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Staying Alive: Phillies Send Series Back to NY

The World Series is headed back to the Bronx!  Facing elimination, Chase Utley and Cliff Lee led the Phillies to an important 8-6 victory.

Red-hot Alex Rodriguez quickly put the Yankees on the board.  A-Rod’s World Series slump is history, but Chase Utley made history of his own.  Utley’s first inning three-run bomb started a long night for A.J Burnett; yet Utley was far from done.

The Phillies tacked on runs in the third inning via RBIs by Jayson Werth, Raul Ibanez, and Carlos Ruiz.  Burnett was the complete opposite from game two – he lasted just two innings and gave up six runs.  Meanwhile, Cliff Lee was cruising.

Lee wasn’t lights out, but he pitched better than his line indicated.  He threw for seven innings, but tired as he approached the 100+ pitch mark.  Three of the five earned runs he allowed came in the eighth inning, including one inherited run.  Some spotty defense by JRoll and Howard also contributed to two earned runs.

Once again, it was A-Rod with the big hit.  After Shane Victorino was hit by a pitch in the first inning, Charlie Manuel opted to rest him in the eighth after the Phillies took a commanding six-run lead.  The move was questionable since Raul Ibanez was unable to make a tough catch and Ben Francisco, Victorino’s replacement, made a weak throw after a sacrifice fly RBI.  The six-run cushion was cut in half.

Chase Utley’s second home run and Ibanez’s solo shot were big reasons why the Phillies had such a large lead in the first place.  Utley now has five home runs in the World Series, tying Mr. October, Reggie Jackson’s record from 1977.  The home runs proved to be key since the Yankees continued to fight back.

After Chan Ho Park pitched a solid eighth, Ryan Madson was asked to close.  A Jorge Posada double and Hideki Matsui single set up the beginning of another potential ninth-inning nightmare.  Instead, a run was traded for a Jeter double play then Madson struck out Mark Teixeira to end the game. Whew!

Breathe a little easier, but there are still two more games the Phillies need to win and they’ll have to do that on the Yankees’ turf. Fortunately this team plays their best with their backs against the wall. So tonight, keep believing and keep those hopes high.



  1. goosebumps

    November 3, 2009 at 1:33 am


  2. Mike D.

    November 3, 2009 at 1:35 am

    This team will most certainly give me a coronary by the time this series is over. They almost gave me one tonight.

    If Howard and King Cole both show up, then we will win in 7.

  3. Philly Texan

    November 3, 2009 at 1:35 am

    I barely held it together in the 9th. The Jeter double-play saved the season.

    But, hey, at this time of year, a win’s a win.

    I like our chances in game 6. They’re starting a soft-tossing 37-year-old who relies on location on short rest. Yes, it’s Andy Pettitte, but this is a tough situation.

    He hasn’t pitched on short rest in like four years, and he’s facing a hot offensive club for the second time.

    Let’s go Phils! Keep hope alive!!!

  4. BS

    November 3, 2009 at 1:37 am

    The Yank’s offense is so relentless. It’s telling that I wasn’t comfortable with a 6 run lead. We really need Howard to turn himself around and go on one of those stretches where he carries the team.

  5. goosebumps

    November 3, 2009 at 1:41 am

    And great win, but heres what the phils gotta do:

    The Yankees take advantage of every little mistake. Howard not throwing home- led to a run.

    J-rol not throwing to first- led to more runs.

    Also, every time pedro feliz comes to bat, I bet 5$ that he will not run a 2-2 count. I think he may have done it one time this whole post season.

    Howard needs to relax at the plate.

    Utley needs some bengay for his shoulders. They must hurt from carrying this offense!

  6. chitown phillyfan

    November 3, 2009 at 1:42 am

    I just have to say win or lose, its a pleasure to watch this team continue to fight, anything can happen from here…GO PHILLIES!

  7. Andrew

    November 3, 2009 at 1:42 am

    I think Id go happ game 6 and Pedro game 7.
    Rookie in game 7 of the WS or Pedro?


    November 3, 2009 at 1:43 am

    Mike D: There will be no more “King Cole” in this series. No matter what. He is a noodle armed Mr. Softy with a miserable attitiude. I would honestly rather see Brett Myers start Game 7.

  9. Mike D.

    November 3, 2009 at 1:43 am

    I’d do a rain dance and make damned sure it rains enough so that Cliff Lee gets his normal rest, that’s what I’d do.

  10. Brian of CO

    November 3, 2009 at 1:44 am

    I wasnt comfortable either, but that was partially some of the decisions made. take out Vic? Take out Chan ho? hmm. It worked. Lets go to game 6. But honestly Mike D, if Queen Cole decides he wants to ball in game 7, my first post will be Congratulations Yankees. As if sucking it up the entire post season wasnt enough he comes out and says he “Can’t wait until its over”. For that comment alone, I wouldnt put him anywhere near the freakin clubhouse if it goes to 7.

  11. Andrew

    November 3, 2009 at 1:45 am

    Cole isnt pitching game 7. I wont even watch.
    the weather is clear for the next week in the bronx there is no chance of rain.

  12. Pat Gallen

    November 3, 2009 at 1:48 am

    I agree with Chi Town: It’s amazing to watch this team keep fighting for 9 innings at a time. It’s not always pretty, but it is great to see them giving everything.

    High hopes, everyone!

  13. Mike D.

    November 3, 2009 at 1:49 am

    Well, then, we’ll just all need to do a rain dance. And it isn’t a guaranteed loss, just as long as Cole’s on a short leash and Charlie will yank him faster than you can say “Adam Eaton.”

  14. TrappedInNYC

    November 3, 2009 at 1:50 am

    Pedro in Game 6…Happ/Park/Lee in Game 7…I can’t wait to see the fear on their faces in the Bronx

  15. Brian of CO

    November 3, 2009 at 1:50 am

    I am still beside myself that a professional baseball player who wants to be ab Ace, and was upset when the Phillies went to get a real Ace, comes out says he “Can’t want until its over”. That attitude is what REALLY scares me with 6 and maybe 7 coming up. An attitude like that will lose a game and a series since the Yankees only need one in NY.

  16. Brian of CO

    November 3, 2009 at 1:53 am

    Well Mike D, I have more phaith in Brad Lidge not blowing a single save next season than I do with; a. Queen Cole winning a game in NY, and b. Charlie actually keeping the Queen on a short leash.

  17. Andrew

    November 3, 2009 at 1:54 am

    If we can get it to 7. Then you hear the choking noise from the bronx.
    They do have to beat us one more time. i love them using their guys on short rest. i hate that we lost game 4 though.

  18. Brian of CO

    November 3, 2009 at 1:58 am

    If we make it game 7, that is a GREAT thing honestly. The fact that the Yankees and the best team MONEY CAN BUY didnt sweep the Phillies and are fighting for this WS with the Phillies about 90Million less in payroll is pretty impressive that the Phillies can do that much without spending as much. Anywhere near as much actually.

  19. Mike D.

    November 3, 2009 at 2:01 am

    Yeah, Cole’s made me look stupid with many of my “he’ll get em next time” predictions. Overshadowed my “Lidge will get the W” prediction for NLCS Game 4. And I think Cole should have kept his mouth shut. I’m sure that he regrets saying it. I’m just worried because he doesn’t enjoy doing his job, which is to play a game. But Charlie kept him on a (relatively) short leash for Game 5 of the LCS. His going to the curve and not being able to throw a fastball by anyone after 4 innings means he’s gassed, Dubee and Charlie probably know this.

  20. Andrew

    November 3, 2009 at 2:05 am

    Brian salary isnt really in the discussion. It is part of why we hate the yanks but we are hardly poor people pan handling like the Rays. We didnt care last year that they were lower and I dont care this year abouth the yankees payroll. They have to pay more to get players to go there anyway.

    Cole sucks please lets not see him again.

  21. Ryan

    November 3, 2009 at 2:07 am

    I would vote no Cole for the rest of the Series. Yeah, we got away with using him in the LCS, but the Yankees are a much better team than the Dodgers. The Yankees can hurt us up and down the lineup, and I just don’t think Cole would stand a chance against them. I say we go with Happ in Game 6, and if it gets to a seventh, we go with a well-rested Pedro. Either way, you have to like the way we match up against an aging Pettite on short rest. If our offense continues this little streak, I love our chances, especially if the Big Man wakes up.

  22. Brian of CO

    November 3, 2009 at 2:11 am

    Well I dont think Blanton did to poorly, but I am now wondering if they should have Started Lee in 4, then Blanton, Pedro and Lee again. If Lee won Game 4, would be 2-2 entering tonight with Lee still going again. Oh well, its in the past, the only thing to think about now is winning 2 more game. We are behind the 8 ball, and the numbers are against us, but its not over. Doubtful honestly but I was dead wrong with the rest of the post season. So heres to High Hopes.

  23. CZ

    November 3, 2009 at 2:25 am

    You heard it here first. Cole Hamels WILL start game 7 if they make it. It just makes too much sense. He gets the fisrt 3 innings to pitch great like he has all postseason then any sign of trouble he’s out and then you have any bullpen arm plus Blanton, Lee, Happ to finish it out. I honestly don’t even know why there is a discussion. What everyone is not saying is that before he was baited into the regrettable ‘can’t wait till its over’ comment’ he had already made it very clear that he wanted the ball in a potential game 7. The other quote came after he was asked hypothetically about if there was no game 7. Should he have said it? No, probably not but the kid is till young, brutally honest, and the fact is I believe he has left it all out on the field. He hasn’t performed up to his ability and no one knows that better than he does. I think everyone needs to realize that and move on.

  24. Brian of CO

    November 3, 2009 at 2:30 am

    Well CZ, I want nothing more than to be proven wrong about the next two games, and especially Hamels.

  25. chitown phillyfan

    November 3, 2009 at 2:30 am

    Another thing I find amazing about this team is that they are fighting for a World Series with a beleaguered and injured bullpen. Few of the experts even had the Phillies in the World Series at the start of the playoffs, and many had them losing to the Rockies. Again it just goes to show how hard they fight to overcome defencies, and how appreciative we should be as fans.

  26. Sam

    November 3, 2009 at 2:33 am

    No guys, I go with Pedro game 6 and take a chance in game 7. Remember, there’s no garauntees any Phils or Yanks pitcher will be good or bad the rest of the way. Based on what we’ve seen so far, I’d feel more comfortable with Pedro pitching trailing this series. Worry about game 7 if/when we getto that. Plus, remember Happ/Blanton/Hamels/Myers/Park would be going against CC, whose arm has been used quite heavily this postseason. Think of it this way: If charlie had switched Pedro and Hamels, the Phils would have won game 3, assuming both pitchers pitched the same game. Considering how the Phils have done vs. CC, I’d rather have Pedro going against someone who might hold the offense down

  27. Phil

    November 3, 2009 at 2:39 am

    I don’t want to talk about game 7, but should Lee start if we do get there?

  28. Brian of CO

    November 3, 2009 at 2:45 am

    First things first, Pedro needs to pitch the same in game 6, and the Offense needs to continue what they did tonight THEN and ONLY then we worry about game 7.

  29. Bruce

    November 3, 2009 at 2:51 am

    For game 7, ALL pitchers are on alert and available. After all, there is no tomorrow. Manuel already has committed Pedro Martinez to pitch against Andy Pettitte for game 6 Wednesday.

  30. Brian of CO

    November 3, 2009 at 3:03 am

    Great, because Cole Hamels is “young, brutally honest” and couldnt keep his mouth shut, the verbal arguments have started in the Phillies Locker room. Brett Myers walked by his locker and jokingly said “Why are you here, I thought you quit”. Couldn’t deal with the joke about his idiotic comment so cursed him out. Nice Cole, way to turn other pitchers against you, and create a rift in the Locker Room. The once Poster Child of everything you want in the Post Season quickly turns everyone against him.

  31. j reed

    November 3, 2009 at 3:20 am

    …I keep saying this about Happ…I think he he’s more injured than we Know..One rough start in belolw freezing temps and given Hamels horrid post season Happ doesn’t get the call with the year he put in?…At lesat he does have three pitches. Also ever since he reinjured his oblique the remainder of his regular seasons starts were sub par and he has worked behind hitters constantly in his one post season start and his relief appearances. In 4.2 innings he has given up 7 hits, 4 ER, 1 HR, 5 BB, 4 K’s, 9.00 ERA.. Maybe a a cortisone shot and he could push thru it…who knows. But those are paltry numbers who talent suggests otherwise

  32. j reed

    November 3, 2009 at 3:24 am

    that’s “those are paltry numbers for someone whos talent suggests otherwise.”

  33. j reed

    November 3, 2009 at 3:27 am

    Man to bad Myers (ex-golden glove boxer) didn’t deck him.

  34. Scooter

    November 3, 2009 at 3:40 am

    The Phillies will win game 6 & 7 and repeat as world champs!

  35. Shag beta sigma delta

    November 3, 2009 at 3:58 am

    Two things, do not worry about a game 7 until we game 6 please. The Phillies have to win Wednesday night, Old man Petite on 3 days rest, I like our chances if Pedro can go 6+ and give up 3 or less runs. The bats have to stay hot, and it would be really good if Ryan can hit, good thing from tonights game, which I was at, is that he took walks, so his eye seems to be coming back, So if he swings at strikes he will get hits.
    And I just have to say, I live in Vermont and have driven down to PA for 4 playoff games, and they have won them all, game 1 against the ROX, 3 and 4 against LA and now game 5 against the Yankees, so I think someone needs to get me tickets to games 6 and 7 in NY. I am just saying.
    But really about this game, good win, one more win on wednesday,and that is all I have to say for now

  36. Brian of CO

    November 3, 2009 at 4:15 am

    Working Midnight shifts I have to watch re-runs of ESPN and Sportscenter, and while I love seeing the re-plays of the Eagles BEAT DOWN on the Giants, and the replay of Game 5 with the Phillies win, I cant deal with Bobby Valentine anymore. Wow he sounds like a COMPLETE MORON.

  37. Emily

    November 3, 2009 at 7:42 am

    No! The Yankees have to win the next game, so they will be the World Series Champs! I really shouldn’t be rooting for the Yankees since I live near Philidelphia, but I wasn’t born here so I can root for anyone I want, right? GO YANKEES!

  38. bfo_33

    November 3, 2009 at 7:51 am

    Stating the obvious – every game is an elimination game at this point. I also like going lefty-righty starters. Stick with Pedro Wed, hope to get 5 good innnings, then go to Happ. I think Petite will make Burnett’s outing look successful – he won’t make it out of the 2nd inning. He looked very hittable on normal rest, just couldn’t knock him out. Chase F’in Utley!!!!
    I also think that Myers lit a fire under Cole. Either Myers is a genius at motivation, or a wise-ass who can’t help himself, but either way, I love that he slapped Cole around a bit. Howard, please spend the next two days watching tape, then going to the batting cage – you look lost up there. Shave the beard too (keep the porn stache if you like), it’s not you.

  39. OZ

    November 3, 2009 at 8:11 am

    No Cole. Happ in 6 – keep the yanks on their toes. they haven’t seen much of him, and the 1 time they did, he pitched great – in NYC no less. Lee on short rest in Game 7???

  40. Papa Thompson

    November 3, 2009 at 8:25 am

    I’d say that, at this point, keeping Lee on regular rest looks like a good decision to me.

    Maybe we win Game 4 with Lee starting the game; maybe we don’t. But holding him for Game 5 swung the match-ups in our favor and upped our chances of taking this series the distance.

    Plus, you never know when throwing a guy on short rest is going to blow up in your face (see AJ Burnett .. and, hopefully, Andy Petitte on Wednesday … and CC on Thursday, for that matter).

    I think going with Pedro in 6 is a no-brainer. You have to get to 7 before worrying about a starter, and Pedro provides the best chance of getting us there.

    In 7, I’d really be surprised if Charlie started anybody but Hamels. This is Charlie. Mr. Loyalty. And while Happ may be a more popular choice right now, the fact is he just hasn’t been good of late — a 6.75 ERA in 5.1 postseason innings.

    Happ gets a lot of credit for being unflappable on the mound, but in a deciding WS game, I’ll take the guy who last year stood in front of 45,000 fans and a TV audience and proclaimed he looks forward to “Parading that trophy down Broad Street again, and again and again.”

    I personally think this whole “just wish it was over” thing is way overblown. And if the team sees it that way, it’s not an issue that would weigh into a decision to start Cole or not start him. As pointed out here, he’s been pretty good early in the game, so keep him on a short leash, hope for the best and consider him at worst a bridge to Lee – who would be due to pitch a side session on Thursday anyway.

  41. Ed R.

    November 3, 2009 at 8:27 am

    Look, what Hamels said was clearly taken out of context. The guy spent 95% of the conversation talking about how badly he wants the ball in game 7 and how he wants a shot at redemption. And only then, after all of that, did he make the comment that he couldn’t wait for HIS season to end as it has been mentally draining etc. Not, that he couldn’t wait for the Phillies season to end.

    Obviously it was not the smartest thing he has ever said, he has a habit of saying what he is feeling without really thinking about it. Something he needs to work on for sure but I just don’t get people blasting him about it. Keep in mind that I am not a big Hamels fan and have said on the record for months that the guy is not mentally tough. Even still, I don’t have an issue with any of what he said. If I were him, I would wish like hell my season was over too so I could get a little rest and then get back to work. He wants to be the best, this season has been a disaster for him, imagine how that feels for him? Would you rather him said, well, I was the LCS and WS MVP last year, we won the World Series so cut me some slack, I just didn’t have a good year. At least he cares enough to recognize that he has been awful and wants to move past it.

    Secondly, Myers is a douche. I appreciate that he is a bull dog and is a team guy but he is also a huge jerkoff and I don’t in anyway think he should have said anything to Hamels at all. What purpose could that have possibly served?

    Also, isn’t anyone at all curious how this got out? To my understanding this happened right after the game ended, the reporters should not have been in the locker room yet, which means somehow someone said something to a reporter after it happened. That concerns me.

    I think Pedro getting another chance to put a steak into the hearts of the Yankees is exactly what this team needs. Had our offense showed up at all in game 2 then he deserved to get the win. Hopefully this time it will be a different story and our offense continues to do some things. Though I would imagine Utley won’t see a pitch to hit in game 6, and I doubt Howard will suddenly wake up vs a tough lefty. I guess it will all be on Werth to put up some big numbers. He did it once before.

    And lastly, if it gets to a game 7. I would still throw Hamels over Happ. But he would be on a very very short leash with Happ ready come in at a moments notice. Heck, Lee would also be available for an inning or two. If we get there.

    This season isn’t over yet but the Phillies still have a lot of work to do.

  42. Papa Thompson

    November 3, 2009 at 8:36 am

    My gut tells me Hamels v. Myers is yet another example of something that started in good fun, then was taken out of context and blown out of proportion. The other example is Rollins’ “phils in 5, prediction.”

  43. Keith E

    November 3, 2009 at 8:46 am

    One step, another, and then another…..
    First step has been taken.
    GO PHILS!!!

  44. Harry Kalas

    November 3, 2009 at 9:09 am

    Once again Edr makes the most sense here…. We all wish that Cole was tough enough and strong enough to take the ball on three days rest in Game 6 to be perfectly honest. We have also seen though that pitching on 3 days can kill a pitcher’s good stuff. At this point I’m just glad we’ll at least one more Phillies game to watch. I don’t know what to expect on Wednesday nite. I would like for Chuck to break-up Chase/Howard. Maybe put Werth as the 4 hole guy. Andy is way too smart to give Chase any more meatballs to crush. Vic is a gamer, but if the hand is still swollen he has to sit. It will hurt us defn more than anything. Charlie’s brain freeze in leaving Raul in left almost cost us last nite.

    -Vic has to be honest here. As we still have time to make a roster move. Mayberry Jr??? That way, you’d have Ben Fran in left, Werth in Center, Mayberry Jr in right. Raul as your DH. I wish we could replace Dobbs for Cairo….. I know Mayberry would be ice cold. But it’s better than Ben/Raul in RF? That could be brutal. Please Shane just be honest. If you’re hurt just respectfully sit out. No shame in that. We all know how big your heart is.

  45. Ed R.

    November 3, 2009 at 9:19 am

    I agree with H.K. Chase will not, or should not see a pitch anywhere near the zone for the next two games. That being the case, with Howard looking as lost as he is, Werth should get slid in between Utley and Howard but I don’t know if Charlie will make that move.

    I also agree that it Victorino is as bad off as it sounds like he is, then he should sit. If this was in Philly I would not take him off the roster but rather let him come off the bench and put Frisco in CF but with it being in the AL and having the use of the DH, then I would say that Victorino probably does have to come off the roster. Mayberry is a good option, not sure what he has been doing the last few weeks? Arizona Fall League maybe?

    I think game 6 you will see Frisco in LF and Ibanez DH, and Shane at CF but we will see. I do agree, Shane has a huge heart and in no way wants to come out but he probably should.

    Also, am I the only one that thinks A-Rod should have been walked in the 8th with first base open? I know it would load the bases with no outs, but considering what was due up after A-Rod I would have chanced it. Luckily it worked out, and hindsight is always 20/20 but I was thinking after Tex’s double that I would walk A-Rod. I know its highly unlikely that anyone would walk the bases load but with a 6 run lead, I would have chanced it. Not saying Charlie made the wrong choice either way, just playing Devils Advocate.

  46. Ed R.

    November 3, 2009 at 9:35 am

  47. bob

    November 3, 2009 at 9:54 am

    @ Ed,

    I love Charlie’s response “If I can steal signs, I will”


    -If a team is dumb enough to make their signs so obvious, they have a right to be stolen. As a player, I was certainly looking for something to tip me off

  48. Ed R.

    November 3, 2009 at 10:01 am

    Well as a former pitcher, and I say that light heartedly as I was never anything of importance, but as someone who pitched, stealing signs did bother me but at the same point, it was on my catcher and I to work around it. Changing up signs is not all that hard to do. If you are obvious about your signs and someone standing at 2nd base can steal them then so be it. I do however have a problem if there is a camera in center field and the bull pen is then relaying those signs to the plate. That I find to be very wrong.

  49. George

    November 3, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Too many fans are idiots. Too many fans take everything out of context and make personal attacks against any player who has had an off-year. Were I a player, I’d take the Steve Carlton approach and never talk to the media.

    I hope Hamels wears a bulletproof vest for his next start, because with some of the clowns aiming at him, he may need it. Everyone says he is gutless, mentally weak, etc. etc. But it takes someone unusually strong to go out every five days under such a barrage of personal attacks.

  50. PhreeholdDave

    November 3, 2009 at 10:27 am

    Charlie didn’t have such a good day yesterday. I thought he should have brought Bruntlett or someone else to bunt Ruiz to second in the 8th inning. And, he probably should have left Victorino in and put Francisco in left. (Not sure about the extent of Victorino’s injury.

    However, I think the Phillies have a good shot at Game 6. They got to Petitte in Game 3 and he is coming off of 3 days rest which he is not used to doing.

    If the Phillies win in Game 6, then I think you go to Happ for Game 7. Hamels has had 4 post-season starts and really hasn’t had a good outing. He doesn’t seem to be reacting well to things that are going to happen in the course of a baseball game such as errors or bad calls.

  51. hotstove

    November 3, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Pedro game 6
    hamels starts in 7 and then lee after aboiut 4 innings or so see how cole is doing

  52. joedad

    November 3, 2009 at 10:32 am

    Excellent win especially after the heart wrenching loss in game 4. What a team.

    On to game 6. Pettitte on 3 days rest is probably better than any other options so I expect the Phils to be able to score some runs and get to the bullpen early. i expect the same if they change their minds and go with another pitcher. Pedro is on full rest but he hasn’t pitched on 4 days rest in a while. He will have adrenaline helping him along.

    It was a positive night for the Phils. Even Howard gave me some signs of hope because he started to lay off seom breaking balls. I think that is always the first sign that he is locked in. The hitting usually comes shortly thereafter.

  53. Ed R.

    November 3, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Pedro will actually have an extra day’s rest, for a total of 5 days. I agree with you joedad that his adrenaline will fuel him for awhile.

    Let’s not even talk about game 7 until it becomes a certainty that there will be one. Until then, focus on one game at a time, and that’s game 6.

  54. joedad

    November 3, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Ed R, you are right, it will be 5 days rest. Even better, he gets another day’s rest.

    Game 6 is an elimination game for the Phils so they will throw any pitcher out there that is available (Lee is probably the only one not available). No more talk about who will pitch game 7 until they win game 6. Hamels could pitch in relief in game 6. Keep in mind that he dominated the first time through the lineup and has a history of doing that, even this year. If he can dominate for 1 to 3 innings in relief, it get’s the Phils that much closer to winning game 6.

  55. A Detectible Met Horror

    November 3, 2009 at 11:21 am

    There is no patent on signs, there are no rules that say you can’t steal signs. What’s so taboo about it? The more and more I think about it, the more I would actually encourage stealing signs. Even if they used a camera… is there even a precedence to do anything about it?

  56. Ari

    November 3, 2009 at 11:21 am

    May I suggest “Mr. November” for Chase Utley?

  57. Chuck

    November 3, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Is it just me or did anyone else want to reach through the tv and wipe that arrogant,smug grin off Johnny Damon’s face in the 9th inning last night.??….it made the final strikeout all that more sweet….

    Great win by the Fightins….one game at a time….ONE GAME AT A TIME…

    No fat lady yet…

  58. Matt Kwasiborski

    November 3, 2009 at 11:47 am

    We cannot call Utley that until we win it. Game 6 is what it is all about. It is sure fun speculating about Game 7 but there is no Game 7- it still has that * next to it, if necessary. Phils offense finally stopped swinging for HRs all night and took what the Yanks gave them. The Yanks have been doing that all series so far. Vic and Rollins played like top of the order guys.

    I definitely like our chances with a short rested Pettitte and Pedro and his fortitude. Happ hasn’t even been warming up so he is either hurt or they are saving him for something. If Pedro falters early maybe Happ comes in then.

    Myers is a jerk. I like the fact that he said something but now is not the time to start this crap. He won’t be here next year anyway. Hamels should get crap for what he said and his teammates should be pissed but now is not the time to bring it out into the media. How did it get there anyway?

  59. The Original Chuck P

    November 3, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Gooooooood morning Phillies Nation!

    I decided to do something that I don’t normally do: I read the game thread from yesterday and I am glad that I did. I’m so proud of our fan base. There is still a lot of life left in our fans and this team… rather than getting down, we looked at the situation for what it was and rallied. Girardi made a huge gamble by going with three pitchers on short rest and you have to realize that the rotation has now turned over in our favor. We have the match-ups we want and if we can get to game 7, you have to feel really good about this lineup seeing CC for the third time in 10 days.

    We’re a better road team… have been all year… why can’t us? Andy Pettitte is not going to lay down but the sun is shining this morning and our guys have dealt a huge blow. There is a storm brewing… the question marks surrounding Joe Girardi’s decision to go with a 3 man rotation loom large. Just this morning, I have heard these comments: “How can you have a $200 million payroll and not have a reliable fourth starter?” and “If the Yankees lose this series, Joe Girardi will likely be fired.”

    The pressure is on; it won’t be easy but it never is. NY played a great game yesterday and we still won… we need to keep getting timely hits and play better defensively if we want to win game 6. Hopefully, Howard uses this day off to spend some extra time in the batting cages (and shave that stuff off of his face).

  60. bob

    November 3, 2009 at 11:51 am


    Between that and Texiera’s comment that “there are the Yankees and there’s everyone else” I wanted to jump through the TV and beat the crap out of every single player not named Derek Jeter and Rivera.

    Smug, arrogent just like their fanbase who think this is over. Yes, the Yanks have momentum and are going home. But they are a facing a team who is not afraid of them, who is with them step for step.

  61. bob

    November 3, 2009 at 11:53 am

    and +250 for our fans, they were outstanding last night and for the other 2 games. Yes maybe more Yanks fans then we wanted in CBP but they were certainly drowned out for the majority of the 3 games.

    None of these losses were on them, that’s for sure

  62. joedad

    November 3, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    First of all, the Yankees were playing grab ass on the pitchers mound in between pitches in Yankee Stadium so I doubt Bowa’s claim. It is a strategy to slow down the Phillies bats or to slow down their own pitchers.

    Second of all, stealing signs is a part of the game. Players and coaches on the bench and the bullpen should look for signs from the catcher, from the 3rd base coach, from the opposing bench, etc. whenever possible. It might sound elementary to some but that is why there is so much attempt at deception when giving signs. I am not sure if cameras are prohibited or not. If they are not, then I assume all teams use them also.

  63. Andrew

    November 3, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    What a game! What! A! Game!

    I knew the Phellas had it in them.

    Love how the opposing batters try to slow down Lee’s breakneck pace by screwing around in the box and calling time. Posada got it once, and not getting it the second successive time was a wonderful thing … Lee didn’t falter, tossed one right in there for a strike, and make Posada’s strikeout that much more beautiful.

    I love it.

  64. Georgie

    November 3, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    “how can a team with a $200M payroll not have a reliable 4th starter?”
    Because they blew their wad on all of those huge contracts! It’s like buying a Porsche, but all you can do is sit it in your driveway because you can’t afford insurance or gas to drive the damn thing.

  65. Philly Texan

    November 3, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Stealing signs is part of the game.

    Clearly both teams are worried about it. I’ve seen both the Phils and Yanks using multiple signs — even with NO ONE on base.

    LAst night, Fox had some great shots of Lee switching the grip in his glove right before the pitch. He’d start with changeup grip and then throw a fastball. Seems like they were worried about the first-base coach getting a peak at something or that Lee might be tipping his pitches.

    All this kind of stuff — stealing signs, players getting hit, a little trash talk, tipping pitches — is what makes for a great, heated playoff series. Gotta love it.!

  66. Georgie

    November 3, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    This IS an awesome series so far, I wonder how the ratings are compared to the past several WS? Personally, I could give a sh!t about the ratings, but I’m just curious, because the 2 best teams are playing, you’d think more people would be watching. And then , of course, you have your Yankee bandwagon fans, like my friend who doesn’t even mention baseball all season, and now all of a sudden he’s calling me and giving me crap about the games, since he’s a BIG Yankee fan. Ha, give me a break!

  67. joedad

    November 3, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Andrew, that was a great play by Lee. Posada thought he could fluster Lee but Lee turned it around on him.

  68. Philly Texan

    November 3, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Some food for thought:

    Andy Pettitte on three days rest has a career record of 4-6 with an ERA well over 4.

    Hasn’t pitched on three days rest since 2006, when he was 34. He’s now 37. That’s a big three years in the life of a pitcher. You just don’t recover as fast.

    Pedro will be pitching on 5 days rest.

    Doesn’t mean we’re going to win. But it’s something.

  69. Bob Kahn

    November 3, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    We need to get past Game 6 first guys! Pedro does best on lots of rest. But we will see how he does. I look for Happ et al to back him up.

    IF there is a game 7 I expect Hamels to start but on a short leash. Closer will be Lee if we are lucky.

    Odds of taking two at New York are low but not impossible.

    Whatever happens, can we stop looking for someone to blame? Someone wins and someone loses. The Yankees are a good team – they will hit the best pitchers. They have good pitchers who are hard to hit. Same for the Phillies.

    Enjoy the ride – 28 other teams are home watching. I would rather love the angst of watching these games rather than not!

    Go Phillies!

  70. Chuck

    November 3, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Bob Kahn…

    And to take your point…..”28 teams are home watching.”…….a step further….

    The Phillies and their fans…..that’s all of us…..are participating in a MEANINGFUL baseball game in November……that’s NOVEMBER….it’s a super thrill to be thinking about the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday and watching the Phillies defend their title at the same time…

    Yeah…enjoy the ride!

  71. The Original Chuck P

    November 3, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Game 6 is a very winnable game… it really does depend on whether Andy Pettitte will be ready to pitch on short rest and that is a HUGE question mark. Think about it… being 37 and a veteran, his body is now very much dependent on his routine… For instance, his first day off, he might tired and used to taking it easy. Second day, he’s probably sore. Third day, he might still be sore but he’s able to throw without feeling tired. Fourth day, his pitches are getting some of that bite back… Fifth day, he’s ready to go. What happens when he doesn’t have that fourth day? What happens when you see a pitcher for the second time in four days? Hopefully, it’s a feast for our guys!

  72. Griffin

    November 3, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    The weather reports is calling for rain/snow in New York on Thursday night. This means game 7 may be pushed back a day to Friday which means that Cliff Lee could pitch that game on short rest.

    Phils need to win game 6 first, but suddenly the Phils’ chances for game 7 got a lot better.

  73. Keith

    November 3, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    what weather reports call for snow?

  74. Griffin

    November 3, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    well a chance of snow on Thursday night, but definitely rain.

  75. The Original Chuck P

    November 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Thought that this was interesting… Pettitte has NOT been lights out in prior series deciding starts. In a fairly large sample size (40+ innings), he has given up better than 20 runs. His ERA is a ho-hum 4.54 in these types of games… and that’s on normal rest.

    Giddy up…

    It might snow on Thursday… I would love to see MLB push it back to Friday but I doubt that will happen. Tomorrows game goes off as scheduled.

  76. psujoe

    November 3, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    I’m fine with Wednesday, Thursday. Pettite should be very hittable on three days rest. Unfortunately Pero will be hittable also. Should be a high scoring affair. Phils rock in these type of games. Yanks bull pen isn’t built for it.

    Game 7 will be all hands on deck. Don’t get down on Cole. His arm is shot(I agree with Kerrigan). He’s only good for 50/60 pitches. Use Cole for 3, then go Happ/Blanton/Lee in the middle and close out with Park/Madson/Lidge/Eyre. * I didn’t like what Cole said, But i understand were he’s coming from. On the flip side Lidge’s blank stare pisses me off much more, but that’s just me.

    Phils will do it!

  77. Papa Thompson

    November 3, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    I only half agree with the idea Utley won’t see anything to hit. If the guys in front of him set the table, and particularly if we can get something started at the bottom of our DH’d line-up, there’s no choice except to pitch to him.

    The big question, I guess, is what happens to the line-up if Shane’s taken out of it? Werth in the 2-hole? Ibanez?

  78. Brian of CO

    November 4, 2009 at 1:45 am

    Ed R, I usually dont disagree with you, but I disagree that Myers shouldnt have said anything. Like it or not, Cole Hamels has NOT performed to HIS OWN ABILITY. He CAN be a great pitcher, but overall, has not been an Ace this season (with the exception of a few great starts), and postseason has not been any better at all! Cole Hamels whether he spoke 95% about wanting to ball screwed up and made it sound like he just wants to go home. Cole Hamels NEEDED to have a fir lit under him, and have him get PISSED. Too often he has gotten flustered, but I havent seen that Pissed off I want to prove something Cole Hamels we saw last year. This MIGHT just have been that thing that Cole Needed to get Pissed and throw a gem IF we get to game 7.

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