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Bullpen, Defense Falter as Phillies Lose Again

Not again!? The Phillies had a 4-0 lead after two innings that disappeared in a sloppy seventh inning as the Mets rallied for a 7-4 victory.


Qualls has not fared well with inherited runners. (AP)

-Again!? Chad Qualls would have gotten out of the seventh inning having given up just one run. But the defense screwed him over even more. Not condoning giving up that one run, but, it could have been over and done with. Then, inexplicably, the Phillies fail to record an out on a rundown, and Pete Orr throws the ball down the left field line to allow the Mets to tie the game. Fundamentally garbage.

-Antonio Bastardo then allowed Lucas Duda to single home David Wright with two outs in the seventh. In summation, Blanton ran out of gas, Qualls gave up a big hit that turned worse with an error, Bastardo gave up one more run for good measure, and the Mets took the lead for good.

-Michael Schwimer allowed two runs in the ninth inning, one of them scoring with Joe Savery on the mound. We keep waiting for the young arms to step up and make people notice, but for Schwimer and Savery, it’s been for all the wrong reasons recently.

-Can the Phillies even do anything about the bullpen? What is the answer here, exactly? Do you throw your starters 115 pitches each and try to stay away from the bullpen? Does Ruben Amaro look to grab someone/anyone from somewhere/anywhere?


-Blanton was lights out early on, going through the first three innings without allowing a hit. Things got sketchy in the fourth inning, where he escaped with just a run from the Mets. He entered the seventh inning, gave up a few baserunners, and was charged with all four runs. Two of them came on the misplay by Orr.

-Overall, not a terrible effort from Blanton. His line would have looked much better had he been assisted properly by his defense and bullpen, but such is life as a Phillies starting pitcher right now.

-His velocity waned a bit as the game wore on, but Blanton did reach 93 on the radar a few times. The good thing is, Blanton is healthy and producing as a starter again.


-Crooked numbers in the first two innings was a nice sign. In the first, Hunter Pence went yard. Of course, he swung at the first pitch, which he missed, but connected on the third pitch of the at-bat for his seventh home run of the season.

-It seems like Pence sees too few pitches at the plate, right? Well, there are 33 other hitters who see fewer pitches per plate appearance in the National League than Pence, who looks at an average of 3.73 per/PA. That includes teammates Carlos Ruiz, Shane Victorino, and Freddy Galvis. Omar Infante has the shortest at-bats at 3.28 per/PA.

-In the second inning, the Phillies capitalized on two errors. It wasn’t pretty, but good teams take advantage of what’s given to them. Pete Orr roped a single to centerfield that scored John Mayberry. Shane Victorino doubled Orr home a few batters later. The negative: Shane Victorino and Jimmy Rollins were stranded at second and third base, respectively. Knocking in runners in scoring position has been a fatal flaw of this team thus far.

-In the eighth, the Phillies threatened as Placido Polanco singled and then moved to second on a wild pitch. John Mayberry scorched a ball right at second baseman Daniel Murphy for the first out, but Polanco moved up to third on a second wild pitch. Pete Orr recorded the second out with a terrible at-bat. Ty Wigginton then came on and flied out. Another late-inning wasted opportunity.


-Pete Orr had two errors on Tuesday night. He hit a few balls pretty hard and couldn’t do anything with this hands in the field. Freddy Galvis has been the exact opposite. It’s been a tough year for guys trying to live up to the high standards that Chase Utley has set.


-The Phillies will look to salvage a victory on Wednesday night at 7:05 with the always-fun Lee-Gee matchup.

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    May 8, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Schwimmer and Qualls really stink out of the bullpen. We have the most inept bullpen in baseball right now and there is NO RELIEF in sight. What the heck is the matter with Ruben Amaro, Jr.? He really needs to get on the ball and do something.

    • One Ship One Captain

      May 9, 2012 at 10:19 am

      Why does Ruben appear to be Teflon with the Media and Management ? The 2008 WS Team was the work of Ed Wade and Pat Gillick. Since their departure Ruben has done virtually nothing while it is perceived that he is some type of genius ??/
      Halladay and Lee both dropped in his lap. Halladay because he wanted to play for a team that allowed him to sleep at his house during spring training. He resides 20 mins from Brighthouse Field and he took less $$$
      . Lee`s wife requested the family come back to Philly and he did for less $$$.
      Does anyone remember the names of the four players Ruben traded Lee for ? We did not get back one Major League player. He basically handed Lee to Seattle.
      If Ed Wade was not the GM in Houston you would have never seen Oswalt or Pence. Wade was fired and guess who he works for ? That`s right he now works for Ruben..
      Here is some of Ruben`s signings since 2008 that he can take 100% ownership in………Gload, Baez, Contreras, Castro,Schneider,Romero,Piniero ?, Delwyn Young ? Cairo ? Majewski ? Mathieson ? Willis ? Qualls ? Wigginton ? Nix ? Pappelbon , great signing if you could win games and needed a closer, resigning Rollins /
      he must take ownership of the Utley debacle two years running..but of course he blames Chase for not being truthful ? Are you kidding me.your paying him 16 MIL and he had knee issues last year and Ruben decided occasional phone calls asking Chase how he was doing gets it done ?
      I respect the injuries happen but good GM` manage through adversity. Ruben had the entire off season to mmake sure the team was covered and oce again he did not do his job.
      This whole mess would have been simple to work through…….Move Polanco to 2B, Galvis to SS and sign either Cudyer or Ramirez to play 3B. Do not resign a declining J RO this would have stablized the infield with great defense and added power to the line up……….Ruben signed most all of the has beens that nobody wanted……..Thome ??? are you kidding me…how nostalgic to see Jim and Charlie chuckling in the dug out……..Inviting Dontrel Willis to training camp ? Ruben has single handedly removed our window with the pitching we have for another WS….I hope all of you enjoyed 2008…we have Ruben to thanks for closing the door on us the last 4 years……..the guys has never accomplished anything as a GM and this will show at the trade dead line now that ed Wade is no longer available to do trades that no other GM in baseball would have done………Ruben.Thanks for ruining baseball for all of us Philly fans that pay the bills……

      • LouA

        May 9, 2012 at 3:43 pm

        I’ve said that 100 times or more before on different pages. RA is a big time nothing.
        He purchased pitching and BTW they didn’t come cheap as you sort of implied “one ship one captain”
        Do you guys honestly think that Ryan and Utley are going to make this team win?????

    • One Ship One Captain

      May 9, 2012 at 10:35 am

      You are correct this stat was discussed in the post game last night and confirmed the Phils have the Worst Bull Pen ERA in MLB 2012……rediculous..

  2. Brooks

    May 8, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    With as terrible as we have seen this collapse, the Phils are still only 3 games below .500 and are in striking range. Do I see any kind of a turnaround? Will Victorino ever get a hit in the 9th inning again?

  3. jersey shore

    May 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Rollins is really awful this season.

    Should have let the guy go, he is just drawing a pension with his big fat final pay-day.

  4. Ryne Duren

    May 8, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    hey there Brooks. i like your optimism buddy ! cudos to you for that. i’ve been a fan since 1961 and this team is starting to give me flashbacks lol. my optimism is waning fast. i keep saying to myself after screaming that they’ll be ok but i gotta tell ya we lost to a bad team which makes us worse. the phils look lethargic. (like the flyers did) and they’re done. it’s starting to look late earlier as yogi said. i ‘m stuck on that phrase the last few days, can’t help it.
    i agree with bart also and jersey shore. i told my son it’s gonna be a long painful summer!

    • LouA

      May 9, 2012 at 9:58 am

      Hey Ryne guess I got you by about 10 years or more. Just don’t want to see them return to some of the yester-years. Wow! even the 76ers lost last night along with the Flyers.
      If the Phil’s go down, as it surely seems..
      What have we got left? The Eagles OMG sorry to say “NO WAY” especially with what they got behind center..But, won’t go there yet…

      RA gave up all his bux for pitching and to much money to others…
      Oh well, my optimism has already waned. Sad…….

      • Ryne Duren

        May 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm

        yea lou i know after the flyers, then the phils and we all know the sixers aint gettin past the next round were left with OMG the eagles. i keep tellin my boys when you watch a game and you start counting moral victory’s you’re cooked! sadly i’m counting moral victory’s.

  5. guest

    May 8, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Its over. No turn around this year. Another pathetic loss. This is going to be a long crappy year.

  6. brooks

    May 8, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    This team makes me ill – I have never witnessed such a terrible disposition to lose a game in the late innings like these guys. No hits, no effort at all in the 9th – guys like Qualls, Contreras & Schwimjim just give it up automatically and this offense – if they have 1 game a week where they score more than 5 runs, its almost a lock that the remaining games will be 3 runs and under. After some offense shows, struggle upon struggle.
    Sure, something is going to snap them back into the winning ways but not as things stand now.

  7. Ryne Duren

    May 8, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    a guy comes home from work and says hi honey get me a beer it’s gonna start soon. she makes a face and does as he asks. he goes to his recliner and gulps it down and yells get me another and crushes the can. she brings him another and he says thanks its gonna start any minute. she huffs and puffs and scrambles away red faced. he’s got about 6 empty crushed cans on the end table and he yells hey get me another! it’s just about ready to start! she comes runnin in screamin and cursing and says all you do is drink beer and watch the phillies lose! he looks up at her as she still screamin at him and he says IT’S STARTED!

    • LouA

      May 9, 2012 at 10:01 am

      this is funny….sure wish I could drink again though lmao

      • Ryne Duren

        May 9, 2012 at 4:13 pm

        i don’t drink lou but that was a joke i heard years ago i must have bumped my head during the channel flipping and remembered it.

  8. Jeff

    May 8, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Like pat says. It’s early. Lol

  9. Ryne Duren

    May 8, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    thought i’d lighten things up a little fellas, we could all use a chuckle by now!

  10. Bruce

    May 8, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    I didn’t have a good feeling with the new faces in the bullpen BEFORE spring training started. However, the bullpen was effective when the season started. Regretfully though, my concerns came to be realized as the bullpen now have the worst ERA in baseball (4.86). Prior to tonight’s game, the previous 16 games (and 39 innings) the ERA was an abysmal 7.15.

    Poor Charlie, the manager’s hands are really tied as he had to handled with what is given to him. 25 line-up changes in 30 games; at least he is trying to find the right pieces of the puzzle. Along with the heavy loss of offensive production from Utley and Howard on the DL, Charlie has to deal with Cliff Lee’s injury and Hamel’s stupidity (5-game suspension). Plus a number of regulars in the lineup struggling with their at bats. Mayberry has been a disappointment so far (although he is showing signs of his bat coming to life tonight). I’m also anxious for the manager to play Orr more often. At least he is not an automatic out like Galvis who is a rally killer with his bat.

    I will give some credit to a much improved Mets team. The GM made some good moves to add quality relievers to their bullpen. To illustrate this fact , Mets bullpen shutdown the Phillies team in this series going 7.2 innings and ZERO runs allowed. In spite of their own injury issues (8 key players on the DL now) the Mets have won four straight and are tied with Atlanta for most comeback wins with 10. The have owned the Phillies so far with two series victories early in the season and looking for a sweep tomorrow.

  11. brooks

    May 9, 2012 at 12:01 am

    F the Mets

  12. guest

    May 9, 2012 at 12:01 am

    I think I am going to vomit. Wait I already did, twice.

  13. brooks

    May 9, 2012 at 12:08 am

    Hate the Muts – although not as much since they lost Reyes

  14. Mazinman

    May 9, 2012 at 12:19 am

    I think this team has checked out mentally. They have bought into the whole “Can’t win until Howard and Utley come back” argument and are content to just float in mediocrity until those two get back. Charlie needs to do something to snap this team out of that real soon.

    • schmenkman

      May 9, 2012 at 5:24 am

      Dude. Leave psychology to the experts. You can just as easily say they’re pressing and trying too hard.

      • One Ship One Captain

        May 9, 2012 at 2:01 pm

        How about just admitting the Phils window is closing and they are injured,older and slower and as fans we now need to lower our expectations………

      • schmenkman

        May 9, 2012 at 2:37 pm

        Equally wrong, but at least based on more than just imagination.

    • Ryne Duren

      May 9, 2012 at 4:18 pm

      i agree Mazinman! i have an idea what cholly can do to snap them out of it. he said he ” wanted to talk to them but he doesn’t know what to say” how about this cholly! BOYS YOU GUYS SUCK! AND I SUCK TOO! SO I’M GOING BACK TO JAPAN! DEAL WITH IT.

  15. Andrew from Waldorf

    May 9, 2012 at 12:20 am

    At least we still have the Flyers.

    This team has to be shaken up in a major way.

    There also were many moves in the last 2 off seasons that could have been made that didnt happen. From the lineup to the bench to the pen.

    Theres always tomorrow 🙂

  16. Andrew from Harrisburg

    May 9, 2012 at 2:50 am

    I would love to have the Boston offense right now. And I’m sure in Red Sox Nation, there’s an Andrew from Springfield who would love to have our pitching staff. Sigh.

    • c schreiber

      May 9, 2012 at 11:48 pm

      Doc for Middlebrooks would please me and Boston fan.

  17. Phillies fan from Germany

    May 9, 2012 at 4:03 am

    Key moment for me: Bottom 6, Runners on 2nd and 3rd, 1 Out. You HAVE to bring in a pinch hitter for Blanton there. Blanton gave you 6 good innings and had been three time through the Mets lineup but even as bad as the bullpen is right now, any reliever would be as good as Blanton the 4th time through the lineup. You HAVE to try to break the game open there.

    What happened instead: Blanton grounds out, nobody scores in Bottom 6, Blanton retires only 2 of the 5 Batters he faces in the 7th Inning and the rest is history…

    Anyway, the Phillies have to try to stay around .500. When the lineup and rotation is intact again, they will win 90 games plus!

    • One Ship One Captain

      May 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm

      Germany……Great comment……..The Bottom of the 6th Award goes to our “DOPE” manager Charlie Manuel….just sitting on his fat ass reminicing with Jim Thome in the dug out…almost every game there is a scenario like you described and Charlie just sits there cashing his 3 MIL ……….rediculous.

    • c schreiber

      May 9, 2012 at 11:50 pm

      We ever have dreamers in Europe.

  18. Chuck A.

    May 9, 2012 at 7:01 am

    I know a lot of you don’t like Chris Wheeler but he’s the last remaining link to the great broadcasting team of Harry Kalas and Richie Ashburn. Wheels refers to Whitey a lot during the telecasts and likes to cite some of his phrases, one of which is “loose play.” He used it last night, referring to the Mets’ defense at one point. But that was BEFORE the 7th inning debacle that unfolded. I mean WTF was up with that rundown of David Wright??!! Pete Orr certainly showed some “loose play” of his own on that one. And this bullpen really sucks right now. Seriously….can we please just admit that Michael Schwimer is not the answer for a late-inning guy??

  19. TheDipsy

    May 9, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Yes, the great broadcasting team….in spite of Wheeler. Schwimer is not good. He doesn’t have it. I’d rather have the other Schwimer guy, the one that used to be in the show “Friends”. Just keep playing the games until its time to trade. And yes, Evil Jimmy is in the building.

    The Dipsy

  20. bacardipr05

    May 9, 2012 at 7:49 am

    I didnt watch the game instead I was foolin around with a women 12 years my senior. Anyways I dont think Schwimer is mentally ready for the big leagues. He needs to go down the moment Stutes come back up. I hope he isnt the next Mathieson/Zagurski. Not sure who else they can call up down at the farm.

  21. Chuck A.

    May 9, 2012 at 8:01 am

    bacardi – good for you (I guess). Hope she wasn’t too much for you! Yeah, Schwimer, I think, taking up the mantle of the slop bullpen guy that everyone will eventually just boo right off the field. Tons of talent, good stuff, but just can’t put it together at this level.

  22. Brooks

    May 9, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Phils have had the lead into the 7th and lost the game 7 times this year already, 7 times!
    Like I posted last night, who would you rather see gone first (now that Herndon is not here!) – Contreras, Qualls or Schwimjim? Not an easy choice.
    I was just putzing around with some numbers, here are the lines for the 3 relievers in their last 4 appearances – remember, this does not include the inherited runners scored:
    Qualls 2.2 ip 8 hits 3 Earned runs 3 walks 1 K
    Jose C: 2.3 ip 5 hits 3 runs 1 walk 3 K’s
    Schwimjim 5.1 ip 7 hits 6 ER 5 walks 3 K’s
    Wow – pretty gruesome stuff from your back end there. This pans out to:
    11 IP 20 hits 12 ER 9 walks 7 K’s and an ERA of 9.82 – don’t forget, inherited runners scored dont mess up these stats
    This is what Cholly has to work with.

    • Ryne Duren

      May 9, 2012 at 4:27 pm

      Brooks my choice would be dump all three contreras (done) schwimmer (not ready for prime time) qualls ( well the real qualls is now standing up) that’s just what i expected out of him! if they keep losing them bring some kids up who are close to ready and see what they’re made of! that includes position players to! i’m mean can they hit any worse? everybody was worried about galvis not producing and so was i but on the other hand j-bag has only 5 rbi and galvis 8 rbi and jimmy is hitting a robust 220 or 230 wow!

  23. Manny

    May 9, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Regardless of Qualls’ poor performance lately, I’m really glad we signed him –overall, he’s been serviceable and somewhat reliable as a set-up man for Papelbon. Bastardo will improve. Honestly, I’m not concerned about the back-end of the bullpen that much. These 3 guys I mentioned are pretty damn good relievers.

    That being said, Schwimmer and Savery shouldn’t be pitching in the ninth inning of a close game, period. And Contreras should be kept away from the 8th and 9th, as well.

    What really concerns me is our offense (especially the bottom of the lineup) and Charlie’s inability to make the necessary in-game moves/switches to maximize our scoring opportunities… the past two games have been terrible for him. How many times have we failed to score a guy in scoring position with less than 2 outs? Blanton, Galvis, Orr.. they’ve all failed to drive runners in in this situation (not too surprising) but Charlie just stands pat and lets them swing away when the odds are heavily against us.

  24. Don M

    May 9, 2012 at 10:49 am

    when does Jake Diekman get called up to the pen ???

    22 K’s in 14 innings at AAA ………only 3 walks.. 13 hits, good for a 1.116 WHIP. and only 1 ER allowed . . .

  25. The Original Chuck P

    May 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    The problem isn’t the bullpen or the defense or the hitting or whatever… the problem is that, collectively, this team is in a funk. The psyche of this team could not be worse – they’re playing tight and they’re playing to lose. They have had leads in every game going back to April 29 (vs. Matt Garza), yet, they’re 4-6 in those games and have lost in so many different ways. When you’re playing tight and on your heels, you’re expecting to see the worst and that’s when bad things happen. Having a lead is a good thing but they need to show that killer instinct to put teams away. They have to have confidence; playing with “swagger” is important and right now we don’t have that. Right now, we are buying the BS excuses. Let’s face it, it’s tough to expect much when you’ve got $75 million on the DL but it’s the hand we’ve been dealt and this team needs to own the result of their play (which right now hasn’t met anyone’s expectations). Their effort, start to finish, needs to match the expectations that have been set. Last year – 102 wins… 102 wins and not much has changed. Years of success has left everyone associated with this team accustomed to winning… play with passion, believe you can win, prepare like every game matters and be a team that goes beyond talent. Don’t hang your head or look to the sky after an at bat or an error… move on, hold yourself accountable and expect to be better. Expect the ball to be hit your way (actually, want the ball to be hit your way). Expect to be the guy that’s going to come up with the big hit. Get behind your teammates when things get tight, don’t add pressure. Charlie has to figure out how to get this team going.

    • One Ship One Captain

      May 9, 2012 at 12:17 pm

      The Original Chuck P……..all good stuff…….but not reality on this roster…..This AARP roster is why none of what you suggest can happen….most on this roster are on the downside of their career and the Rah Rah BS aint happening….there is nothing to believe in…….This is what our DOPE GM Ruben does..he says all the BS rhymes and slogans and pat answers with ZERO credibility behind the words It becomes tiring year over year..Remember Ruben one week after we lost to SL 1-0 “next year we will take a different approach at the plate” have you seen any difference in their approach ? Same first pitch swinging, same can`t move the runner over, same Charlie won`t bunt and play small ball……Ruben has squandered our Opportunity for a 2nd WS with this pitching……we just lost 4 of 5 to the Nats and Mets…that is reality .

      • schmenkman

        May 9, 2012 at 12:41 pm

        Well… No.

        first-pitch swinging:
        – last year they took the first pitch 79% of the time, the most (by far) of any team in the league
        – this year they’re third, at 77%

        – the Phillies were bunting a lot to start the year, but thankfully that has been mostly curtailed lately. Try this article, published today:

        There is a lot I don’t like about Amaro, but he did improve the team each year, and it’s a little early (actually more than a little) to be worried about this season.

        Actually I agree on one thing — they can’t move the runner over to save their lives. They are 15th in the NL in scoring a runner from 3rd with less than two outs. Although they’re in the middle of the pack in advancing a runner from 2nd to 3rd with no outs.

        One thing you don’t mention that they actually are worse in this year is patience. They’re last in the NL in walks, and below average in getting to hitters’ counts (2-0, 3-0, 3-1) — they were 5th in the NL last year. One thing that’s as irritating this year as it was in 2011 is that once they’re in that hitter’s count, they seem to swing at anything they think they can drive, rather than continue to work the count and maybe get on by a walk.

      • One Ship One Captain

        May 9, 2012 at 1:53 pm

        Schmenkman…………..all good stuff……I appreciate your accuracy with stats as in the end that is what they are all judged on and what makes a team who they are and how they finish the year….Right now this team is brutal to watch and they are brutal to defend………….I get that it is early but 1/5 of the way in they look consistently inept and I don’t quite get Charlie having to start 26 different line ups to start the year to date……To me it only reflects a team with no clue regardless of the injuries etc….. Utley was from early in spring training clearly not going to be available Howard was known since last fall………the fact that Ruben showed his inability to go get the fixes he needed is all you need to know……..what will Howard contribute when back other than Pence back in the 5 spot……Howard is 30 lbs overweight and has not hit major league pitching since last fall……Utley scenario is ridiculous at 15-16 MIL a year and that his boss Ruben claims ignorance as to the status of his knee issues etc..again respect your clear knowledge and stats.just tough to defend the Phils right now……

      • Ryne Duren

        May 9, 2012 at 4:31 pm

        captain you don’t see the difference? last year the O sucked against SL this year it sucks all the time against everybody! that’s the diff. my good man

      • schmenkman

        May 9, 2012 at 4:39 pm

        Last year in the first 46 games (before Utley returned): 3.83 per game.

        This year: 3.74 per game.

      • schmenkman

        May 9, 2012 at 4:42 pm

        BTW, since April 23rd: 4th in the NL in scoring.

      • Jeff Dowder

        May 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm

        After 31 games this season they’ve scored two runs or less 14 times.

        After 31 games last season they scored two runs or less 7 times.

        They’re actually doing fine when they can manage to score at least three runs (12-5).

      • schmenkman

        May 9, 2012 at 5:29 pm

        Jeff D – that’s right. They then scored 2 or less 9 times in the 15 games from #32 to #46.

  26. Don M

    May 9, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    How much of the approach do you really blame Amaro for ??? Charlie “the hitting guru” and the hitting coach, Gross, are the ones that should hold these guys accountable for bad at bats. .

    Amaro’s gone out and traded “maybes” …a bunch of prospects… for Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, Pence, ……. a team with only 2 Championships in 130 years ……. tried desperately to go after the 3rd trophy …….I have a hard time blaming the GM, who has put together a great team on paper ………………….what else should he do?

    In all honesty, and it’s been gaining some momentum …. its pretty obvious that Charlie isn’t the great manager in the world. … these players might be too comfortable right now

  27. Don M

    May 9, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    @ One Ship One Captain ……………….so you blame Amaro for the fact that Utley told him he was feeling fine and would be ready to go ??

    …….he knew about Howard, and in bringing in Nix, and Wigginton – he did a good job at addressing the known injury in the offseason, while at the same time strengthening the bench.

    Did Amaro snub you for a picture/autograph or something …. whats with all the GM blame for a talented team that is underperforming? It’s clearly the players/manager more than the GM at fault right now

  28. TheDipsy

    May 9, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Utley and Howard, two future Hall of Famers two years ago, are not only NOT future HOFers, but they’re not even in the lineup. I think that as a GM, when you get in a posture where you are going to spend the next 3-4 years going in for it all, and then you make certain moves tailored to move that posture forward, like trading youth for veteran talent, its all going to look misguided and stupid when the bedrock of your team unforseeably goes south, and WAY south. The pieces we traded for to compliment what was already here have now been asked to be main pieces (Pence). The veteran we really didn’t wanna sign but for the fact we wanted to “keep the band together” for another run is just an overpaid drag on the team without his bandmates.

    Utley and Howard gone has created the need for everyone to fill a bigger role than they are accustomed to. And it doesn’t work. Or at least no yet. Pence is no cleanup hitter. Chooch is no five hitter. Supporting players who have to fill in for the stars is always a bad thing. I remember in 91 when Magic was my first pick in my fantasy draft (I brought his jersey to the draft) and I spent the whole year playing Sedale Threatt in his place. Not a good year.

    Its not Charlie’s fault or Ruben’s fault. It just is.

    The Dipsy

    The Dipsy

  29. TheDipsy

    May 9, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    “overpaid drag” = Rollins.

    The Dipsy

  30. bacardipr05

    May 9, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Your last statement Dipsy is kind of contradictory. First you blame Rube and at the end you say its no one fault.

  31. TheDipsy

    May 9, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    I didn’t blame Rube. I said he made moves and that the moves were made when we had a different team.

    The Dipsy

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