground, but had a decent arm and played smart most of the time, he knew his limitations, and did not make many errors, physiclly or mentaly out there. Raul has impressed me defensivly, I knew he would be an RBI machine, I mean the guy had 100 rbi in Seatle, where they scored one run a game. Also very impressed with his base running and hustle, all around. He has more speed and brains on the base path than what I expected from him, so far he is worth the money, and IMO will be for the next two years.

  22. Bruce

    April 27, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Geoff, did you find anything in the horoscope that says..”You are judged by the way you speak. First think, and then speak.”? (chuckles)

    Seriously, in all fairness, it’s when you present opinions/arguments in a calm rational manner that good points are made. And you have made your fair share. However, it’s your rants that borders on drivel and not worthy of reply is what I and apparently other people here tried to point out to you. Your fixation on Moyer and seeking faults that are often not realistic suggests an obsession that’s become obnoxious here.

    Sorry if this criticism hurts but it can be beneficial to you if you keep in mind “think before speaking”.

  23. Holly

    April 27, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Bruce I agree, and let’s not forget his bashing of Jimmy. Comments should always be given in a calm manner.

  24. Ray

    April 27, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Tim you predicted jamie moyer to have 3 wins all season

  25. Geoff

    April 27, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Wait until Moyer gets that 4th win to say something…then you can tell Tim he was wrong.

    I always think, which is why my views are different. You think its this bad with sports, you dont even want to know my political views, which are totally out of the mainstream of todays America, though they didnt used to be. You guys mostly just repeat the same cult-like utterances over and over again. Then when you cant deny the logic of someones statement you just insult them or take cheap shots – thats hardly what I call thinking. Thats what I call going along with the flock and trying to tear down the one that stands out. Im not always right, but I think about a topic before I go off on it. Just because its out of the mainstream view doesnt mean its wrong or not thought out. Thats just how it seems relative to your understanding of the issue.

    But because I bashed someone who belongs to your brand name (and mine too, the Phillies – and who is popular within the domain of that brandname) then all of a sudden all the cult followers of that brand name come out of the woodwork to blindly defent it wihtout thinking critically about it. This is no different than if I bashed a Republican or Democrat. Thats why this system has failed. People associate themselves too closely with a corporate brand name and divide themselves up tribally according to their relationship to that brand name. They end up working against each other rather than joining forces because of their association to that brand name.

    I do not think in those terms at all, I prefer to look at the individual – not the brand name because not all members who represent that brand name (Phillies, Flyers, Republicans, Democrats, etc.) are free of wrong-doing – EVEN IF THAT PERSON IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR PREFERRED BRAND. Actually in the political realm youd be hard pressed to find a handful of honest people. Most people in here probably are completely incapable of comprehending what I just said – and thats not an insult its just how our contemporary society is structured.

    Fortunately, its time to go home now. Lets hope Joe Blanton pitches well tonight. And hed better pitch well…so I think he will.

  26. Tim Malcolm

    April 27, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    And if Jamie gets four, I’ll be wrong. Whatever. Go back to my predictions from last year – I thought Kris Benson would get time with the big club.

  27. Manny

    April 27, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Some people take predictions way too seriously…

  28. Don M

    April 27, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    Geoff.. WHAT?

    You come on a Phillies website, after we just swept the 1st place Marlins.. IN FLORIDA, Jamie Moyer pitches great yesterday after you’ve been ripping him for allowing 4 ER (a large cry from your 3 or less demands).. and your posts all day long are about how he cheats the game of baseball by getting calls on the corner.

    Cry all you want about people attacking you on here, but did you honestly expect anything less when you went on your Anti-Moyer rants today? I didn’t think so..

    Sometimes I understand your viewpoints.. and sometimes I don’t even think that YOU understand your viewpoints.

    I hope for Joe Blanton’s sake he pitches a No-Hitter tonight so I don’t have to defend his efforts tomrw.

    Challange to Geoff: find a player on the opposing team to bash for each series, instead of a different Phillies every month.

  29. Ray

    April 28, 2009 at 7:29 am

    haha it doesnt matter matter


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