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Why Flande, Sanchez Were Released

While several free agent and potential trade names have been floated around at this week’s Winter Meetings in Orlando, Florida, with the Phillies organization attached to them, the moves that the Phils have actually made were of minimal impact at the minor league level.  In an effort to clear space on their 40-man roster, the Phillies released pitchers Yohan Flande (pictured) and Jesus Sanchez.

Flande, a Dominican lefty hurler that will turn 25 years old prior to spring training, is currently pitching for the Toros in the Dominican Winter Baseball League. In 6 games (4 starts), Flande has posted a 1-1 record with a 4.91 ERA and a .303 batting average against, for the Toros. In 27 starts for the Double A Reading Phillies this year, Flande went 10-8 with a 4.38 ERA.

The right-handed Sanchez performed well this season with the High A level Clearwater Threshers as a starting pitcher. In 23 games (22 starts), Sanchez, who turned 23 years old after the season, posted a 9-7 record with a 2.99 ERA. Sanchez was a key pitcher on the Lakewood BlueClaws team that won the South Atlantic League championship in 2009. He was also the last remaining player that the Phillies acquired in the trade that sent Bobby Abreu to the Yankees in 2006.

Flande and Sanchez were among players added to the Phillies’ 40-man roster in November 2009 to protect them from last year’s Rule 5 draft, the annual selection process aimed at preventing teams from stock piling too much talent in the minors and leaving players there to relatively waste away. Each pitcher is now available to any team that wants to claim them off waivers.  Currently, the Phillies’ 40-man roster sits at 38 total players.

According to multiple reports, the Phillies will attempt to reach new contractual agreements with Flande and Sanchez. Each pitcher would need to clear waivers before that happens.

What do these moves translate to? The Phillies likely have their sights set on some players, that they feel two 40-man roster spots could be better utilized on.  Those players could be new Major League acquisitions or prospects they’ll target in the Rule 5 draft this coming Thursday, December 9th. And with so many pitching prospects outshining Flande and Sanchez this season, the organization must not feel too concerned about potentially losing one or both of these individuals.

MANUEL AND AMARO AT LAKEWOOD

In other news from the organization, the Lakewood BlueClaws announced that their parent club, the Phillies, would be making a stop at the Woodlake Country Club in Lakewood, NJ on Wednesday, January 26th, 2011, as part of the club’s Winter Tour. Phillies manager Charlie Manuel and general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. will be on hand. Registration for the dinner event is $40 per person and proceeds will benefit BlueClaws charities. To sign up, click here, or contact Amy DeMichele at 732-901-7000 ext 172.

164 Comments

164 Comments

  1. bfo_33

    December 8, 2010 at 8:51 am

    I get Flande, but kind of surprised about Sanchez. He’s only been a pitcher for a few years, has had early success, and seems to have a ton of potential. I guess you can’t keep everyone, yet seems like Zagurski or Bocock would have been the better choices to leave off.

  2. The Dipsy

    December 8, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Why are players that we don’t need anymore, players that we could care less if other teams just took them for nothing, protected on the 40 man. For instance, I think that we would all be happy if Ibanez was claimed by another team makes, or Baez. Why do we have to protect them. I honestly don’t know the rule.

    The Dipsy

  3. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Thats a good point there, there must be an obvious reason why players who would go unclaimed are protected (unless they aren’t)…

    Flande’s understandable but Sanchez is a surprise, maybe the Phils already reached out to work out a minor league deal.

  4. George

    December 8, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Ibanez and Baez were kept because if released, the Phils still have to pay them. Would anyone really want either of them playing for someone else (even if they’re not playing particularly well) while the Phils are paying their multi-million dollar salaries?

    Some of these decisions, too, are based on team needs and player experience. Bockock and Zagurski have ML playing time, Sanchez, on the other hand, is probably three years away. Zagurski could end up as the second bullpen lefty, and, as last year showed, injuries could very well produce the need for a reserve like Bocock.

  5. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Dipsy just wants to jettison Raul at whatever cost.

  6. Dan

    December 8, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Congratulations to that Lakewood squad. They are an exciting and talented group and hopefully some of them will be bringing their winning ways to Citibank park. I read Mark Parent say that 8 or 9 of the players on that team will be major-leaguers.

  7. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 10:35 am

    I meant why aren’t veterans on big deals teams are trying to move unprotected in the rule 5 draft itself or are they? I get you need to free space before the draft but I’ll echo Dispy’s curiosity on that point.

  8. Ted Bell

    December 8, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Ibanez would need to be put on waivers (nobody would claim him), and after he cleared the Phillies would still be responsible for his salary (even after he caught on with another team). This isn’t the NFL, all these deals are guaranteed. They don’t even have a rightfielder at the moment, as bad as he is I don’t see the point in releasing Ibanez and creating another vacant position. They would still be paying him.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  9. Marc H

    December 8, 2010 at 10:49 am

    I was hoping that Jesus Sanchez would make it to the Phillies, just so there would be some tangible benefits from the Bobby Abreau trade.

  10. Marc H

    December 8, 2010 at 10:52 am

    If they spot play/platoon him, I think that they can milk one more productive year from Ibanez. Plus, nice guys deserve the benefit of the doubt. After 2011, they will get some salary relief (Lidge and Ibanez).

  11. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 10:55 am

    The Abreu trade was painful at the time but as bad as it looks it was the

    It would have made no sense to release a guy like Ibanez but it may in theory make sense if he’s unprotected in the rule 5 draft to enable someone else to be protected. Does anyone have any information directly on that point?

  12. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 10:56 am

    ^The Abreu trade was painful at the time but as bad as it looks it was the first move in shedding the Wade-mediocre mentality and building a winner….

  13. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 10:56 am

    In re Ibanez:

    “As bad as he is” ???

    I grant you, he’s not the greatest player on the planet….But he DID carry the Phillies the first half of ’09 and almost carried him the second half of ’10. When guys like Rollins, Utley, Howard and Vic were either on the DL or scuffling…..Raul stepped up in a big way. He’s a MAJOR reason that we went on that late-season tear.

  14. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 10:58 am

    ^ almost carried THEM the second half of ’10

  15. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Marc H- it’s not just Ibaenz and Lidge, it’s Rollins, Madson, Gload, Schneider, Baez all with their contracts up at the end of this year.

  16. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 11:01 am

    To me the only issue with Ibanez is because he’s not really someone we can put behind Howard there’s a problem unless a RH RBI bat can be put in RF. Ibanez does deserve more credit than he’s given.

  17. Ted Bell

    December 8, 2010 at 11:03 am

    I think they should pretty much platoon in both LF and RF. I’d also rest Utley, Rollins, and Polanco three games a month (at a minimum). There would be a lot of benefits to making those guys 145 game players (which will pay off in September/October). Dusty Baker really got a good year out of a 35 year old Scott Rolen by resting him on day games after night games or on the day before/after an off day.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  18. Ted Bell

    December 8, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Chuck – Ibanez is no longer a good player. Sorry. He did not “carry” them in the second half. He simply played better than he did in the first half. There’s a big difference.

    If he was placed on waivers, no team would be foolish enough to claim him. That’s reality.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  19. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Again…over the last 70 games of 2010…..while a good chunk of the starting lineup was either struggling, on the DL, just coming off the DL and finding his swing again…

    ….Raul Ibanez hit .309 with 9 HR and 44 RBI. From the first 85 games to the second 70 games his OBP jumped almost 50 points, SLG almost 100 points, and OPS more than 150 points.

    So you’re telling me that he produces those numbers while a lot of his teammates are hurt or slumping….and that’s not carrying the team??

  20. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    I agree 1000% that Ibanez carried us early in ’09, and late in ’10 . . . people want to complain about the contract that he’s making $11 M a year.. but still the truth is, if Ruben didn’t make such a strong 3-year-deal . . we would’ve been left with Milton Bradley, etc… as our only option

    People make too much of a big deal of a Left Fielder that bats 6th . . . and not enough of a big deal about a Secondbaseman that bats 3rd

    Ibanez, despite not winning the MVP, has been a very good addition to this ballclub and helped them win a lot of games

    Also, I was glad to read all of NJ’s Abreu post, because at first I thought it was the same old “we got nothing in return” … but he realizes that we didn’t trade him to get prospects, we traded him to save some salary, and to get rid of the players that would rather get a walk than a hit with the game on the line

  21. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    No team would take Ibanez right now … but midseason, when teams need a Left handed bat, a Leftfielder, or a DH . . . . a veteran guy that won’t disrupt the clubhouse, has some playoff experience, etc .

    Teams will definitely take Ibanez, but right now there are so many other options that they can sign to THEIR terms

  22. Ted Bell

    December 8, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    He can’t field, he can’t run, and I’m definitely not excited by 44 RBIs in the second half. If he would have made a fairly easy play in the first game of the NLCS, that series may have turned out much different.

    His WAR was last year was 1.0, which roughly equates to a bench player. That’s actually what he should be at this stage of his career.

    I’m sure he’s a great guy…he’s just not a good player anymore.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  23. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Ibanez has been a good soldier but the Phillies are left with very little line-up flexibility behind Howard which is clearly the issue trying to be addressed. It really isn’t a case of hang it on Raul and all will be OK, he pretty much reached what should have been his expected numbers last year and others didn’t.

  24. The Dipsy

    December 8, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    @Don M – As you may recall, Ibanez was signed at the beginning of that years free agent season. As things played out, had Ruben waited another month, he would have had his pick of good, cheap outfielders to put out in left. Ruben misread the market.

    My understanding is is that if you don’t protect a guy on your 40 man, that just makes other teams eligible to pick him up. Its not the same as putting him on waivers and being liable for his contract. @Chuck – He has a great first half of ’09. he did not carry us the second half of last year. He was much improved, though. That said, I don’t want a guy, especially for 11.5m, who takes 80 games off a year. I don’t hate Raul. I would love him for 4m. I do hate that he is our starting LFer though.

    The Dipsy

  25. Ted Bell

    December 8, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Via Twitter:

    ToddZolecki: Francoeur close to signing with Royals, says @Ken_Rosenthal. Phillies never seriously pursued him.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  26. Ted Bell

    December 8, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    So, Francoeur & Diaz are now off the board. It will be interesting to see what RAJ is planning.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  27. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    44 RBI over 70 games. That equates to 102 over a 162 season. Raul was still recovering from his injury in ’09. That’s a major reason why his numbers were down for the second half of ’09 and the first half of ’10.

    I’ll take 102 RBI from my left fielder ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

    As for the contract….that’s what it took to sign him before 2009. At least one onther team…the Angels were ready to sign him for basically the same money and for 3 years.

  28. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    And a good point was made. If Ruben would have waited there’s a good possibility we would have had someone like Milton Bradley and all his sh*t.

  29. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Without Raul Ibanez, the Phillies never make the World Series in 2009 . . . because they wouldn’t have been in contention at the deadline, wouldn’t have aquired Lee, etc..

    Which stud OFs did the Phillies pass on to ensure they got Ibanez: Milton Bradley, Pat Burrell, Garrett Anderson (who the Braves got stuck with)

    Amaro did what he had to do to get the best available OF… ideally he wouldn’t have had to offer that 3rd year, but somebody would have, so I’m glad that Amaro got him, since its helped us to two more NL EAST titles, and deep postseason runs

  30. Geoff

    December 8, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Well..bring in another cheap lefty and stockpile them.

    Now…both Diaz & Franceour gone means we LET them go, meaning RAJ has something planned.

  31. George

    December 8, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Players with as many years in ML as Ibanez can’t just be left off the roster. I’m sure he’s out of options, so the only thing a team could do is put him on waivers.
    Ibanez, given his salary, wouldn’t be claimed, and would become a free agent. Given his ability, another team would then pick him up for close to the ML minimum, and the Phils would have to make up the difference between that minimum and the $11 million he was originally signed for. Would anyone really want Raul to get a key hit against the Phils when the Phils are the ones paying him?

  32. Bebin

    December 8, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    I think we can all agree that he’s not going anywhere…Raul is staying with us for the year but I would rather him hit 7th rather than 5th. And I wouldn’t mind getting a line of 75 runs, 16 hrs, 83 rbis and .275 avg from a person batting 7th…As for the defense thats when you plug in a player like Ben francisco in the late innings like we did for burell

    the lineup as I see it now

    1 CF Victorino
    2 3B Polanco
    3 2B Utley
    4 1B Howard
    5 RF
    6 SS Rollins
    7 LF Ibanez
    8 C Ruiz
    9 P

    Now what the Phillies need to do is find a right handed bat to protect howard for this their going to have to pony up some money. I don’t really give a crap about what dave montgomery has to say if he wants to win pony up some money bastard ,160 million isn’t that bad since your already raising our ticket prices every friggin yr. So once he does that I think we should either opt for a trade to get Carlos Quentin or sign Magglio Ordonez and the worst case scenario is Jeff francouer or Jermaine Dye

  33. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Or maybe he has nothing planned except for a platoon of Brown/Francisco and Raul/Francisco.

    Do we really want Juan Rivera and his lousy defense???

  34. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Amaro’s plan is probably let Ben Francisco be the guy…

    and unless they sign someone who is clearly better (Magglio), then I’m not concerned at all that Diaz and possibly Francoeur sign somewhere else

  35. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Ibanez had a very good second half. He needs to be pltooned a little more this year. I wouldn’t just give him away for nothing.

    How can BenFran platoon for Brown and Raul at the same time?

  36. The Dipsy

    December 8, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    There is no way that Amaro is going to start the season with Francisco in RF. He’s gonna make the deal to bring in the RF bat. Are you guys seriously questioning that? He always plays it close to the vest before he “springs his trap”. I think we can all agree that 11.5m would have been better spent somewhere else.

    The Dipsy

  37. George

    December 8, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Carlos Quentin can’t hit left handers, so I hope he ISN’T traded for. Ordonez would involve a bidding war, because several teams want him. He’s not special enough (or young enough) to stretch the budget for. Jermaine Dye at this stage of his career is no better than Francisco, and Francoeur already signed with KC.

    As far as ticket prices increasing, name me one thing that hasn’t increased. Team costs go up sometimes even without an increase in the player’s payroll.

  38. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    The Dipsy . . . Who would you have chosen to play LF the past two seasons if you don’t like Ibanez on the roster???

    And say it was either Ibanez for 3 years, or no years .. since he would’ve signed somewhere else

  39. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    I’m not gonna comment anymore on the 11.5M. Raul helps us get to the playoff for 2 straight years. And, who’s to say that he won’t in 2011 too?? Time to just accept the fact that he’s here and cheer for him to contribute in a big way…

  40. JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY

    December 8, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    BEN IS GOING TO SURPRIZE SOME OF YOU GUYS THIS YEAR……….

  41. George

    December 8, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Yes, the $11.5 million could have been better spent. $10 million could have gone to Ben Sheets, and the remainder could have been used to sign Chen Ming Wang.

    Everybody misspends once in a while (heck, Gillick paid $20+ millions for Adam Eaton!) I think maybe Amaro overpaid a little, but not by anything even close to those aforementioned players. And Ibanez could still have one good year left.

    Dipsy, I think you tend to look at the contracts other teams just got lucky
    with (Burrell with the Giants comes to mind) when you attempt to determine a player’s worth.

  42. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    There is always the Beltran option. He can play 7 possitions at a gold glove level and the Mets will pay part of the contract. Thats what great teams do.

  43. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Guys
    You cant cry about contracts then get offended when people call out 0 RBI.
    Its the king of all contracts.

  44. Ted Bell

    December 8, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Don & Chuck – Just because I think Ibanez is no longer a good player, does not mean that I don’t want him to succeed in a Phillies uniform. I HOPE he wins the triple crown, but I’m very realistic in what I EXPECT from a 39 year old player with little range or speed.

    This mantra that Ibanez helped them make the playoffs in 2009 & 2010 is overstated, also. Other than the first two months of 2009, he was an average offensive player. Since June 1 of 2009 he’s hit .260. That would be fine if he brought other skills to the table, I guess. We can blame injuries, but at the same time we must accept that older players get injured more often and take longer to recover. It’s not Raul’s fault, it’s just a fact.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  45. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    What is this whole talk about the possibility of waiving Ibanez? Not even a remote possibility and the question started was about the rule 5 draft and player protection and why teams leave veterans who 99% won’t be claimed like Ibanez protected, or don’t they…

    If Francour signs with the Royals you can be sure it’s for a big chunk more cash than we would have given since the Royals have had a woody for him for years.

  46. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Yeah, what exactly did Pat Burrell do in the postseason this year? How about 6 for 42. Oh, and by the way 0 RBI in the WS. (Andrew from W, you got that??)

  47. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    I believe he won a world series?
    Thats his second BTW

  48. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Ted, so Other than 33% of 2009, (when he was being discussed as the MVP of the league… and was the best player on our team) … he only average the rest of the year


    I never said that anyone does or doesn’t want Ibanez to do well… but I think people are morons if they still insist Amaro overpaid for him, and should’ve/could’ve signed someone better in LF ??? That player didn’t exist, and so Amaro paid what he needed to, to get the player he coveted.

    And that player has helped us

  49. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Andrew, what place are your Mets going to finish in this year, 4th? or do you think they can make it all the way to 3rd??

  50. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Ted, forget his age for a minute. HE GOT HURT. Plain and simple. That’s why his second half ’09 and first half ’10 was sub-par. That’s not an excuse. It’s just a fact.

  51. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Yeah very good point George, Amaro (I think greatly under Gillick’s tutorage) was willing to give the 3rd year to Ibanez, Polanco (and maybe even an extra one to Ruiz and Vic) knowing it’s better to have that guy there than be forced to go to the market. The Phils would certainly be in a difficult position if Ibanez wasn’t under contract because it wouldn’t have affected Werth and it’s not like we would have met a guy like Crawfords demands. Granted the Phils are openly trying to move Ibanez but it’s from a position of creating flexibility not a must.

  52. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    The Metsies pose a quasi threat. Particularily when they move Beltran.
    They have the salary and a new GM and manager.
    More so then your coveted Uggla or whoever the Braves sign.

  53. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    The Giants didn’t win the World Series BECAUSE of Pat Burrell. He helped them get to the postseason, yes. But HE’S no the reason they won all 3 rounds.

  54. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    The reason the Giants won the World Series is they got past the Braves and then had the Phillies and Texans play down to them. Awful line-up, the pitching was not as consistently good this year as is made out but Bochy made sure he made the best of all those ugly outs while the pitchers clearly did their research on how to keep the opposing hitters at bay. Ugly ugly WS championship team but one nonetheless!

  55. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    So the Mets will be better when they move Beltran … but you think the Phillies should get Beltran?

    Dan Uggla is a glorified Pat Burrell… swing hard, and sometimes you’ll hit HRs

  56. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Take away Pat and they dont make the playoffs
    Come on Chuck
    He was their MVP. I know I follow the sport.
    He well out earned 0 RBI 1 RBi and SS

  57. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Uggla is like Dallas McPherson with Carlos Pena’s bat, a catchers legs and David Ortiz’s glove!

  58. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Don werent you the one at the all star break so sure the Mets (who were ahead of the Phillies at that time) would just surge on with the great Beltran?
    They do have Reyes, Santana and Wright also. I dont blame you.

  59. The Dipsy

    December 8, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    I don’t have the list if FAs that were available in 2009. I know Abreu ended up signing for peanuts AS AN EXAMPLE and other players signed for a lot less that were good outfielders. Just found it. Abreu signed for 5 mill in 2009. Would I want Abreu in as opposed to Ibanez. Hell yes. Say what you want about his happy go lucky whatever whatever but Abreu was a better player. And at 5 mill. Oner example. I could try and find more.

    The Dipsy

  60. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    I was the one that said Beltran is better than Shane Victorino ….

    Reyes blows, him and Russell Martin are the two most overrated players in baseball..

    and I like David Wright, same way I’ve always liked Chipper Jones

    ….
    so Andrew, you wouldn’t have signed Ibanez, or you’re just ready to let him walk now… Im not sure which points you are trying to make

  61. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    What did I just say??….that Pat helped the Giants get to the playoffs. Can you read??

    But once IN the playoffs , he didn’t do sh*t.

  62. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    DIPSSYYY …. we’ve talked about this for 11 years now… Abreu was here, was poison to a winning atmostphere, and would not have returned to Philadelphia …..

    google 2009 MLB FREE AGENTS for the quick list.

  63. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Come on the Phillies were NEVER going to bring Abreu back after winning the World Series and how successful have his teams been since he left the Phils? The book on Abreu is he’s not a player you want if you want to go all the way… Ibanez was the right move.

  64. Bebin

    December 8, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Ok so I’m going to propose my pipe dream to my dream team this season (you can rip me but I did say pipe dream)

    it involves 3 trades and 4 FA signings

    ill get through the FA signings first

    George Sherill on a 2 yr 3.5 mill deal w/ possible incentives he’ll be the LOOGY

    Chris Capuano on a 2 yr 4.5 mill deal W/ incentives based on whether he becomes the 5th starter or long relief

    Bill Hall on a 2 yr 10 million deal (super utility)

    Magglio Ordonez 1 yr. 8.5 mill deal

    and now onto the trades

    first trade

    Joe Blanton to Baltimore for Brandon Erbe and Mychal Givens

    Second trade

    Shane Victorino
    Jon Singleton
    Brody Colvin
    Freddy Glavis

    for

    Zach Greinke

    3rd Trade

    Dominic Brown
    Kyle Kendrick
    Matt Rizoto
    Mike Schwimmer
    JC Ramirez

    for

    Andre McCutchen
    Joel Harrahan

    thus giving you a team of

    C RUIZ
    1B HOWARD
    2B UTLEY
    3B POLANCO
    SS ROLLINS
    LF IBANEZ
    CF MCCUTCHEN
    RF ORDONEZ

    UTLITY PLAYERS

    2B,3B,SS,LF,CF,RF – BILL HALL
    2B/SS – WILSON VALDEZ
    LF/CF/RF – BEN FRANCISCO
    1B/LF – ROSS GLOAD

    STARTING PITCHING

    SP ROY HALLADAY
    SP ROY OSWALT
    SP ZACH GRIENKE
    SP COLE HAMELS
    SP VANCE WORLEY

    RELIEF PITCHING

    LONG RELIEVER – CHRIS CAPUANO
    LOOGY- GEORGE SHERILL
    ALL AROUND DO W/E RELIEVER – JOEL HARRAHAN
    7TH INNING RELIEVER/ RIGHT HANDER – JOSE CONTRERAS
    7TH INNING RELIEVER/ LEFT HANDER- ANTONIO BASTARDO
    SET-UP MAN- RYAN MADSON
    CLOSER- BRAD LIDGE

    I PERSONALLY THINK THIS PIPE DREAM TEAM CAN BEA OUT ANY TEAM IN THE MAJORS ON ANY DAY THAT BULL PEN WOULD BE STARIGHT OUT AMAZING…THE DOWNSIDES WELL ITS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN….IT’LL PUT THE SALARY CAP ATLEAST OVER 165…IT’LL DRAIN OUR FARM COMPLETELY

  65. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Let’s trade Roy Halladay for Tim Lincecum while we’re at it.

  66. Geoff

    December 8, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    I’m not going to respond to any of that…anyway, looks like things are quiet todat, that kinda sucks…

  67. Bebin

    December 8, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Ok I ‘m back to earth now…thanks for popping my bubble Chuck..what about bill hall as a platoon in right with dom? He was horrible against lefties last season but did good against righties…but for his carrer he has been better against lefties

  68. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Don at some point 0 RBI will be really old and crippled.
    Then the Mets can sign him ( a bargain Im sure) and you can do a few novels on how great he is.
    I will be here appreciating it.

  69. Geoff

    December 8, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    They are after Delwyn Young for a Bill Hall type role, it seems. Unfortuantely.

    I’d take Magglio I suppose. I think RAJ is spending a lot of effort to move Raul before he does anything.

  70. Bebin

    December 8, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Well RAJ isn’t going be able to move Raul for crap…he’ll have to take atleast a 5 million dollar hit and he’ll get a couple of prospects that’ll never make the majors and it’ll open up a friggin hole in left in addition to the one we have in right…raul is here to stay like it or not…but delwyn young is being sought ought as a Utlity man. I saying bring bill in as a platoon player with dom brown in right and if you need his services elsewhere move him where you need him.

  71. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    See what I mean, Don?? Andrew from W is WORSE than jeff. I know that’s hard to believe. At least jeff KNOWS something about baseball even though he b!tches about it all the time.

  72. bfo_33

    December 8, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Bebin, A nice diversion form the “why Ruben overpaid a sucky Raul”, but pass the pipe.

    Just a few – Pittsburgh will not trade McCutchen – he’s the only reason to buy a Pirates ticket.

    Grienke had a nervous breakdown in KC. He won’t go into a high pressure environment (Phi, NY, Chi, Bos, LA). Like Randy Johnson, Kevin Millwood,….. he’s not mentally capable of it.

    I don’t know the Baltimore guys, but they don’t show up on your roster.

    $10 M for a super utility guy is stretching it, esp when you can get a decent match in Nick Punto for next to nothing.

    Personally, I’d be good with Ib, Vic, Ben Fran in the outfield. Send Brown to LV to get some reps, bring him back up, give one of the RH outfielders in LV a shot as the 5th outfielder, get as many scrap heap arms as you can find for the bullpen, see what turns up.

    Rollins is the best right handed hitter on the team, move him to the 5 spot when facing a lefty. Howard either hits or he doesn’t, protection has little to do with it (see Sept 08, when he batted 350 with 11 hrs hitting in front of Burrell, who was following up a crappy Aug (181, 3 hr) with an equally crappy Sept (203, 4 hr).

    We have one of the best starting pitching staffs in the NL, and I don’t think Rollins, Howard, and Utley all have subpar years again. I think we need a tweak, not a wholesale change. I’d prefer to see a prospect exchange – maybe Rizzoti, who is ready but blocked, for a ss, 3rd base, or RH corner outfielder who is near ready.

  73. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Andrew, So you would have signed ___?_____ instead of Ibanez … still didn’t answer that

    You really bring a lot to the table with your insights and opinions!

  74. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Wow Chuck winning friends and influencing opinions.
    Im proud of you thats for sure.
    Im impressed.
    Except for 2 days ago when you said you were ignoring me. I notified the press and now this.

  75. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    The happiest guy in that suggestion is Bill Hall’s agent who’s probably not able to get him much more than the minor league deal he signed with the Red Sox.

  76. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Chuck is a friend maker.
    Hi Chuck
    Im Andrew from Waldorf.
    I appreciate how you handle business.

  77. The Dipsy

    December 8, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    I have reviewed the 2009 free agent OFs list and I agree that Ibanez was one of the best out there. I stand corrected.

    The Dipsy

  78. bfo_33

    December 8, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Andrew vs Jeff

    pros – Andrew types better

    cons – everything else

  79. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Ugh Denny Reyes deal near… Makes you feel nauseous with all the lefties out there. I hope the attitude is Young Dirty Bastardo’s our guy.

  80. Bebin

    December 8, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Really bfo_33 nick punto…I know I’m smoking the pipe but w/e your smoking please pass it on… The nick punto/bill hall comparison is just out of this world hilarious…bill hall is 10000000x better than nick punto…I dont know what he’s demanding but 5 million a yr to a guy who’ll shore up the 3b backup role and platoon is a decent price and maybe you can get him for even cheaper…but the thought of having a player who can play 6 positions intrigues me

  81. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    See what I mean Don??
    But he is your friend for life and he loves the over priced talent too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bozo_the_Clown

  82. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Phils need a RH OF if they move Raul or not, start BenFran or not.

    Werth, gone
    Upton, too costly in picks
    Francour, gone thankfully
    Diaz, gone

    FA Left
    Nady, Ordonez

    Trade Left
    Willingham, Pence, Cudyear, ?

  83. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Pirates trying hard to move Doumit (can play RF) and are willing to eat salary…

  84. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Willingham’s a fit, Cuddyer (and Kubel) are FA’s at the end of the year. Houston aren’t trading Pence any time soon.

    Remember Scott Hairston has been rumored who’s the most likely at this point.

  85. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    I don’t think I said I was going to ignore you. You have me confused with my twin brother Bingo the Clown (George)

    George, in case you don’t know what I’m talking about, Andrew referred to you and me and Bozo and Bingo the Clowns the other day. (I chose to be Bozo if that’s ok with you)

  86. Bebin

    December 8, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    please don’t tell me we’re giving denys reyes a baez type deal… w/e happened to george sherill….If we’re bringing crappy fat no talent losers why not sign talented fat pitchers like chad qualls for cheap…seriuosly reuben I know ur latino but stop handing out these dirty contracts already to talentless fat tards…I mean the man’s nickname is the BIG SWEAT I really don’t want him on the mound

  87. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    You cant take this all too serious.
    Don was inside Beltrans jock at the all star break. So when reading his opinions keep that in mind.

    The Phils are going to stand pat and add some BP arms is all.
    Discuss till april.
    Me? Id move a sacred cow but its not happening.

  88. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    The Dipsy came to his sense . . .

    ANDREW FROM SOMEWHERE . . . you avoid direct questons like the plague. You’re the very worst type of fan if you openly complain, yet offer no insights as to what you would do differently

  89. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Anyone disagree that Beltran is better than Shane Victorino.. when both players are healthy???

    If that puts me “inside his jock” .. then that’s cool .. or at least definitely cooler than instigating cyber-fights on a Phillies blog

  90. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Move a sacred cow?? Why?? JUST for the sake of doing so?? Just because??

  91. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Don I dont think I am some GM on a website.
    Thats where you come in. Some of the drones dig it. Its OK.
    But I think you are kind of tarded. But I respect your right to post how great Beltran is.
    Can you do a novel on it today?
    My insight LOL
    Like yours.
    Todays novel?
    How does batting the pitcher 8th have a positive effect?

  92. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Bebin,

    mtr says one year with a club option. I’d rather have Sherrill, but Reyes for one year at the right price would be OK by me. Had a real outlier of a season against lefties. He got raked for an average of over .300.

  93. bfo_33

    December 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Bebin, just high on life. I’ll give you Hall’s a better hitter, but Nick Punto can play every infield position, as well as the corners well (on par with Hall), and he could be had for the minimum. Since his drinking buddy is now in San Fran, he may even show up to the park without a hangover.

    I agree that we need 2 infield utility guys. It would be nice to have a decent stick in one of them (assuming Valdez is the other).

  94. Geoff

    December 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    I’d move in for Doumit, seem him used in RF before.

  95. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Don M- the only one would be Vic’s agent.

    Right now Beltran’s radio-active though.

  96. Geoff

    December 8, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Batting the pitcher 8th is stupid.

  97. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    I would take a HEALTHY Carlos Beltran over any condition of Shane Victorino….IN A HEARTBEAT.

  98. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    CHUCK WHEN YOU CAPS LOCK IT REALLY GETS THE POINT HOME

    I AM TRYING TO USE THAT WHEN I STATE MY POINTS

  99. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    IF YOU DUG UP BABE RUTH AND SOMEHOW MADE HIM COME BACK TO LIFE IN HIS PRIME

    IN A HEARTBEAT

  100. bfo_33

    December 8, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Beltran is clearly better if healthy, but I’m not sure he’ll ever be healthy again. Not really looking forward to Shane at lead off, but unless there is a monster trade coming down the pike, it’s what we’ve got. Still hoping Charlie can convince him to ditch batting from the left side.

  101. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    I dont even know what this chick Andrew is talking about…. ??

    seemingly knocking the fact the we have Ibanez, refusing to say who she would have signed instead (or if she doesn’t want to “play GM”) who she would have “preferred” instead, … then she claims I like said the Mets would be great once Beltran returned …. I say, no, only that I’ve always though Beltran was better than Victorino … that somehow pushes her buttons, and she claims I write novels about how much I love Beltran

    after all this I can only gather that she too likes the Ibanez deal, and happens to be off from school today thanks to the HolyDay of Obligation- and instead of getting a jump start on her social studies project, she’s slaying us all with her jokes here on P.N.

  102. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Wouldn’t you just love to see Aroldis Chapman come into a game trying to hold against Babe Ruth…

  103. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Andrew, hold old are you?? Twelve??

  104. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    The hostility Don.
    I didnt make you think Beltran is the best. You did it on your own.

  105. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Chuck I am leaving you and Don in charge here

    YOU GUYS CAN HANDLE IT. I AM SURE

    JUST MAKE SURE TO CAPS LOCK THE IMPORTANT STUFF

  106. bfo_33

    December 8, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    NJ, not sure where that came from, but an interesting thought (Bonds in his juiced prime would be another great match-up). The Reds were talking about making Chapman a starter this year, wonder if he’ll stick there.

  107. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    I’m not trying to be in charge.. just wondering why you don’t ever offer serious views or opinions on anything

    slamming the Phillies for “0 RBI” … but never saying what they should have done differently …

    whats the point of even being on here if you don’t actully discuss the phillies??

  108. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    bfo_33- there was the whole ‘in their prime’ points and a mentioning of Babe…

  109. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Its a blog. I will be watching opening day and so fourth.
    Some of the stuff is simpleton nonsense.
    But that is as relevant as Jermaine Dye or Gary Sheffield or LOU GEHRIG

    Don go look at Howards career stats. Tell me the last time he had 9 games with no RBI.
    Yes I can be serious but dont call me Shirley.

    Ibanez is fine hes fine playing for the Phillies in 2011 just only vs righties.

  110. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    He’s playing “just only vs. righties”??? Did Charlie Manuel personally tell you that??

  111. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    No Chuck I am stating that as my opinion.
    I feel it is how it should be.
    I will now answer questions. Ask away but please be respectful.

    Chuck would you like to know why the 27 Yankees are the best team ever?

  112. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Did anyone know Scott Whore-ass is Dom Browns agent? Uh oh…

  113. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    NJ
    Dom is young and locked down for awhile
    Once he is established some other team can overpay ( see washington nationals) and it will be OK. Like Werth.

    Next

  114. NJ

    December 8, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Andrew I’m with you, meant it more as a joke BUT a lot more young barely established players are getting multi-year deals before they even hit arbitration.

    Remember no player is locked down and controllable are two different things, ‘specially to the players agents.

  115. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Basicly fans and management cant get attached to players.
    Ruiz is my favorite Phillie ever. If the right offer is made you trade him.
    You dont pay him 25 million a year (although a catcher is the most important position)
    When Dom or Werth or anyone has big numbers and great years and somone overpays them you have to say bye bye.

  116. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Konerko signs for 12.5 per for 3 years

    compare

  117. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    What do you do when you need a LF, and you sign the best available to a 3-year-deal, he helps you get to a World Series and an NLCS in the first two years, and your fans still b!tch??

  118. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    There’s no comparison between Konerko and Howard. Howard averages almost 38 more RBI per full season. That’s a run every 4 games. Now, others can decide if that’s worth the extra $7.5 million Howard makes per year for now.

  119. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Looks like Sherrill is most likely Atlanta bound. I hope they have to seriously over pay him or I’d be very unhappy RAJ let him go to a rival.

  120. bfo_33

    December 8, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    When I was a kid, I rooted for the Phillies because I grew up in the Phila area and liked baseball. Even if I liked the Dodgers, there weren’t many ways for me to see them (no internet, only saw them when they played the Phils, or were the game of the week). Now, you can follow any team no matter where you live.

    For management and players, this is a business, neither should get too attached, or they will make poor business decisions. For fans, there should be some emotional attachment. If all you care about is wins and losses, root for the Yankees. Part of what is special in the current run is it’s a good group – most of the primary guys are home grown, and the ace took a lesser deal to come here.

  121. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Fans will be fans
    I hated Cole 1 year ago today. Now I love him

    Thats what fans do

    Ive never bitched about Raul he should only play vs righties though now.

  122. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    I’m not the least bit surprised that you were among the “Trade Hamels” … “Hamels Sucks” .. crowd …. failing to see that a 26-year-old homegrown lefty, that led your team to a World Series crown was a great thing to have

  123. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    I guess Hamils (thats intentional) didnt suck in 09?

    Don are you at the winter meeting?

    Would you trade Hamels for Grienke today straight up?

  124. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Yes. Andrew the front-runner. Why am not surprised??

    And NO. This poster would not trade Hamels for Greinke stright up.

  125. bfo_33

    December 8, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Pure “stuff”, Grienke has a slight edge. Two huge reasons why I’d pick Hamels first:
    – Hamels wants to be a star pitcher, Grienke likes being anonymous (read the Sports Illustrated article on him, think it was June 09), and
    – Hamels is left handed in a line-up with 4 other right handed starters.

    I would not trade him straight up.

  126. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Chuck try to be civil.
    Being critical doesnt mean you are a front runner.

    I actually think Id pull the trigger on a Grienke for Hamils deal. Stuff wise Grienke is in that Lincecum range.
    But its very close which says alot for Cole.

  127. Bebin

    December 8, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Who is this douchebag andrew? nothing he says makes sense I feel like shooting myself after reading his comments

  128. Bebin

    December 8, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    andrew how do you gain from that trade I don’t see anyplusses…grienke is good and has better stuff but as bfo_33 you would make this a righty staff…whats the point of that

  129. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Bebin you have run me off this site.

    Carlos Pena 10 million and a .196 average
    Hes probably better than Derek lee at least

  130. Bebin

    December 8, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    I was j/p andrew…..pena has a chance to redeem himself and get another wonderful contract like adrian beltre anothe boras client…how this man does it I’ll never know.

  131. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    No, I wouldn’t say that Hamels “SUCKED” in 2009… he won 10, threw 193 innings, with a 4.32 ERA, and 1.29 WHIP … not great, but far from terrible

    And what people somehow.. somehow.. still don’t understand is the reason that he had a worse 2009, than 2008 was due to the extra workload that the postseason put on his arm

    Everyone in baseball, except most Phillies fans, knew Hamels was in for a down year following the World Series …. and would more than likely return in 2010

    ….
    usuing your philosphy… didn’t Zach Grienke SUCK last year??

    10 wins, 4.17 ERA, 1.25 WHIP

  132. The Dipsy

    December 8, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    I love Greinke, but Cole is a lefty, and thats the only reason I wouldn’t make THAT trade. Cole is just gonna get better and better once he adds a real curve or a slider to his arsenal. I wonder if Cliff can show him the “spike” curve. Ruben is gonna do something and I think its gonna be big. @Andrew – What position on the field do you think is most important? Just curious.

    The Dipsy

  133. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Sherrill to Atlant, 1 year 1.2-1.4.

  134. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Things that suck:

    1. Sherrill to Atlanta, on a seemingly affordable, 1 year deal
    2. Magglio Ordonez said to seeking AT LEAST a 2 year, $20 M contract

  135. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    So Don we were just supposed to lose to the yankees and have the guy say hes glad the seasons over? I really try to not be negative but some people just fall in love with players and make excuses for anything.
    Coles body language was horrible in 09. Everything about him was horrible. I didnt see Grienkes every start last year to know how he went to the mound. I know he has one of the top 2 arms in the game though.

    Write it down this time Dip
    First pitching is most imprtant then defense then hitting in general

    Ranking positions in order of defensive importance ( no pitcher)

    1. Catcher
    2. shortstop
    3. second base
    4. center field
    5. thirdbase
    6. right field
    7. left field
    8. first base

  136. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Sherrill seems to sink when the pressures on

  137. Don M

    December 8, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    you know what context is … and how things can be taken out of context..

    like Hamels saying that he couldn’t wait for it to be over …. he was talking about his own struggles, not that he wanted the team to lose

    I almost think that Andrew is actually Howard Eskin

  138. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Sherrill > Reyes as a Lefty specialist IMO.

  139. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    LOL on him being Eskin.

  140. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    And he corrected all that didn’t he Andrew? Hamels was actually BETTER this year than 2008, but you’re somehow still stuck on 2009.

    Yeah, what’s up with Sherrill?? Seriously…. we couldn’t get this guy for one year, even maybe 1.5M??

  141. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Checuk, I agree. He signed a $1.2 million deal with a high of $1.4 possible with incentives. Worth it for a solid LH specialist.

  142. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    How the heck did I type Checuk. Sorry Chuck.

  143. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    I like that name…Checuk.

  144. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    So 2/20 for Maggs. Anybody think that’s worth it?…especially in the wake of losing Werth? 10M per year doesn’t seem bad for a guy that COULD make a difference.

  145. The Dipsy

    December 8, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    @Chuck – 2y20m? Thats seems preposterous to me. You see this with guys that are so used to earning huge dollars that when they get long and the tooth and coming off an injury, they feel that they should still earn a ton more than a typical Joe that will put up the same numbers. Magglio is at the point in his career where he’s got to prove he can still play. If he’s sticking to that $ demand than I would tell him to take a long walk off a short pier and to call me when the LSD wears off.

    @Andrew – Who told you that defense is more important than hitting. Are you saying that, with the pitching being even, that you would rather have an average offensive team with a good defense than an average defensive team with a good offense? Bill James basically says that defense doesn’t mean crap, at least thats what he said about 20 years ago when I read him.

    Who would you rather have as your catcher, Andy Etchebarren or Elrod Hendricks? Was your father a catcher?

    The Dipsy

  146. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    I wonder if Andrew even knows who Hendricks and Etchebarren are??

    10M DOES seem like a lot….BUT….I guess he is the one guy that I could get excited about….that would be better than Ben Francisco. Maybe Ruben can “steal” him for less??

  147. The Dipsy

    December 8, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    I guess Magglio went all agog when he saw Werth get all that money. Damn. Whats Crawford gonna get? 7y140, 145? Does Andrew like the Phillies? I mean, is he a Phils fan? Its ok if he’s not, I just don’t know why he would be on a Phillies blog. He does talk in bullet points, though. I do know that:

    1. Catchers, Jesus, and the Virgin Mary make up the Holy Trinity;
    2. Every Phillie over the age of 23 should traded to make way for new blood;
    3. Ryan Howard’s is a terrible player and his contract is going to bankrupt the organization;
    4. He loves the Yankees.

    And, oh by the way, if salary was not an issue, I would take a one legged, one kneed, Carlos Beltran over Shane Victorino anyday.

    The Dipsy

  148. Chuck

    December 8, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    hahahahaha. That’s funny.. Catchers, Jesus and the Virgin Mary are the Holy Trinity. Good one.

    I think Carl Crawford now asks for a 10 year contract. Why not?? A-Rod did it. Jeter. And he does have the goods. He probably doesn’t get that but I would say 8/160 is realistic if Werth got 7/126.

  149. JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY

    December 8, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    LOL

  150. JAY-AKA-PHILLYBOY

    December 8, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Lots of lobby talk about #Giants trading Aaron Rowand back to #Phillies. But one source says chances no better than 2 in 10.

  151. jeff

    December 8, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Chuck you have anger issues. Dude get a grip. The Phillies next season will give up the division to the Braves. Losing werth kills this team. I dont care who platoon in left they all stink. With the price of tickets going up I think the Phillies could of done better. I have had season tickets for 15 years. I rejected them today. Keep your money

  152. Geoff

    December 8, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Ill go with Rowand, thats fine with me. Hes got what, 2 for 24 left on his deal? Haul him back over here.

    Try to send Raul out of here for some AAA journeymen.

  153. Lefty

    December 8, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    NL East
    Mets sign Paulino and Carasco- they can have em
    Braves get Sherrill- they can have him
    Marlins attempt to get Greinke- credit for trying
    Nats make offer to Lee- that ain’t happening

    Phils want Dennys Grand Slam Breakfast????

  154. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Lefty,

    Sherril is still an excellent lefty specialist. Something the Phils really need.

  155. Andrew from waldorf

    December 8, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Marlins pushing for Grienke
    That would sting

  156. Kate

    December 8, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Wow, it’s like there’s a bunch of women in here b*tching and arguing.

    Sorry if that’s not cool (and I’m being serious), but are we still on the 2010 season?

  157. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Boras mentions a 3rd team seriously interested in Beltre, but can’t name them because they would have to trade their current 3b. Could be Sox, Phillies or many others. For Conversation purposes only what could the Phils expect to get for Polanco?

  158. MikeB.

    December 8, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Jeff Francoeur signed a one-year contract with the KC Royals. Happy to see that he will not wind up with the Phils. Phils can do a lot better than this guy. Good defensively with a great arm but offensively is a different story.

  159. Geoff

    December 8, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Texas has been trying to trade Michael Young to Colorado, its believed that Texas is the 3rd Beltre team.

  160. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Thanks Geoff. Is that a backup plan for when the Yankees sign Lee?

  161. The Dipsy

    December 8, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Sherril would have been nice at 1.3m. Real nice.

    The Dipsy

  162. psujoe

    December 8, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    I don’t get why they backed off Sherril for Reyes because 1.3 is reasonable for a shut down left on lefty. A huge missing piece fome last year.

  163. Chuck

    December 9, 2010 at 7:44 am

    So, jeff, that now means that I have that much of a better chance to get a nice ticket for some games….since you rejected yours. I figure the more people that jump off the bandwagon just makes it better for us REAL Phillies fans.

  164. jeff

    December 9, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    yea chuck you are the real phillies fan. you pay 75.00 a game plus 20.00 for parking. you enjoy that 5 dollar hotdog. for what? to watch a bunch of millionairs throw the ball around. i pay nothing to see my son play. thats the best joy in the world.

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