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Spring Recap: Aumont Struggles in 13-6 Win

The Phillies cruised to a 13-6 victory in their exhibition game against Florida State University. 

In the process, Phillippe Aumont, the team’s number one pitching prospect, struggled.  Aumont, who was acquired in the Cliff Lee trade, surrendered five runs in 2/3 of inning.  But let’s not call it a career for him just yet.  Aumont admitted feeling pressure from the trade, and said he wanted to make a good first impression.  He’s only 21 and it was his very first outing.  Heck, Tim Lincecum allowed three runs during an inning of work today.

The Phillies did receive stellar performances from J.A Happ (2 IP, 0 R), Drew Naylor (2 IP, 4 SO), and Joe Savery (1 IP, 2 SO).  Domonic Brown also drove in a run.

48 Comments

48 Comments

  1. Blaise

    March 3, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    So when should we give Domonic Brown his MVP trophy?

  2. WFC010

    March 3, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Phillipe Aumont didn’t do so great tonight, but so did a number of other players on the big club…so I wouldn’t be so worried.

    On the positive site of things, I thought Happ,Savery,and,Naylor looked great…even if this kind of game isn’t the best indicator of their talent level.

  3. Ed R.

    March 3, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Nothing says welcome to the show like getting waxed by a college team.

  4. pheeling it

    March 3, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Aumont got lit up

  5. Jeff of Nova

    March 3, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    I felt for him that is for sure.

    Waiting to hear all the we gave up Cliff lee for that posts

    Still waiting

    Like I said early this week, this guy will have a big adjustment period coming to the east coast the miinor leagues he was in is much different league than east.

    Should be interesting to see his progress

  6. steve

    March 4, 2010 at 1:27 am

    1st live action in 3-3 1/2 months for some of these guys. Would you rather these players be studs in spring training and then crushed during the regular season? Let them work out the kinks and try to learn new things now rather than mid season. However, it’ll be interesting to see how the Phillies blog world reacts if Kyle Drabek has a great performance tomorrow in his Jays’ debut.

  7. WFC010

    March 4, 2010 at 3:37 am

    If Drabek crushes us tomorrow, we are never going to hear the end of it! 🙁

    Ugh… I can’t wash the guy ill, considering I was a huge fan of his and everything.

  8. steve

    March 4, 2010 at 6:51 am

    http://talksportsphilly.com/?p=1651#more-1651

    interesting article on howard.

  9. jacks

    March 4, 2010 at 8:12 am

    there is a difference between working out kinks and getting smacked around by 18 year old college kids,

  10. jrollpatrol08

    March 4, 2010 at 8:41 am

    ’twas a good article on howard…

  11. jrollpatrol08

    March 4, 2010 at 8:42 am

    basically shrugged off work today so i could watch the halladay CC matchup…im pretty pathetic…or just salivating for baseball season….or both

  12. bfo_33

    March 4, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Howard article was pretty interesting. If you check Rollins/Vic on base%, you’ll see a pretty good inverse relationship to Howard’s curveball diet. A left handed pitcher is going to throw a lot less curveballs when guys are in scoring position(breaks away from a right handed catcher). While I’d like to see Howard improve on breaking balls, Jimmy getting a .350+ ob%, PP moving him over will reduce breaking balls.

    Back to back pennants, A WFC, yet Happ is lucky, Howard can’t hit, pretty boy Hammels only has two pitches and no guts, no bullpen, Rollins is a crap leadoff hitter (well, that has some merit), Ibanez and Polanco were a waste of money, we lost Lee,….. How does this team ever win a game?

    While somewhat interesting to follow, Drabek/Aumont performances this spring mean little to anyone but the haters. Come back in 3 yrs. Also note that FSU isn’t a intramural team, but a Nat Champ contender that has been playing games since Feb 19. They’re already hitting their stride.

  13. Jeff of Nova

    March 4, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Well I am sure Drabek will fair well. He much further along than Aumount. Aumount is a A ball pitcher right now, but I am worried that bunch of college kids slammed him. Cause in retrospect he would be in College if he didn’t get drafted so high. Not sure cause I really don’t a whole lot other than his spects being tall with a strong power pitch.

    I am okay with all of it cause we have Halladay, but if Drabek ends up being a long term stud that will be disappointing. I always felt that Drabek was a sure thing the way he pitched from day one last year.

    Just my thoughts, feelings

    Hope Aumount can bounce back figure it out.

  14. George

    March 4, 2010 at 9:25 am

    A lot of college kids are 19-21. They’re not all freshman, and some of them are good. You can’t make mistakes against them or any other ballplayer and expect to get by.

    When a pitcher is new to a team and has huge expectations placed on him, and the coaching staff is experimenting with his arm slot, he’s under immense pressure and bound to make mistakes.

    I suggest to a certain poster here that he face some college kids himself since he disrespects Aumont for being “smacked around by 18 year old(s).”

  15. Chuck

    March 4, 2010 at 9:27 am

    It’s ONE game. It’s the FIRST game. He admitted he was NERVOUS.

    R E L A X Everybody…..

    He will be fine.

  16. Jeff of Nova

    March 4, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Chuck you are absolutely correct, and for some reason I almost saw this performance coming, so just throw this one under rug and lets focus on

    Halladay

  17. Chuck

    March 4, 2010 at 9:37 am

    I saw this perfomance, too, Jeff….and I also saw this thread coming. The other thread “Listen Live to Exibition Game vs FSU” is even worse.
    I really wonder about some of these people.

    Halladay (TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

  18. schwalmy

    March 4, 2010 at 9:37 am

    okay i have been reading mlb news and rumors and alot of places are discussing Adrian Gonzalez and his future trade…. Altough this year is just begining I have to say this…. Howard deal ends next year and he is the type of hitter the yankees and redsox would spend the farm on! Gonzo would cost about what we are paying Howard now per year for a long term deal. wouldn’t it be prudent to dangle howard and see whats offered for him so we could awing some of it for gonzo and not miss a beat!!!! I really like this idea because you really don’t miss a beat as far as you get a better average hitter with way above average HR potential for a below average hitter with the best power in the league!!!!!
    Any thoughts?

  19. The Original Chuck P

    March 4, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Aumont is not just “working out the kinks” he’s being asked to change his delivery; they’re attempting to lower his arm slot. That’s a pretty big adjustment and one that will certainly take some time. I’m not willing to abandon the notion that he’s a decent player… and I think that they’re doing the right thing by working him back into a starting role.

    If you trade Howard for prospects and then turn around and trade prospects for Gonzo, what have you gained? Gonzo becomes a free-agent in 2012… so does Howard. Howard is making a lot more than Gonzo but I would imagine that they’re both going to be asking for mega deals when the time comes… Gonzo will be more eager to sign a big deal since he hasn’t been paid his due yet. You don’t shake up this team the way that would shake up this team right now… what’s the point.

    Halladay

  20. fan at birth

    March 4, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Aumont will be fine, he had good velocity and just is a few years away, lets all chill. Today we should all be watching to see the Doctor at work vs the yankees enjoy

  21. Phan in TN

    March 4, 2010 at 10:10 am

    I was hoping to watch the game on MLB.TV last night but no such luck.

  22. Chuck

    March 4, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Oh, but if the Doctor gives up one walk, some people are probably gonna start lining up at the Walt Whitman Bridge.

  23. Manny

    March 4, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Obviously, this doesn’t mean much for Aumont at this point… but it reinforces the idea –not just mine, but of many scouts in baseball– that he’s a middling prospect with good potential… lots, lots of work ahead of him. Can’t believe people here were/are still high on the guy. I’ll jump on his bandwagon when/if he actually starts putting up good numbers in the minors. At this point, I wouldn’t bet on it.

  24. JeffS

    March 4, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Counting the minutes to Halladay at this point.

    I can’t even criticize Aumont right now – I just feel sorry for him. They probably put him in against the college players not just to get a look at him, but to give him a chance to look good, and it backfired. I’m glad all of the baserunners weren’t there on hits, though. I don’t care about wild pitches or walks in the first spring training game – just nerves and not a lot of live pitching in a long time, and new to them pitching coaches changing technique. Three hits….a little concerning, but not having seen it, I wouldn’t begin to know if he was working on new things or not.

    But I still think we got taken in the Lee deal, and it has nothing to do with yesterday. Gillies better muster a really high OBP so his speed can be utilized. Too bad Lopes will probably be retired just before getting to work with him every day.

    Where do people think Naylor will be this season? Figuring out what Reading games to go to. And I’m guessing Mathieson will be with the Pigs?

  25. Manny

    March 4, 2010 at 10:27 am

    **good numbers in AA**

  26. NJ

    March 4, 2010 at 10:35 am

    This was a warm-up game, a scrimmage, a pick-up game against a college team well into it’s season that hasn’t lost. Aumont was by far the youngest of the pitchers in terms of baseball development.

    If Drabek becomes the pitcher we hope then both sides gave a lot and got a lot because we got Doc Halladay. We HAVE to stop viewing with future success of Aumont against Drabek.

    We got the best deal we could for Lee because the Phils needed to get prospects already in a system so there are more guys who can be used in 2011/2012 onwards so we can try to re-sign Werth, Howard, Rollins, Utley, Cole and not been handcuffed by an escalating payroll to not be able to do anything more. Those draft picks for Lee would have also cut into that money pie with their bonuses.

    When you look at the pitching prospects around baseball that would be considered to be available in trades at that point Aumont is in the top 2 or 3 AND we got what looks like lightning in a bottle with Gillies which is why Seattle caved with Amaro obviously making it a deal-breaker which is what I’d heard plus another prospect who reminds me of Bastardo but from the right side. We weren’t going to get those kind of players from anyone other than Seattle.

  27. Chuck

    March 4, 2010 at 10:39 am

    “But I still think we got taken in the Lee deal”

    Yeah, and maybe we also got taken in the Halladay deal. And maybe Polanco will be a bust. And maybe Brett Myers wins 20 games for the Astros.

    One spring training game….and you people are ready to throw in the towel with this kid.

    And where is this idea about Davey Lopes being retired before he gets to work with Gillies??….as if there are no other qualified first base coaches out there.

  28. Chuck

    March 4, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Manny, you’d being doing a blog-equivalent of a fist pump had Aumont sparkled last night. But the guy has a rough outing….his first appearance with this organization….and your sour on him.

    This kid needs a WIDE BERTH right now. Give him some time ….a lot of time ….to develop. It may take all year. No one said that he was going to be in the big leagues this season anyway.

    I can understand if you want to stay off the bandwagon. But just have an open mind. You’re too smart not to.

  29. JeffS

    March 4, 2010 at 10:46 am

    “When you look at the pitching prospects around baseball that would be considered to be available in trades at that point Aumont is in the top 2 or 3”

    That’s really pushing it. Whether any of the few dozen actual top pitching prospects were known to be trade-able is different than whether any of them would be traded if Lee were offered.

    I have some past clients in Seattle who obviously know their farm system better than I do, and to a person they believe they ripped us off.

  30. JeffS

    March 4, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Chuck,

    One of the players hinted that this would be Lopes’ last year on CSN. If Gillies is on the Phils this year, we would have had quite a rash of injury problems.

    “One spring training game….and you people are ready to throw in the towel with this kid.”

    Go back and read what I said. I did not criticize him at all.

  31. Don M

    March 4, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Manny,

    “When/If he actually starts putting up good numbers in the minors”. . . .

    Like the fact that he’s got better numbers than Kyle Drabek in their minor league careers?

    They aren’t going to rename the Cy Young Award after Phillippe Aumont, …. but he’s a member of the Phillies organization now, and its time that people start pulling for him, instead of crying of Cliff Lee, who was gone after this season anyway

  32. The Original Chuck P

    March 4, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Manny – he’s a Baseball America top 100 prospect. I wouldn’t call that middling… he posted a 2.75 ERA at A ball in 2008 (as a starter) and a 3.24 ERA at A+ in 2009 as a closer. He struggled when he was promoted to AA midseason… maybe they’ll be forced to take things a little bit slowly but baseball america has his MLB ETA as 2011.

    Does Cody Ransom interest anyone else? I would love to see this guy make the big league roster over Juan Castro…

  33. JeffS

    March 4, 2010 at 11:00 am

    “Like the fact that he’s got better numbers than Kyle Drabek in their minor league careers?”

    Don,
    I know you already know all this and are just making a point, but in fairness to Kyle, he moved up quickly last year after having a bit of a bump in the road. Not quite comparing apples to apples with the career trajectory.

  34. The Original Chuck P

    March 4, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Insert Halladay

  35. Chuck

    March 4, 2010 at 11:04 am

    I didn’t say YOU criticized him DIRECTLY. But others have. And your post “I still think we got taken” suggests negativity towards this trade.

    And, while you say it has “nothing to do with yesterday”, I would think that ANYONE who didn’t approve of this deal is having a field day today with all the “I -told- you- so’s”

  36. JeffS

    March 4, 2010 at 11:04 am

    “Does Cody Ransom interest anyone else?”

    Yes, but it’s a close call. I’d sure want to get a good look at him in these games.

    Alright, I really have to get some real work done before the game starts. :p

  37. The Original Chuck P

    March 4, 2010 at 11:06 am

    If you’re going to say that Kyle struggled after moving up quickly than you can certainly say that Aumont’s struggles at AA were due to the same reason…

    The Phillies are handling him correctly; work with the pitching coaches to correct mechanical issues and worry about results later. Might I remind everyone the name of the pitcher that holds the record for the worst single season ERA (minimum 50 innings) in the HISTORY OF BASEBALL….

    Halladay

    (and he turned out just fine, didn’t he?)

  38. JeffS

    March 4, 2010 at 11:08 am

    “I would think that ANYONE who didn’t approve of this deal is having a field day today with all the “I -told- you- so’s””

    I didn’t like it back then and said so. It has nothing to do with criticizing the player to say that better prospects exist, and that we might not have done as well in the deal as we could have because for whichever reason we want to believe, it was done hastily. I’m trying to stay away for the I-told-you-so because I still WANT him to do well, and as I said, I think a first exhibition game is NOT something to form a judgment upon.

  39. JeffS

    March 4, 2010 at 11:15 am

    “If you’re going to say that Kyle struggled after moving up quickly than you can certainly say that Aumont’s struggles at AA were due to the same reason…”

    I hate this comparison for so many reasons, but there’s more to it than that, and Kyle did fine at Reading, except for one start – which didn’t really have to be a disaster, but you should have heard how p—ed off he was at himself – so again not really apples to apples.

    Now again to try to bill two hours before the game… 🙂

  40. The Original Chuck P

    March 4, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Who’s to say that Aumont’s not pissed at himself? Why isn’t it apples to apples?

    It’s ok to feel some Drabek remorse… he’s a great prospect… but I think that it’s unfair to criticize Aumont for not having great numbers at AA over less than half of a season and then completely disregard the fact that Kyle’s weren’t much better.

    Halladay… we can all agree on that

  41. Don M

    March 4, 2010 at 11:41 am

    saying that their overall numbers stacked-up . . . . that Aumont has a lower ERA, more K’s per 9 innings, etc..

    to me, shows that if we think Kyle Drabek has a chance to be an amazing pitcher

    then shouldn’t we also think that Aumont has a similar chance? Maybe a better chance based on numbers so far, and the fact that he’s younger (that “upside” I talked about the other day) ..

    or Maybe Drabek has the better combination of BULLDOG and DETERMINATION.. he could be a great one, but so too could Aumont

  42. christopher

    March 4, 2010 at 11:50 am

    i’ve been a fan of naylor’s for a while now, think it’s just a matter of time before he makes the majors.

  43. Manny

    March 4, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Don, I meant to say “When/If he actually starts putting up good numbers in AA”.. see post @10:27am

    In my mind, these prospects we got are so raw that it’s such a crapshoot! A very, very risky move. Call me risk-averse or whatever.

  44. Chuck

    March 4, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Manny…draft picks are even MORE of a “crapshoot”.

    I’d rather take my chances with prospects….ones that will start this year at AA.

  45. Manny

    March 4, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Definitely agree… but I was referring to the prospects we got… thinking we definitely could’ve done wayyy better in terms of getting guys a little more developed in the minors… when you compare single A players with draft picks, the difference isn’t that big! They’re both crapshoots… which reinforces my view that we would’ve been better off just keeping Lee.

    I’m definitely FOR having playoffs every year and thinking long-term.. BUT if nobody is gonna pay you the right price for a valuable player that you’re willing to let go, you’re better off not making the move at all.

  46. Don M

    March 4, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    One of those propsects is Aumont.. a “TOP 100 PROSPECT” (since that seems to be so important to everyone)… another, Tyson Gillies, was good enough, and thought of highly enough to play in the All-Star FUTURES game

    these aren’t exactly “random” prospects.. they are guys that have potential, and made a good impression on our talent-evaluators

  47. BurrGundy

    March 4, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Dump Aumont now

  48. pheeling it

    March 7, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    i take it back, it was aumonts first game. he pitched great today against the rays

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