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Gameday 2009

Gameday: Phillies (72-51) at Pirates (52-71)

Philadelphia Phillies (72-51) at Pittsburgh Pirates (52-71)

Cole Hamels (7-8, 4.78 ERA) vs. Paul Maholm (7-7, 4.74 ERA)

Time: 7:05 p.m at PNC Park
Weather: Partly Cloudy, 76
TV:Comcast Sportsnet
Twitter: Phillies Nation

Losing a heart-breaker last night, the Phillies learned that they can not take the Pirates lightly.  The Pirates may be in last place, but the Phillies continued their struggles at PNC Park.

Cole Hamels has found himself slumping against many teams this season, including the Pirates.  In six innings, he gave up five earned runs against them.  The biggest problem for Hamels is his location.  If he has command of his pitches, he will be in complete control.

Hamels will be opposed by Paul Maholm who is 3-1 with a 3.71 ERA in his career against the Phillies.  Maholm, a sinkerballer, is able to get many hitters to ground out.

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GO PHILLIES!

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  1. Jeff of Nova

    August 26, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    Go Utley

  2. Repeat!

    August 26, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    whats the score?

  3. Jeff of Nova

    August 26, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    1-0

  4. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    1-0 bottom 1 with 2 outs.

  5. Repeat!

    August 26, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    i hate having direct-tv…oh now wait a mintue no i dont cause direct-tv is accculy better than comcast but comast is so petty that direct-tv is way much better than them so they take away phillies flyers and sixers games luckly fox,cbs,nbc,espn and nfl netwok owns nlf telvison or we wouldnt be watching our beloved eagles now would we……

  6. Repeat!

    August 26, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    so im geuss chase hit one out huh?

  7. george

    August 26, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    Yup 1-0 phils…yea I got directv too and hate how comcast don’t allow phil sixers or flyers on satelite…I got comcast internet and take the wire from the internet and hook it up to the tv to get the games.

  8. Stan

    August 26, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    Lets see a good outing from cole he needs it!!!!!

  9. Jeff of Nova

    August 26, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    Good to see Cole pitching out of jams here

  10. nate

    August 26, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    mlb gamecast on espn just had a ball right in the center of the strike zone listed as a “ball”. either crazy umping, or gamecast doesn’t know where the pitches actually are.

  11. teejvee

    August 26, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Yet another pitcher that DOMINATES the Phillies vastly overrated offense.
    Like last night.

    Happens far too often to consider this a great offense.

  12. Jeff

    August 26, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    I have comcast and hate direct tv. no contracts to sign. i get phillies, flyers on comcast sportsnetwork. never any problems with weather. i pay 125 a month and have phone, hd, internet. also get hbo and showtime. direct is way more then that. i have had for years.

  13. Jeff

    August 26, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    overrated offense. are you smoking crack. one of the top 3 offenses in baseball. look at the number idiot.

  14. george

    August 26, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    Don’t know what it is with the phils and bad pitchers like petit redding and now another garbage pitcher shuting them down buy we hit guys like haren and beckett.

  15. teejvee

    August 26, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    numbers don’t always tell the story. They tend to pad stats in bunches .

    And I repeat.They are getting thoroughly DOMINATED right now by a pitcher with an ERA of 4.68.

  16. therookie300

    August 26, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Where’s Cole finding some of this velocity at?

  17. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    teejvee –
    if numbers don’t always tell the story they why did you use them to make your argument:
    ” They are getting thoroughly DOMINATED right now by a pitcher with an ERA of 4.68″
    You refuted your own argument

  18. Jeff

    August 26, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    so is your mother. yea and thats why we are number one…go enjoy your mets. loser…

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  20. Colorado Joe

    August 26, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    I am encouraged by the way Cole is pitching. We need some more runs though. Let’s go Phils!

  21. Jeff of Nova

    August 26, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Cole is still throwing a lot of pitches

  22. MP

    August 26, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Yeah Cole is certainly doing better tonight – but tonight would be the night to go deep into the game. While he hasn’t given up any runs tonight they are still running high counts on him and fouling a lot of pitches off him. 80 or so pitches through 5 innings is not encouraging coming from Hamels.

    But did anyone see him get the 96 MPH fastabll?

  23. george

    August 26, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    The phils need to be more patient with this guy and make him throw pitches.

  24. joedad

    August 26, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    The Nation is quiet tonight. Let’s hear some chatter.

  25. psujoe

    August 26, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Never count your chickens, but with Norm Johnson on the DL the Marlins are pretty much done.

    great job Cole, let’s get some friggin run support!

  26. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Phils always suck against the skell pitchers

  27. joedad

    August 26, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    Did they say who was closer tonight?

  28. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    Lidge illed the nation last night as to why its slow here.

    and thats my question too
    if it srays 1-0

    Who comes in?

    I vote chan ho

  29. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    norm johnson?

    From cheers?

  30. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    go pedro go

  31. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Well it won’t be Lidge. Even if he didn’t blow it last night, tonight would be 5 days in a row. Charlie can’t be that stupid.

    I hope it is Chan Ho too. Or maybe Madson. See how he does in another save opp. Or Walker?

  32. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    walker ?
    your serious

    i am thnking its chan ho or madson. Knowing the old man and how he is I am betting Madson.

  33. vito corleone

    August 26, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    the mets just made a move thats going to greatly improve that team today…….they put oliver perez on the DL……..ha!!

  34. Jeff

    August 26, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    this pitcher does very well against lefties. well when you look at our lineup our big boppers are lefty. utley with the first homer this year for a lefty. not easy.

  35. mikeB

    August 26, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    No patience against sinker ball pitchers. Hard to believe only one run against this lowly Pirates ball club.

  36. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Yes Andrew I am serious. Walker has closed before, with decent success. Better success than Madson and Park as Park has no experience.

    Walker has an ERA of 2.18. Clearly he can get people out.

  37. joedad

    August 26, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    I think you mean Norm Peterson

  38. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    Well done Cole. Way to not crap your pants when two guys got on with 1 out.

  39. mg52

    August 26, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    The Pirates aren’t lowly against the Phils at PNC. It’s as if they save their best pitching for this annual occasion. I wonder if the hitters even watched video of Maholm before the game.
    Hamels has stranded runners and run up his strikeout total. That’s very encouraging.

  40. teejvee

    August 26, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Yet ANOTHER rollins oh fer. He has to lead the majors in oh fers for a leadoff.

    And big oh fers, too. 4. 5.

  41. psujoe

    August 26, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Norm Johnson formerly of the Nats.

  42. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    park in the 8th
    madson in the 9th
    i wonder if people will pick up madson in fantasy if he succeeds?
    i will not
    I had him the last time he closed

  43. DJ

    August 26, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    HAHAHA his name is Nick Johnson!

  44. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    oh wait hamils 8th
    chan ho 9th?

    wouldnt that be awesome

    happ starts game 1 of playoffs and chan ho saves it

  45. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    And I am would think that didn’t work out too well for you.

  46. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Norm johnson was an old kicker for the seahawks

  47. Colorado Joe

    August 26, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    Cole with one out in the 8th! Gosh I hope we score in the 9th… Lidge for a 5th straight day? I hope not!

  48. DeanH

    August 26, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    I have been on pins and needles all game listening on the radio. How is Cole doing in throwing strikes. Looks like the ump is inconsisent again. Any thoughts

  49. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    San Diego just put up a 6 spot on the ATL and have a 6-3 lead. Top 6.

  50. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    So… you think Cole is still in there because he’s afraid to let Lidge in? “No, Charlie, please! It looks like I might actually win this one!!”

  51. joedad

    August 26, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    OK, we need 10 runs here before we can all feel comfortable.

  52. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    This is why the I find the role of closer suspect. You can’t always have one guy available and their might be stretches where one guy won’t see enough work when an offense is hot. Granted it’s the nineth is stressful but I think the closer mystique has amplified the pyschology of the stituation…My favorite is when peop[le think it’s inappropriate to have closers throw in non-save stituations….like there’s not enough on the line to get the rush they need and there not used to it. Or it messes with their “rhytmn”…but what about the rest of the relievers when they have to pitch for a resting closer…isn’t that just as wrong because they’re not used to it and what about the effects on their precious rhythmn.

  53. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Chan ho or hamils goes out in the 9th?
    pitch count someone
    pirates broadcast isnt telling

  54. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    @Andrew: Pitch count: 123!!!

  55. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Hamels threw 123 pitches. That is impressive for Cole. At least 2009 Cole.

  56. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    82 of those 123 pitches were strikes. Really, a dominating performance.

  57. joedad

    August 26, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Nick Johnson is a spare part. I thought you meant the pitcher Johnson. The pitcher is a stud.

  58. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    OK, we could really use some insurance here…

  59. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Let’s go FRISCO!!

  60. DJ

    August 26, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    2nd and 3rd no outs! Whats going to happen?

  61. george

    August 26, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    oh boy madson to close…come on let’s get that insurane run.

  62. Thunder Lips

    August 26, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    If they pitch to Pedro, he will knock in the run… If they pitch to Chooch, I don’t have much faith in knocking in the run

  63. Thunder Lips

    August 26, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Within the last 4-5 yrs of watching the Phils religiously, I cannot remember a Phils team which is sooooooo bad at knocking in runs with guys on third with less than 2 outs. It boggles my mind.

  64. Grrrumpy Miner

    August 26, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Just got word on The Fan…..Mr Met is now on the DL with a pulled hammy and a bruised ego.Now that our season is done,I am now pulling heavilly for the Nats,I want my Mets dead last (As virtually everyone in here wishes the Mets short of death) Oh well ONLY 169 more days til Pitchers and Catchers

  65. boxage

    August 26, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    time to be a hero matt

  66. george

    August 26, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Retarded feliz swung at 2 bad pitches.

  67. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    @Grrrumpy: hehehe. A Mets fan friend of mine commented last year that in 2009, she wanted them to either take it all or have a miserable year; this close-but-not-quite stuff was killing her.

  68. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    (sigh!) That’s awful. Madson: Don’t blow it. That’s all I ask. Don’t blow it.

  69. Thunder Lips

    August 26, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Matt Stairs swung at ball 4

  70. mikeB

    August 26, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Yeh, the Phils have not fared too well over the years in Pittsburgh. San Francisco is another place. Hopefully the Phillies will not have to face them in the playoffs. If they lose, the Jeltz for Feliz and Stairs.

  71. Jeff

    August 26, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Its truly amazing that we CANT SCORE with nobody out and two men at second and third. We have such a problem making contact. Stairs is just a waste. Pedro cant just make contact. AMAZING

  72. george

    August 26, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Typical phillies offense.

  73. Paul

    August 26, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Grrr… can’t get a runner home from 3rd with less than 2 outs!

    Come on Madson!!!

  74. Thunder Lips

    August 26, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    If I’m at Matt Stairs and I’m mired in a 0-24 slump AND I have a 3-1 count on me with the bases loaded, I’m taking a pitch and getting an RBI from a guy who couldn’t get it over the plate to me in the last 3 out of 4 pitches

  75. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    kudos to who ever called madson earlier

  76. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    If we win — check that, WHEN we win — Hamels for the Ashburn. 123 pitches in 8 innings of shut-out baseball.

  77. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    99!!! Someone is amped up.

  78. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    thunderlips – i agree with you. I mean why not

  79. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    If madson gets this save
    If I am charlie i tell brad i may use him in 8th or 9th
    and i tell ,adson that too

    and i use whoever i have a guy feeling for

    maybe id gas on the fire lidge gets some chances in the 8th he will better himself

  80. NJ

    August 26, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Come on Mad Dog, two more outs and we’ve got a real closer controversy…

  81. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Madson, I said *DON’T* blow it…

  82. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    unfriggin believable.

    I told you, leave Madson out of the closers role. Should have let Park or Walker tried.

  83. Thunder Lips

    August 26, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    HAHAHAHAA!!!! WHATTA JOKE

  84. Terri

    August 26, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    I am MAD!!!! I have no faith in this team in the 9th!!

  85. Jeff of Nova

    August 26, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    my god

  86. george

    August 26, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    If anyone says madson should close again,you should be punched.

  87. Paul

    August 26, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    AWFUL

    Not getting that run home was huge.

  88. Stan

    August 26, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    WTF!!!!!

  89. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    well when you have runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs and you don’t get him in, and you have a one run lead then you deserve to lose.

  90. Terri

    August 26, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    I just can’t believe we did it two nights in a row. HORRIBLE!!

  91. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    Straight pitiful

    chan ho baby

  92. Paul

    August 26, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    I wanted Madson to step up and make a case for closing.

    One mistake by him though, and quite a few by some hitters in the top of the 9th.

  93. Terri

    August 26, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Also we already knew Ryan can’t close?? Why go with him? Wasn’t Chan Ho warming up?

  94. george

    August 26, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Jeltz award goes to cholly for bad managing why wasn’t park in there.

  95. mikeB

    August 26, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    To Madson’s credit, he did not get the calls from the umpire on the guy who hit the homer.

  96. DJ

    August 26, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    I don’t blame Madson! He is not the closer! I blame Lidge for not being able to close and putting the team in this situation again!

  97. Stan

    August 26, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Yes everyone as many problems Brad is having now and all season long, I have full faith that he will be lights out in September and all postseason long. If not anything comes out of tonights game at least Cole looks like the cole of last postseason. Thank God!!!

  98. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    A shame, Cole threw 123 pitches, 8 innings of shutout, and he’ll get a no-decision for his troubles because of our craptastic bullpen.

  99. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    I want anyone to step up in the closers roll
    if we lose this there may be noone left here tomorrow
    the nation is on the ben franklin bridge

  100. Stan

    August 26, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    DJ it wouldn’t matter if Lidge was perfect this season. He would not be pitching 5 days in a row. So don’t blame Brad for this one.

  101. Terri

    August 26, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    But then we did have a chance to score in the top of the 9th. Too bad Cole won’t get the win. Best game he pitched in awhile.

  102. Jeff of Nova

    August 26, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    They need to seriously look at Myers or Hoffman

  103. george

    August 26, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Yea this ump has been inconsistent all night.

  104. Thunder Lips

    August 26, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Let Jimmy Steal here… then bunt

  105. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    hoffman is viable?
    If so yes he needs to be looked into

  106. Geoff

    August 26, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    You wanted someone else to close, you got it.

  107. PGD

    August 26, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    man if the phils dont score here i am going to lose it

  108. Stan

    August 26, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Ok 1st and 3rd no outs with the middle of the order. They better score here.

  109. winks tiddley

    August 26, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    Are we getting ready for the swan dive. No closer. That translates into disaster for our Fightin’ Phils. Great season, dreadful postseason. That is what we are facing.

  110. Paul

    August 26, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get at least 1 run out of this!

  111. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    ok we have no proven beyond a doubt neither lidge or madson can close. thats what 15 BS between them?

    i hate bunting nice hit by shane lets bail out the bullpen

  112. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    I don’t blame Charlie at all for using Madson. Madson should have been his first choice. I wonder, if Cole only went 7 innings then what would have happened? Would it have been Madson in the 8th and someone else in the 9th? I have said Walker or Park, I stand by that, not just because Madson can’t close, which he has shown he cant because of the value he provides in the 8th.

    Great hit Shane. Now hopefully someone brings J-Roll home.

  113. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    First and third with no outs in the heart of the order. Could we maybe do something with this, guys? Please? Pretty please?

  114. george

    August 26, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    runners on the corners and no out here’s to 3 strikeouts

  115. Thunder Lips

    August 26, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Uh-oh…. now what? 1st and 3rd, no out. Chase CANNOT strike out or pop out here b/c I don’t trust Howard in these situations with the possibility of a K. I’m taking wagers here. How many bet the Phils don’t score? How many bet they do score? I think they’re pissed and they realize whats at stake here, so I’m saying they score.

  116. Jeff

    August 26, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    WELL…WHat have we learned. We cant score with runners in scoring postion with nobody out. We dont have a freakin closer. Madson cant close. He did the same thing he did the last time. 2*2 pitch down the middle. The whole game we dont give a freaking run…Its amazing.

  117. PGD

    August 26, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    walker wont get anywhere near closing a game for the phils

  118. joedad

    August 26, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Rollins needs to try to steal home here

  119. fightinphils

    August 26, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Well now everyone can quit talking about moving Madson to closer.

  120. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Oh crap

  121. nm

    August 26, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    it was one bad pitch for madson. take away that pitch, its an easy 1,2,3 inning… lidge couldn’t even get one out yesterday

  122. Terri

    August 26, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Jimmy TAKE A CHANCE!!!!

  123. Paul

    August 26, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Oh my… this doesn’t look good.

  124. Stan

    August 26, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    you have to score there wtf

  125. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    YES!!! OH YES!!! RYAN HOWARD!!!

  126. joedad

    August 26, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    WOOT WOOT

  127. PGD

    August 26, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    that will get the run in haha

  128. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Yep…Howard isn’t clutch or anything….

    WAY TO GO BIG BROWN!!!!

  129. Terri

    August 26, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    PHILLY Loves YOU RYAN!!!!!!

  130. Thunder Lips

    August 26, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    The long ball saves us yet again…

  131. Stan

    August 26, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Ryan you are the man!!!!!

  132. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    We can’t hit a sac fly but we can do this.

  133. Jeff

    August 26, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    OH THANK GOD FOR RYAN HOWARD. After chased popped that up I thought we would not score.

  134. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Need I say, Howard for the Ashburn? Assuming that our next closer doesn’t blow it, of course. Sheesh, does this mean Madson gets the win?

  135. george

    August 26, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Now its about fing time.

  136. nm

    August 26, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    sucks that cole hamels won’t get the win…he pitched really well

  137. Morris Buttermaker

    August 26, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    I thought Howard’s ball was going into the Allegheny.

  138. DJ

    August 26, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    WHOOOOOOOOO Howard finally!!!!! He is on fire!

  139. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    @Morris: Yeah, so did the Majestic!

  140. NJ

    August 26, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    Lidge for a 5th straight day anyone…?

    Tracey I believe the scorer gets discretion on who gets the win so the next Phillies pitcher to get the job done I believe will get the win not the save.

  141. Joe NJ

    August 26, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    albert pojols who? NL MVP is Ryan Howard

  142. Jeff

    August 26, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Does anyone realize in all of Madsons blown saves he is laying the ball down the middle. look at all his game homers.

  143. Paul

    August 26, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Now THAT will work!

  144. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Wow blown call

  145. nm

    August 26, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    madson gives up too many homeruns when he closes…keep him in the 8th, he’s way more comfortable there

  146. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    chan ho

  147. nm

    August 26, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    what is charlie smoking?? get chan ho in here

  148. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Oh good grief…

  149. Geoff

    August 26, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    get Madson out of the game right now.

  150. Terri

    August 26, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Come on Ryan!!!

  151. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    win madson

  152. Terri

    August 26, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Nice Chase!!!

  153. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Tracey, Madson would get the win. No one gets the save. If Madson did not pitch the 10th then Madson would have gotten the win and someone else the save.

  154. Tracey

    August 26, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    WOO HOO! PHILS WIN!

  155. boxage

    August 26, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    thank god

  156. Manny

    August 26, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Nicely done Mad Dog!!!!!!!!!

  157. nm

    August 26, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    the only time in a month cole hamels absolutely pitches great and then he doesn’t get the win…he really does have bad luck

  158. Jeff

    August 26, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Ryan tries to blow his fastball by everyone. better with that change. they need to figure this out. its costing us to much. with the post season coming we need a closer. figure it out. this is the pirates.

  159. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    NJ –
    When I found out that Lidge pitched 4 consecutive games my jaw didn’t just drop, it fell off. That violated many fundemental princples of modern sport science. Nothing new in baseball though but slowly things are improving….that’s another can of worms….Sport science would classify pitching as a technical, speed/strength activity, all of which place more demand on the neuromuscular system than the other attributes of athleticism. So, not only does the normal mircotearing to muscle that has to heal but also the chemistry of the adrendal system. 2 consecutive outings is okay, 3 pushing it, but 4, practically guarentees failure.

  160. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    NJ – that was in support of your posts defending Lidge last night

  161. teejvee

    August 26, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Howard covers up the team’s GHASTLY ineptitude at scoring runners from 3,w/ less than 2 outs.

  162. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    @ Jeff, the pitch that Garrett Jones hit out was Madson’s change. He just left it in the zone rather than down.

  163. Ed R.

    August 26, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    I don’t know if anyone saw this or not on DNL today but one of the guys on the show did a break down of Lidge’s era when he has rest and when he pitches on consecutive days. He showed that Lidge’s era with rest is like 2.40 and his era pitching on consecutive days is somewhere in the 8.00’s or 9.00’s. His suggestion was to use Lidge as the closer but never back to back games. Which honestly to me makes sense. Heck, if you have a save situation 3 games in a row then use Lidge game’s 1 and 3 and someone else in the middle. Why not? It sort of solves the problem without a drastic change.

  164. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    Yesterday huston street was not available for colorado because he had pitched 3 straight days
    But lidge was available 4 straight days?
    the more I rest my head on that the more I blame the old man and not Lidge for last ngght.

    I guess if its a save situation tomorrow its lidge
    old man seems to have 0 faith in chan ho in anything resembling a save situation.

  165. Repeat!

    August 26, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    I love the Repeat! copycats. Sick bastards………..Oh Cholly…. You came and you won us ring. But now your going to take one way. Oh Cholly…..

    Thank God for Ryan Howard! His nose does have special powers after all…. Charlie leave Madson where he’s at. You’re creating your own problems. Lidge is already a lost cause. Don’t compound this any further by messing up our setup guy. Use Todd Walker or Chan Ho until Brett is ready. It’s too late in the campaign to fix Madson again if goes south mentally.

  166. Andrew

    August 26, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    I am not worried abotu back to back thats ok

    but

    back to back to back to back

    inexcusable

  167. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Ed R. – that supports the ideas put forth by those in the sports science field which really began in the 1960’s with bicatheloners who started to use scientific methods to find ways to counter the effects of exhaustion on concentration.

  168. Repeat!

    August 26, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    2nd/3rd with no outs in the 9th. And they get nothing…. Wow. Didn’t see the game, just watched the highlights. Great Job by Cole. I know it’s the Bucs, but hopefully this is his turning point. Ryan Howard will the lead in Homers/RBI by season’s end. Again…. Fat Albert is the man, but Howard is the man come money time. I’m glad Howard’s on our side. Good nite.

  169. phils_ftw

    August 26, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Can people please shut up about Madson for closer now? How badly can this guy continue to suck in the 9th before people realize he is bad at closing? This is ALL he did when he was closer, he’d get 2 outs, then start giving up bombs. Find the 9th inning of the Baltimore game somewhere on the net. The one where Ryan Howard came out of the hospital to hit a 3-run pinch-hit home run, only for Ryan Madson to come out in the bottom of the 9th, get 2 outs, then give up multiple HRs to lose the game.

  170. Repeat!

    August 26, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Andrew you’re 100% right, no need to belabor the obvious. If people here don’t get what you’re saying then they’re related to Cholly. I’m still mad about his move last nite. We’ve got the best record in the NL to chase. Can’t afford to throw away wins due to retarded bleep like that.

  171. Repeat!

    August 26, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Lidge step down………

  172. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    Andrew – 4 is inexcusable, 3 once in awhile. I mean recovery rates differ for every athlete just by the diversity of biology but sports scientists have established limits by whcih this difference can be measured and typically it is not remarkable unless there’s an anatomical abberation that could account for usually higher rates like Lance Armstrong whose abnormally large genetically given lung capacity that coupled with his iron will grants him feats of endurance above the rest.

  173. Miles

    August 26, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    Not only do people have to shut up about Madson being the closer, but we need to just give it a rest altogether. For every good idea there is an obvious negative as to why so and so wouldn’t be a good idea for the closer. We are all magnifying the closer problem because its basically the only one we have right now. We are still the second best team by record in the league and arguably the most feared if the playoffs started today.

    Lidge will be the closer unless the lead goes down under 3 games, and we just have to deal with it. The ONLY possible replacement is Myers, but he will have to return and show absolute dominance in 3-4 appearances before Charlie makes the switch.

  174. Brooks

    August 26, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    The question remains, are the Phils heading into the post season in better or worse shape than last year?
    In the post season, there will be plenty of close games, we need someone to come in and shut the door.

  175. george

    August 26, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    brett myers pitched 2 inning and had 4 k’s in his rehab apperance tonight…hopefully he can come back and be his 2007 self or bring him back to the rotation and give pedro a go at closer.

  176. george

    August 26, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    5 k’ my bad he actually had/

  177. george

    August 26, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    did anyone hear kruk say on baseball tonight he think lidge we be closing if the phils make the playoffs?what a joke.

  178. Brian Michael

    August 26, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    I did. He was pretty confident about it but said Lidge would be on a short leash.

  179. j reed

    August 26, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    I don’t think we’re magnifying the closer problem one bit. Like it or not, closers are an intregal part of post season play and our post season is in real jeporady without a viable one. I mean Brad Lidge as is vs. the Cards is not something I’d like to entertain

  180. Jeff of Nova

    August 26, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    well positive is Hamels went 8 scoreless which was a big step for him

  181. SDO

    August 27, 2009 at 12:50 am

    How about a Lidge/Myers duo for the closer position? ala the Martinez/Moyer combo, which seems to work. Put Lidge out there only on alternate days… at most.

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