2010 Gameday

Gameday: Marlins (6-5) at Phillies (8-2)

MarlinsFlorida Marlins (6-5) at Philadelphia Phillies (8-2)

Ricky Nolasco (0-0, 5.68) vs. Jamie Moyer (1-0, 7.50)

Time: 7:05, Citizens Bank Park

Weather: Partly cloudy, 54 degrees

TV: Comcast SportsNet

Twitter: @philliesnation and below

Kyle Kendrick’s frightening first two starts of the season put pressure squarely on one other member of the Phillies’ rotation: Jamie Moyer. If Kendrick’s struggles continue but the 47-year-old Moyer pitches moderately well, the Phillies probably will be able to get by – even if it means yanking Kendrick from the rotation and calling up a replacement from Triple-A Lehigh Valley – until Joe Blanton returns. (Blanton is set to make his first rehab start for Single-A Lakewood on Tuesday, putting him on track to return to the Phils in early May.)

On the other hand, if Moyer also fails to pitch consistently, the Phillies have a problem. In his season debut last Saturday, Moyer had a subpar outing against the Astros at Minute Maid Park, allowing five two-out runs in the third inning but rebounding to last six innings and ride the Ryan Howard Express to victory.

For Moyer’s second start of the season, two opposing trends collide. On one hand, we have the crafty veteran’s hypnotic powers against the Marlins (13-4, 2.93 ERA), a perpetually young team whose lineup has never met a pitch it didn’t think it could jack 450 feet into the upper deck. But last season the Fish seemed to finally figure out Moyer, beating him three times, including once each in August and September (to Moyer’s credit, the Phils scored a total of three runs in those games).

As pressing as the questions about the Phillies’ pitching staff are, their lineup has been a industrial-strength bottle of Wite-Out, erasing most of the crooked numbers put up by the team’s pitchers – speaking of which, does anyone use Wite-Out anymore? Well, considering his age and experience, if anyone on the Phillies roster knows the value of Wite-Out, it’s Jamie Moyer.

Your gameday beer: Truly one of the best beers in the world, Rodenbach Grand Cru, a Flanders red ale, is an absolute treat. Brewed with aged malt and yeast and then mixed with other old ales, it’s a fine collection of all-natural flavors — with a name befitting the Phillies roster. Has a distinct cherry taste. You can get it at Monk’s in Philly. I suggest it. Drink it with some smoked halibut.
Timothy Malcolm

Go Phillies!



  1. Lefty

    April 17, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Is Cole injured? Halladay pitched last night, so why is Moyer pitching?

  2. philsgirl

    April 17, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Halladay’s and Moyer’s starts were switched (it would have been Moyer’s turn yesterday). Cole pitches the Sunday afternoon game as scheduled.

  3. pheeling it

    April 17, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    i heard that roy halladay always pitches on 4 days rest, is that true? it could help out the whole rotation. roy halladay is such a beast after last night, true phillie. CLIFF LEE WHO!!!!! good luck by all means but enter the best pitcher in the league. bye bye cantu, cant do

  4. lH

    April 17, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Thanks for the beer tip Timothy. Maybe someone know what Cole Hamels record is when pitching day games. Jamie faces the young and impatient Marlins who should bite at every drifting ball. Hopefully he keeps them off-balanced with good pitch selection and control.

  5. Dave

    April 17, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Reason Cole isn’t pitching today is because Halladay was supposed to pitch today, but he and Moyer switched.

  6. Manny

    April 17, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    So what happened??! We were losing 2-0, I went to the bathroom for one minute, and I come back at it’s 5-0! WTF

  7. BurrGundy

    April 17, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Jamie Moyer is KILLING this team — KILLING IT !!! He makes $8.5 million and absolutely stinks this year. My friend Red McNertney said this at the beginning of the season, but I defended Moyer, regrettably.
    Moyer and Kendrick need to be shipped off and out. Both stink, both will KILL us this year. Moyer should show some dignity and simply retire. And Amaro was plain STUPID to sign this guy for two years — That money could be used for two decent pitchers. DAMN !!!! I need a nerve pill !!!

  8. teejvee

    April 17, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    What happened was that Ruben Amaro inadvisably traded Cliff Lee and now the Phils are stuck with a 47 yr old batting practice pitcher in their rotation.

  9. John K

    April 17, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    maybe if we all pool our money we can send it to Pedro c/o Ruben Amaro

  10. teejvee

    April 17, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    That’s my issue burrg.

    He has nothing to prove any more.

    Show some class and retire instead of painfully dragging it out

  11. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 7:29 pm




  12. Jim

    April 17, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    But he’s a good guy! Old men can relate to him! Did you know he skipped school to go to the 1980 parade? You probably didn’t know that – they never talk about it. He’s a wily veteran! He knows how to pitch! He’s like an extra pitching coach out there! He had 12 wins last year!

  13. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Pedro can touch 90’s…his change up is filthy…

    bring him back.

    When your fastball is 81 and your change is 79…theres not much difference…


  14. Ed R.

    April 17, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    I missed the 1st inning, were Moyer’s pitches flat?

    No offense to Moyer and what he has done over his career or even as a Phillie but it makes me sick that he is our 5th starter. Even worse, I have no idea who replaces him.

  15. teejvee

    April 17, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    To make matters worst-it’s V. Nolasco.

    He just has to throw his glove on the mound and the Phillies curl up into a ball and hide in a corner.

  16. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Ed…his pitches were typical Moyer pitches…
    he can only have a good game if the plate ump has a strike zone that is 50 feet wide.

    He got the lead off guy out. then single.walk.single.single.3 run bomb

    and I know who replaces him… PEDRO

  17. Ed R.

    April 17, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Thanks Joe.

    Pedro will need a month or two if he was signed today to replace him. Pretty sure the reason no one signed him is because they only see him as a half season option.

  18. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    well then get on it, Ruben.

    cause i can’t take this anymore.

    Joe is throwing a rehab start tuesday…so he could be back soon..then KK is gone..

    but Moyer has to be out…HAS TO

  19. Georgie

    April 17, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Ugh, missed the first inning, saw the score, knew it was Moyer pitching without even thinking about it. I think it may be time for him to retire.

  20. jeff

    April 17, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    This team will n ever win with this pitching. Kendrick moyer hamel. Reben stinks. Pedro is old and done. No lee

  21. Ed R.

    April 17, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Hamels will be fine.

  22. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    when Joe gets back…
    that’ll help.

    Doc, Hamels, Blanton, Haap…

    i can live with that

  23. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 7:57 pm


    who the hell is reben?

  24. BurrGundy

    April 17, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    I have a feeling that the starch is out of the Phils tonight, after the Old Man threw beach balls up for the Marlins in the first inning. They(Phils players) probably agree with us all about now being Moyer’s time to bid adeau. I hate to see it but I think Nolasco is going to wipe our asses tonight. I hope I am wrong.

  25. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    they look flat…

    can’t expect them to bail out every pitcher not named Doc.

    Moyer def. sucked the life out of them

  26. WFC010

    April 17, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    In Moyer’s defense, at least he hasn’t given up any runs after the first inning.

    That being said, the Phillies lineup is going to have to make something happen and soon. Was hoping that Utley’s hit would be the start of a rally, but then Ryan got an out.

    And why aren’t they at least working the pitch count more?

  27. WFC010

    April 17, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Well…at least Jayson seems to be trying to work the count.

  28. teejvee

    April 17, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    How long will Cholly let this Ibanez disaster fester?

  29. BurrGundy

    April 17, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Ibanez needs a couple of days off. That has helped slumping players in the past. We have Dobbs, Francisco and Gload who may be a lot more effective for a few games than Raul at this point. Nothing wrong with sitting a slumping player down and giving him a day or two off. Sometimes Cholly is a little too “old school.”

  30. philsgirl

    April 17, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    So far I’m using #9 and #8 of my top ten list from the stats article comment; I’m also changing #4 to “RAJ thought the phrase was ‘except for Roy Halladay there’s no *pitching* in baseball.” I’m not in the stands, but I may throw up uncontrollably anyway. We did this to ourselves.

  31. The Dipsy

    April 17, 2010 at 8:52 pm


    Phillies cut or trade Moyer by July 1 3:1 Howard batting average year .283 1/2
    Ibanez batting average year .269 1/2
    Lidge saves 23 1/2
    Madson saves 23 1/2
    Baez saves 7 1/2

    The Dipsy

  32. philsgirl

    April 17, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Geez, Ryan, what a great place for a clutch homer that was…

  33. The Dipsy

    April 17, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    They say prizefighters get old in one round of one fight – meaning it can happen just like that. It may be happening to Raul. It happened to Moyer last year, but we still owe him money, so we pretend that it hasn’t. So he keeps pitching. Honestly, I know guys in sports are schooled to get as much money as they can for as long as they can but Moyer oughta feel a little embarrassed to put that check in his pocket each week. Maybe he
    has direct deposit.

    The Dipsy

  34. philsgirl

    April 17, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Guess I jinxed us even praising the bats thus far. If Hamels doesn’t show up tomorrow, not boding well.

  35. BurrGundy

    April 17, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Moyer is no dummy. After all, he did negotiate that sugar-plum contract where he makes $8.5 million this year. After the game, he will initiate contact with Cholly Manuel and say” “Hell, Cholly, I was damn near perfect after the first inning. You gotta stand behind us guys, Cholly,”

    This will resonate in Cholly’s mind and he will virtually quote Moyer in the press conference. And, of course, Moyer will start another game.

  36. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 9:07 pm


    shut up.

  37. The Dipsy

    April 17, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Living with Moyer on my baseball team is kinda like living with my mother-in-law in my house. You just can’t wait til they’re…not…anymore.

    The Dipsy

  38. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    moyer needs to go.

    they just had a bad game tonight. that’s it…
    it’s one loss. they weren’t going to go 160-2.

    some of you people need to F’N relax

  39. philsgirl

    April 17, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Joe – what’d I say?

  40. Ben

    April 17, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    we dont’ really have a non-moyer option. pedro can’t make 15 starts this year, much less 25+. moyer settled in and gave us 6 innings, i dont’ think cole or KK has touched that yet.

    i’m not saying i’m thrilled with his performance, but he had one bad inning and otherwise pitched great.

  41. The Dipsy

    April 17, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Ben, you just described all Jamie Moyer’s outings to a tee:

    “Moyer settled in and gave us six innings” (I can give you six innings, but I would suck, too). “He had one bad inning but otherwise pitched great”. (Whereas I might spread my runs over a few innings).

    More of the same, please.

    The Dipsy

  42. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    great…he went 6 innings.

    he also put the team in a 5 run hole before they got off the field.

    you cant ask them to score 8 runs every night

    philsgirl..youre acting like if cole doesnt pitch well, the team is in trouble…

    its freakin APRIL

  43. The Dipsy

    April 17, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    The team IS in trouble if Cole doesn’t pitch well. Hows this for a rotation:

    Halladay, Blanton, Halladay, Happ, Halladay

  44. Ed R.

    April 17, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Well at least the best offense in baseball didn’t get goose egged.

  45. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Dipsy COME ON.

    IT’S APRIL..

    my god… relax.

    on another note… day game. lefty going for marlins… i gotta think Raul takes a seat for Benny Fran

  46. The Dipsy

    April 17, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    I don’t need to look at the calender when it comes to Jamie Moyer. He sucks 12 months out of the year. At least he’s cheap. No, wait…he costs a fortune. My bad.

    The Dipsy

  47. joe

    April 17, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    i’m with you on Moyer sucking.

    i just think it’s a little early to say they’re in trouble if Cole has an iffy outing

  48. The Dipsy

    April 17, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Oh no. I thought someone meant if Cole didn’t pitch well this year. My bad again.

    The Dipsy

  49. BurrGundy

    April 17, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    All games are important. We should get hyper-stressed in April, because we have a whole season to worry. A game in April is just as valuable as a game in September. Getting stressed is part of the fun and the fabulous journey of Fandom.

  50. philsgirl

    April 17, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Joe, only because KK is kinda a write-off and now we’ve seen Jamie against a contender in our own division. It seems like a few other people are concerned as well. Also, Cole is our #2 so you sort of hope *he* pitches well, and not just tomorrow…

    No, I don’t think we should have to score 8 runs every night, or even 6, that’s the point. Yeah, it’s April. We don’t have a lot of n’s to talk about. Early to fully extrapolate. But not early to be a little worried.

    To stave off further negativity, will withhold all planned Ibanez commentary.

  51. Scott in D.C.

    April 17, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Nolasco wins this ballgame tonight, no matter who’s pitching on the other side…

  52. robmeister

    April 17, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    At this rate Halladay will be all “used up” by the end of the year along with the bullpen-other than Halladay and some good innings by Happ, the Phillies pitching has stunk! Let’s face it, just like tonight, the Phillies are not going to average 8 runs per game and in a short series against a team that has a few good starters, they’re doomed!

  53. philsgirl

    April 17, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    Joe – please tell robmeister to shut up. He’s so negative.

  54. WFC010

    April 17, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    As bad as Jamie was in that first inning, it was still only 5 runs…and the Phillies had plenty of time to even the score but they didn’t.

  55. philsgirl

    April 18, 2010 at 12:05 am

    “Only 5 runs” is kind of an oxymoron; only 2 or 3 runs maybe, against better than bottom-of-the-barrel teams, esp given our bullpen. But given our 5-slot options, we have to expect some losses. Hamels doing poorly tomorrow doesn’t mean we throw in our towels but hopefully it’s not indicative of a trend, and since it’s apparently not hard to get into his head (or for him to miss with a curve), it will be good for morale all around to see a well-pitched game against the Fish by our #2. A lot of folks are hoping he’s not a one-season wonder, and anxiously awaiting Blanton’s return.
    And BurrGundy is right; a win in April is no less valuable than a win in September.

  56. Ted Bell

    April 18, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Where’s Braden Looper when you need him?

  57. Phylan

    April 18, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Considering Hamels a “one year wonder” is the quickest, most efficient way to convey the fact that you started watching baseball in 2008.

  58. WFC010

    April 18, 2010 at 12:39 am

    5 runs is a hell of a lot to give up in a single inning, but my point is that the Phillies offense usually doesn’t have a lot of problems scoring 5 runs in a game, but they looked very lethargic tonight.

    We all knew that there would be some games like this, and even Cy Young himself couldn’t have won this one for us with the run support tonight.

  59. brett

    April 18, 2010 at 12:47 am

    looks like moyer lost a few more losses and the moyer band wagon fans will be dropping like flies.

  60. Phylan

    April 18, 2010 at 12:54 am

    To compound the starting pitching problems, Jim Salisbury is reporting that J.A. Happ has left forearm discomfort and may miss his next start.

  61. WFC010

    April 18, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Did Moyer even have a bandwagon this year?

    Everyone was writing him off as being done before the season even began.

    Anyway, Moyer pitched well enough his past 2 starts except that he had 1 big inning in each start, and the first time we overcame it…but not tonight.

    He could still be a legitimate #5, but he NEEDS to stop the big innings.

  62. WFC010

    April 18, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Crap…so now Happ is possibly heading for the DL, or is his next start just going to be postponed?

  63. Phylan

    April 18, 2010 at 1:07 am

    No real word on anything like that yet. Read it here — http://tinyurl.com/y6wj9bh courtesy of Amanda, actually

  64. brett

    April 18, 2010 at 1:09 am

    @WFC010 well apparently here at phillies nation moyer has some fans after i said hes done for people were saying hes still good and all this. a few more losses and they wont be backing him at all.

  65. philsgirl

    April 18, 2010 at 2:59 am

    Okay, Phylan, have had to admit to being older way too often, and, again, fan since early 70’s. I just don’t expect to ever see Hamels in 2008 form again, if I have to more carefully choose words. But, honestly, the whole accusing people of not being fans or just jumping on the bandwagon is getting older than me; I’ve seen it done on this site to others, who also take umbrage since they’ve too been long-time fans, and it’s mean and presumptuous and here, seemingly personal. I also don’t think Lidge will be back to 2008 form, either, but I don’t think that implies I’m not a fan or how long I’ve been following the Phils. This is an interesting site with varied viewpoints and up-to-date info, and generally few personal attacks. It’s about the team, not each other, right? We’re all on the same side.

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