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Phillies Top Fish, Move to Three Games Up

It wasn’t pretty, but the Phillies now hold a three-game lead in the National League East with 15 games left to play.

Behind an impressive night from their lineup, the Phillies carried Roy Halladay to his 19th win as they topped the Marlins 10-5 to sweep the series and capitalize on the Atlanta Braves loss earlier in the afternoon.

Doc didn’t have his best stuff, scattering ten hits over six innings, but he did strike out nine Florida batters without walking anybody. Charlie Manuel continued to baffle fans with his use of the bullpen as he put his two anchors, Ryan Madson and Brad Lidge into another game where there services probably shouldn’t have been used.

Madson cruised in the eighth inning, however the same cannot be said for Lidge as he walked three batters, gave up one hit and also allowed an earned run before being pulled with the bases loaded for Jose Contreras who picked up the save.

Before tonight, Lidge had been dominating, allowing just one earned run over his previous 17.1 IP. With the stretch run upon us, back to back days of rest couldn’t have hurt either Lidge or Madson, but a win is a win.

Wilson Valdez provided some strength from the eight-hole, going 3-5 with 2 RBI. Chase Utley hit his 15th home run of the season, the only one for the Phillies on the evening. Utley, Ryan Howard, Jayson Werth and Raul Ibanez all scored two runs in the effort as well.

Perhaps even more impressive was the fact that Phillies only struck out four times as a team and drew six walks, three of which by Ryan Howard.

Halladay will get an extra day’s rest on each of his next two starts, which might be what the doctor ordered. Closing in on 250 innings, it is safe to say Halladay isn’t dominating the way he was early in the season. Since his dominance of the Mets on August 20th, Halladay has seen his ERA jump from 2.16 to 2.49 despite winning his last three starts.



  1. SAM

    September 15, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Unfortunately I didn’t get to see the game tonight because I worked late. I did get to see the highlights when I got home though. It is good to see that Charlie is wising up when it comes to Brad Lidge. If the guy doesn’t have it … yank him!!! That do or die with Lidge no matter what is a bunch of BS. Every game counts now!!!

  2. Andrew from waldorf

    September 15, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Big win.

    Dont look to much into the Lidge stuff either way.
    The old man shouldnt have used him yes.
    I think more than anything he just wanted to get brad some work. Once it was going bad he pulled him.
    I dont think he will ever pull him in the 9th in a save situation.
    Brad got some work. He didnt throw insane amount of pitches. Thats that. It was probably 75% dont use tongiht 25% use. The old man used him. Hes always unorthodoxed.
    Bottom line I am no more or less worried abotu Lidge than I was 2 days ago. And I wasnt really worried about him at all 2 days ago.

  3. Nunzio Scholeri

    September 15, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    I am not liking this whole 6-7 innings, 3-4 ER version of Halladay we have in September. I really hope the extra days of rest helps him get it together – we need him in top form if we’re gonna make it to (and through) the playoffs.

  4. pheeling it

    September 16, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Halladay pitched fine, and I think when the playoffs come will be Roy Halladays best. He’s been waiting his whole career for this, but I do think he should get plenty of rest til then.

  5. bacardipr05

    September 16, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Im in agreement with Nunzio….

  6. Andrew from waldorf

    September 16, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Halladay on extra rest for one more pressure start.
    The second start will be a 6 inning no pressure start to keep him sharp. He will be fine. He will win the Cy Young award.

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  8. Brooks

    September 16, 2010 at 12:25 am

    He probably did better tonight than the last 4 outings Nunzio – but the days rest should do him good.

    Sole possesion of the CY candidacy now with 19 wins, 210 K’s – 2 more starts, at least 1 has to be a W for doc.

    Phils are looking real good now, start a 9 game home stand and the Braves start 9 games away. So far, the Phils are 12-3 in September and the Braves are 6-9 – and now 3 games behind. Braves are 4-7 this month vs teams under .500. The Phils are 11-3 vs the scrubs.

    We need to maintain winning over the scrub teams, no more ‘Playing to the level of the competition’ crap. With 12 games left in this month, winning 8 would put us at 94 wins going into Atlanta to finish it all.

    Damn, this is good stuff –

  9. Ryan

    September 16, 2010 at 1:03 am

    Keep in mind, Cliff Lee had a terrible run in late August-September last season, yet he cranked it up a notch or two in the playoffs.

    I also think Halladay would have been more stingy if his lead was smaller. You usually don’t see him around 110 pitches after 6 innings like that…

    I think that Halladay will be fine. He keeps us in games every outting.

  10. Ryan

    September 16, 2010 at 1:05 am

    What stuff is good Brooks? I want some…

  11. Andrew from waldorf

    September 16, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Atlantas wild card lead down to .5
    How can anyone see them making it? SF and Colorado are playing well. SD is even playing better.

    Enjoy your retirement Bobby.
    To win 1 championship with all that talent is a true accomplishment.
    Managed the Braves since 79 and 1 title. But a lock hall of famer?
    Charlie already has as many titles. Hall of fame? I say so if the Phils win another.

  12. biz

    September 16, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Doc’s going to win the Cy Young. And as for the playoffs, I think you’ll see him at his best. Keep in mind that these last few games he’s pitched, while he hasn’t looked really sharp, he’s still getting quality starts. That really speaks to his skill level that even when he’s not on his game, he’s still going 6 or 7 and giving up 3. A lot of pitchers are fatigued right now. Look at Waino, Latos, Carp, Hudson, these are all big money pitchers and they are tired. Doc will get his second wind. And I’ll take a sub-par Doc over 90% of the league anyway. The 2010 Phillies are not the 08 or 09 Phillies. This is a pitching team. And when the bats are hot, they can really lay it on you offensively. I don’t see these guys being denied their 3rd straight trip to the WS. And I don’t see how they’re going to lose 4 games in a series to anyone. They’re 38-15 in their last 53. that’s .700+ baseball. This is the best team in baseball.

  13. Nunzio Scholeri

    September 16, 2010 at 2:33 am

    Oh, I’m sure Halladay will be fine, don’t get me wrong. It’s just a shame to see him slipping a little bit. Still, the way Hamels and Oswalt have been pitching I feel freakin’ great about this team. Halladay will turn it on when he finally gets to those playoffs he’s been dreaming of his entire career, and Hamels and Oswalt already know how to get it done… You go into a playoff series with those 3, knowing that at WORST 2 of them will dominate and one will be damn solid, and you are in a very good place.

  14. Brooks

    September 16, 2010 at 5:32 am

    I remember in 07 it was hard to believe it finally happened or the way that it happened on the final day of the regular season. The post season was cut way too short.

    In 08, it too was great and when we won series after series in the playoffs, it was almost like I was unprepared for the emotional erruption – like, it happened and I couldn’t believe it.

    In 09, I was astounded that the Yanks beat us – plain and simple, they shouldn’t have.

    This year, I have been pumped from the get – I laid down money like a screwball and got the full season package – after all, our lineup barring injury, is unstoppable – bang, slip, smash! Then Doc was better than most of us could imagine, Cole was looking better each start and yet most of us were looking for that boiling point when game after great game he pitched the Phils O did nothing. And the 2.5 month offensive layoff – It made me sick – a lot of you remember my ranting on and on but the last thing I said was “this is nothing that 8 out of 10 wins wont fix..” and here we are. The best record in the NL, a nice 3 game lead over the stinkin Braves and just 3 more weeks till Post Season.

    I’m not quite exhausted – damn close to it emotionally – this is good stuff.

  15. NJ

    September 16, 2010 at 6:40 am

    It’s funny how one minute Doc’s largely NL best numbers aren’t good enough to win the CY, couple of weeks later after some more human starts he could very well be the front runner.

    I wouldn’t for a second worry about Doc not being untouchable, he’s the leader in a trio of guys who will adapt to do what it takes to win every start, we’re the ones who care about the numbers not them.

    Numbers aren’t looking so bad on offense either, I don’t see a single guy who doesn’t look to be at least having a decent year by the numbers.

  16. bfo_33

    September 16, 2010 at 7:00 am

    I could care less if Doc gets the Cy Young (although he deserves it, in the top 5 in every pitching category, with more than half at #1)- he already has 1. He needs a ring. Not worried about Lidge either – he has never pitched well in non-save situations.

  17. George

    September 16, 2010 at 8:42 am

    I don’t really agree that Lidge should not have been used last night. He spent most of the week sitting due to his elbow, and needed the work. There is no better way to get the kinks out than a non-save situation. He obviously wasn’t sharp, and although he did pitch the night before, lack of work is probably why he walked so many this time. He’ll be fine.

  18. The Original Chuck P

    September 16, 2010 at 9:11 am

    I don’t think Lidge or Madson really needed the work… they need the rest. That’s what I think… I’m not the one making the calls but the only way I would throw either of them into a no-save situation is if they haven’t pitched in 3+ days. He had just pitched the night before and could be called upon in this upcoming series (Nats have been swinging ’em well).

    Cy is pretty much in the bag for Doc. Has to be… perfect game, *20 wins, top 5 in almost every major pitching category, more complete games than any pitcher in baseball.

    His last couple starts have been against Sosa last night and Jennry Mejia who gave up 6 runs in 4 innings… those games were over early and I imagine that Roy, being human, loses interest when he knows that the game is in hand. I mean, at some point, he has to start thinking, “Let’s just get this thing over with.”

    Love this team… love this season. They smell it. The opportunity is there to be considered one of the best of all time. This rotation, this lineup, the adversity that they have overcome… as good as we’ve been playing, I think that there is a monster waiting to emerge. I’m thinking that we haven’t seen the best of this team…

  19. Kate

    September 16, 2010 at 10:26 am

    While Lidge’s arm does need to be rested, they also have to skirt the fine line of putting him in after a long rest and being rusty. I think Charlie did exactly what he was supposed to do last night — give Lidge a chance after a solid inning prior to last night and then pulled the plug when it was apparent he didn’t have his good stuff.

    I can’t give Contreras enough credit for picking up the save last night. He made it look appallingly easy, despite the extra run that was given up (and charged to Lidge).

  20. Chuck

    September 16, 2010 at 10:32 am

    I’m not gonna read too much into the Lidge thing…unless the wheels come completely off the cart during his next outing. Day off today is good. As far as I’m concerned…no harm, no foul.

    Halladay SHOULD get the Cy. Two (maybe three chances for 20). The guy’s amazing, to say the least. I’m not worried about him being “overworked’ for the playoffs. He’ll be up for it, no doubt in my mind.

  21. Bacardipr05

    September 16, 2010 at 10:46 am

    I wonder if a 15 run lead is enough before Cholly puts in JC Romero?

  22. betasigmadeltashag

    September 16, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    THere is still 15 games left and I do not care who says what percent chance they have to make the post season. Until their magic number is 0 like 4 games up on the Braves with 3 games left will I expect them to be in the post season.
    I will say I do not see why you use Lidge, Madson, or Durbin for that matter. It should have been Bastardo, and or JC, Contrerous, Woorley, Zaguaski, any of them in the 6th and if they did not work then you go to Durbin. Up 9-3/4 you do not use your go to guys, maybe in July or August if they have not work for 3-5 days you throw them out there to get some work. Lidge just had what 5 days off and came in and look pretty good. I would not even like to see him in back to back games.
    And do not sleep on the Nats, they have caused us problems this year and this is not the time to let up, I do not think these Phillies will, but as fans nothing is gurenteed until the final pitch is thrown

  23. George

    September 16, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    In their last appearances, Herndon gave up, I believe, 3 runs, and Romero gave up 2 runs. That would have made the game so close, Lidge would have been needed anyway. There are reasons why Manuel doesn’t use those other guys very much.

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