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2010 Gameday

Gameday: Red Sox (23-21) at Phillies (26-16)

Boston Red Sox (23-21) at Philadelphia Phillies (26-16)

Tim Wakefield, RHP (0-2, 5.31 ERA) vs. Roy Halladay, RHP (6-2, 1.64 ERA)

Time: 1:35, Citizens Bank Park
Weather: Showers, 67
TV: MyPHL 17
Twitter: @philliesnation

UPDATE: Big news – Zach Galifanakis and Bradley Cooper are throwing out the first pitch for todays game.  Nice!

That was a close one. Daisuke Matsuzaka nearly no-hit the Phillies last night following a start in which he couldn’t get through five innings and gave up seven earned runs.  Today is a different story, as Roy Halladay takes the mound in search of his 7th victory.  The kids call it “Win Day” when Doc takes the hill. And rightfully so.

Halladay was the hard luck loser last time out against Pittsburgh, going the distance and tossing 132 pitches as the Phils lost 2-1. He’s facing a much more potent lineup today, however, he’s seen them a good deal in his illustrious career. The Doc is just 14-14 in 38 career starts vs. BOS, with an ERA of 4.28. His best work clearly hasn’t been against the Sawks, but this is also a different team than he’s seen before.

Today’s Red Sox lineup has Victor Martinez and Kevin Youkilis in it – both were absent from yesterday’s order. Both are All-Stars, both know Halladay well.  On the mound is the rubber-armed Tim Wakefield.  The story goes, “if it’s high left it fly, if it’s low let it go” with that nasty knuckler.  You’ll usually know if he’s on from the first inning.  This season, he hasn’t been as crisp, but he’s also pushing 50.  Patience is the key for the Phillies bats today.

Polly and Chooch get the day off today after a night game yesterday. Nothing there, just a routine resting day.

Tonight’s Lineup:Victorino (CF), Dobbs (3B), Utley (2B), Howard (1B), Werth (RF), Ibanez (LF), Castro (SS), Hoover (C), Kendrick (P).

Your gamenight beer: Philadelphia Fleur de Lehigh

Philadelphia Brewing Company makes some so-so beers, but this one is probably their best concoction. It was their first Select Ale and now Fleur de Lehigh is part of the regular line up for the summer months. This unfiltered golden ale is brewed with chamomile, rhubarb, ginger, rose hips, and lemon grass; then fermented with our Belgian yeast strain to provide a uniquely full flavored yet highly drinkable spring/summer brew. 4.2 % abv makes it manageable for a six pack. Grab some at our favorite establishment, The Grey Lodge Pub – it’s on tap now. –By Pat




  1. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Woo hoo! Howard manages to hold back long enough to take a 4-pitch walk!

  2. NJ Phils Fan

    May 23, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    I’ve got a small feeling that after Dice-K’s performance last night, Doc will counter with a no hitter. Just a feeling.

  3. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Tch. Ah well, we’re off to a better start than last night: two baserunners, even though we left them on base.

  4. NJ Phils Fan

    May 23, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Well, so much for that.

  5. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Aw crap. I leave the room for a minute and we give up a run.

  6. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    I just had this idea, seeing Charlie and Moyer talking in the dugout: How about Moyer to replace Charlie as manager in a year or two, perhaps even as a player-manager for a year or two? Moyer obviously is in no hurry to leave the game, although my impression is that he is something of an a-hole (I say this because I saw him one time shout “Don’t miss it!” on a high foul pop to Ruiz, just as he was settling under it). Has this been bandied about at all in Philly?

  7. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    I never had the impression that he was an a-hole; I always had the impression that he was a good mentor to the younger players. I think he would be a great coach.

  8. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    (“the younger players ” — are there any who aren’t younger? But you know what I mean)

  9. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    I never had that impression, either. He’s been one of my favorite players since long before he came to the Phils. But I couldn’t believe that play. Seems like the kind of thing that would make your teammates hate you. But maybe it was just a one-time thing.

  10. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Was he actually shouting it? Maybe he was just saying it to himself, but you could see his mouth moving? It does seem like an odd thing to do.

  11. Ed R.

    May 23, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Moyer is a great guy from what I am told. And if he does decide to coach anywhere, pretty sure it will be on the west coast. He still owns a home in Seattle.

  12. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    He was definitely shouting it. You could even hear it on the broadcast.

    Boy this game is moving along. I love it.

  13. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 2:15 pm


    OK, let’s try something different today: Let’s NOT leave him on base!

  14. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Argh. I said NOT leave him on base!

  15. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Ruh roh

  16. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Nice play, Dobbs. Bleh.

  17. Ed R.

    May 23, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    How does Greg Dobbs still have a job? From a DP to a 2 run error.

  18. Manny

    May 23, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    WOW Greg Dobbs…. WOW

  19. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    That’s a little league mistake. His glove was nowhere near the ground.

  20. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    God, that kind of thing makes me so mad. That’s a mental mistake, not a physical mistake. Dobbs isn’t good enough not to play smart. Darling also made a good point, that maybe this isn’t the best day to rest Polanco, with a groundball pitcher on the mound. I love Daring as an announcer, even though he’s a Met, I think he’s one of the best.

  21. Manny

    May 23, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Plus, we have an off day tomorrow anyway..

  22. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Running situation? Got to get something going. Wakefield’s got the good knuckleball today.

  23. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Good point, Manny.

  24. philsgirl

    May 23, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Argh. Dobbs for the Jeltz so far this game..

  25. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    No doubt about it, philsgirl.

    Does anyone who’s played a little more baseball than I have know if Werth made the right play in that last inning? He was going back to second on Castro’s chopper to third with two out. On the one hand, you “go on anything” with two out, but I can also see how you don’t want to give the third baseman the opportunity to tag you out or something if he bobbles it.

  26. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    We’ve had a base runner in 3 out of 4 innings, but no runs…

  27. drtyjerz

    May 23, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    streakiest lineup ever= long season. 2 “L’s” in a row for doc.

  28. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 2:57 pm


  29. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Wow, that was a terrible pitch. Is Halladay’s shaky (for him) performance today a result of Manuel throwing him out there for nine innings and 132 pitches in a loss to the PIrates last time out the cause?

  30. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    The Red Sox are not hitting good pitches. These are bad pitches.

  31. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Un – effing – believable

  32. The Man with No Name

    May 23, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    OK, you guys see Halliday as a work horse. I see him as a guy who will soon have dead arm. I see a guy who is placing bad pitches.
    Gee lets let him go for another complete game. All this week there have been articles about watching his pitch count. Let’s see if Charlie follows through or is going to let Halliday run things.
    Get him out of there at the end of this inning. Save him for the post season. That makes more sense than watdhing him go the distance.

  33. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    They’re looking at taking Halladay out early. Looks like they should. He’s throwing meatballs today.

  34. The Man with No Name

    May 23, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    It is getting to where I do not want to tune in when Halliday pitches, because he is like the little kid who’s parent donates money to the school. No matter what is good for the team, it is OK as long as the little boy gets his way. I see dead arm coming sooner than you think.

  35. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    What the hell was that??

  36. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Four of these runs can be attributed to imperfect defense, Victorino could have caught Youkilis’ double, Dobbs boots the double play, now Castro boneheads in Scutaro.

  37. Ed R.

    May 23, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    As bad as that looked by Castro it was actually a pretty smart play.

  38. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Agreed, bureaucratist — Halladay has been weaker than usual, but the defense has made a lot of bonehead moves. Throw to third when the runner is already on his way home? What was that?

  39. Jeff

    May 23, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Listen gang. Our offense is so streaky but you are not winning with Dobbs, Castro, and Hoover in the lineup. Not happening. Also I have never liked Charlie. I understand we won with him. The NL is so wattered down with teams. Hey even Phil Jackson had jordan and kobe to win. By keeping Doc out for 130 pitches in a werthless game in May against the Pirates is CRAZY. We got him for the playoffs and series. That game could of taken a toll on his arm. That Manuel at times. He does not know how to use his pitching staff. He likes hitting. Also Im sorry to keep beating a dead horse. I would of kept Lee and then brought up Drabek. I am so sorry we got rid of Kyle. Just so exciting having that kind of young stud pitching. I get jealous with the Nats young kid. Drabek, Lee, Hamels, Happ, and Blanton. Not to shabby.

  40. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    (sigh) this ugly inning is over. Now can we *PLEASE* turn on the offense?

  41. The Man with No Name

    May 23, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    It does not matter about the defense. He is not crisp anylonger at 80 pitches and above. As I griped about early in the season. We are over using out pitchers and not just Halliday. Our bullpen is not that bad that we have to leave guys in for complete games.
    This is a different decade of players. The arms are not brought up to go that far. They have already said Halliday has pitched more innings and higher pitch counts than any season in his career. Gee lets go for another record.
    OK, enough griping, I just want to see us have at least five starting pitchers in the post season, and not two and and half.

  42. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    I can’t agree, Ed R. That play gives the Red Sox a chance to score, whereas throwing him denies them that chance, even if you give up the chance for an out. All this especially considering that Scutaro is running, and he’s the type of player to make that kind of play, given his speed and scrappy nature.

  43. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    I meant, “throwing HOME denies them that chance”

  44. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    OK, seriously guys, runner at 3rd with one out. You have to at least score him.

  45. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Well, the defense “matters,” Man With No Name, but I agree with your main point. That having been said, maybe the bullpen has looked so good in part because the starters have been so overused, and if they hadn’t the bullpen would not look so good and so we’d all be wanting Charlie to pitch the starters deeper.


  46. Ed R.

    May 23, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Did you see where Castro’s body was taking him? He had a better chance of throwing a ball 10 feet above Hoover’s head than he did of actually getting the ball to home plate.

  47. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Boy, Howard looked great there.

  48. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:15 pm


  49. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    5 runners LOB so far this game.

  50. Ed R.

    May 23, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    This is disgusting…this team in one week is going to lose to two guys who had era’s over 5 coming into the game and got one hit by a guy with an era near 8 coming into the game…and they scored a grand total of 1 run in those three loses…1 run.

  51. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    That “reality show” commercial series is about the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen.

  52. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Wow, that replay really showed that Youkils’ play was probably better than Beltre’s.

  53. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Damn, Ed R., you’ve really put it in perspective. When you put it like that, it is freaking disgusting. The inconsistency of this offense is hugely frustrating. Inconsistency and an inability to get runners in scoring position home feels like the bad old days I grew up with.

  54. Jeff

    May 23, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    the redsox are just an average team. big poppi is done using the juice. they are old. our offense is so up and down. thats why pitchers can throw big games against us. howard just doesnt strike fear in other pitchers. they know he gets himself out.

  55. The Man with No Name

    May 23, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Well the defense matters, but not one you are putting the ball on a Tee for them. I hope they just give Halliday a coulple of starte with only six of seven innings and a pitch count of 85 to 90 pitches.

    OK! Sorry for saying Defense does not matter….!
    Frustration maybe!

  56. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Wow, it sounds like they’re cheering the Ellsbury catch at Citizens Bank. Are there really that many Red Sox fans there? If so, that really sucks.

  57. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    OK, we’ve got a double, but will this become a run or a 7th LOB?

  58. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Just giving you a little elbow in the ribs, Man w/No Name 🙂 .

  59. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:31 pm


  60. BurrGundy

    May 23, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    This is probably Dobbs’ last year in Philly and he might be decent trade bait to bolster our bullpen. Also, Halladay comes back to earth. Only one strikeout. He will dominate again. He is no god, just one helluva pitcher. It’s great to see Hamels pitching well and Blanton rounding into form. By the way, how is Happ progressing?

  61. Ted Bell

    May 23, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Greg Dobbs has absolutely no trade value…that’s purely wishful thinking. I wouldn’t count on seeing Happ anytime soon. These vague, under the radar injuries where little information is given often times are the ones that turn into Tommy John surgery in the end. I hope not, but something’s going on that we don’t know about…

    I’m Ted Bell.

  62. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Re Happ: He had a good bullpen session recently, but hasn’t had any rehab starts yet.

  63. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    I hope this game is the equivalent of a bad case of the runs, and we get all this crap out of our system all at once.

  64. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    More like a bad case of the lack-of-runs. :^D

  65. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    The trots, then, Tracey 🙂 .

  66. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Woo hoo! We scored a run! No shut out!

  67. bureaucratist

    May 23, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Werth has 22 freaking doubles??? That’s pace for about 85, single-season record is 67 by Spud Webb.

  68. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    WOO HOO!!! Thank you Gload!!!

  69. Tracey

    May 23, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    (sigh) But at least it’s not a shut out, or a completely embarassing loss. And we’re still comfortably in the lead in the division. We always have trouble in interleague games.

  70. Mulvi

    May 23, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Interleague sucks!

  71. BurrGundy

    May 23, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    I thought we could ask the Detroit Tigers to send us Justin Verlander for Greg Dobbs. A clean swap.

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