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Brian Sanches Outrighted; Roy Halladay Returns


Joe Savery can breathe easier tonight. He’ll be a Phillie for a bit longer, afterall.

In the corresponding move to Roy Halladay being activated from the DL, Brian Sanches was outrighted to Triple-A Lehigh Valley. Sanches was ineffective in 6.1 IP, posting a 9.95 ERA and allowing 4 HR in his second tour with the Phils. Halladay will start tonight against the Dodgers in LA.

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  1. Manny

    July 17, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Buh bye!

  2. George

    July 17, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    I feel sorry for the IronPigs.

    • "Big Ed" Delahanty

      July 17, 2012 at 10:23 pm

      So do I. Have the Yankees put Qualls in front of a firing squad yet? I hope so.

      • Lefty

        July 17, 2012 at 10:32 pm

        If you’d call Trout, Pujols and Trumbo a firing squad, the answer is yes.
        1.1 IP, 4 hits, 3 runs, 3 earned, 1 BB, zero K’s and a wild pitch. A typical night for Qualls.

  3. Andrew From Waldorf

    July 17, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Here its OK for Howard to hit vs a lefty in the 8th.

    In other cities they dont just send players up aimlessly to fail.
    They play to win.

    SF benched Zito and Rowland simply to beat a team like the phillies.

    Here we have our stars and they hit 1 3 and 4.
    Regardless of anything else they will hit.

    Charlie, Ruben, the fans and the orginazation stand behind this.

    I am horrible for even pointing this out.

    • schmenkman

      July 17, 2012 at 5:24 pm

      AFW, can you tell me which of the following get pinch-hit for vs. lefties? I honestly don’t know, but it sounds like you do…

      Andre Ethier? .605 OPS vs. LHPs in 2011-12
      Justin Morneau? .396
      Adam Dunn? .514
      Carl Crawford? .570
      Eric Hosmer? .576
      Ichiro Suzuki? .584
      Jason Heyward? .624
      Cameron Maybin? .641
      Nick Markakis? .646
      Shin-Soo Choo? .667

  4. Andrew From Waldorf

    July 17, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Adam Dunn?????????

    That was a total pull the pants down for me. I said youd trade them all for Dunn and they wouldnt.
    With the 122 average last year.

    Ryan Howard would not hit for me in a close game vs a lefty in the late innings.

    He wouldnt.
    Id send up a pitcher or anyone else.
    A woman from the stands.

    Why would you send him up?

    What belief do you have?

    Not even so much tonight or in the regular season.

    But if the miracle happened and they made the playoffs.

    If 700 year old Arthur Rhodes threw 7 000 000 pitches the big contract wasnt hitting any of them.

    Why do I want to win and you dont?

    • schmenkman

      July 17, 2012 at 6:11 pm

      While that was illuminating, you forgot to answer the question — which manager pinch hits for his platoon-challenged hitter?

  5. Bob in Bucks

    July 17, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Andrew –
    Obviously there is a statistical argument for what you say. But put into context. The Phils are locked into Howard – whatever you say about the decision that is a fact. So the Phils need to get what they can which means they need a motivated Howard. Pinch hitting for a star late in the game will have a negative effect on his pysche. It will, how much I don’t know. These are human beings not statistical models.

    Another point is that you after you pinch hit for him he is gone. So if the close game becomes tied and you have to go around the lineup again there is no Howard and perhaps the lefty is out of the game.

    When you add those two together you will tend to keep in your left handed challenged start. Which gets back to Schmenkman’s question and why the answer is none. What these manager’s know is that these are people and you have a limited bench.

    We all want to win but there are lots of way to win AND lots of ways to lose.

  6. Andrew From Waldorf

    July 17, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Andrew from waldorf

    Andrew doesnt even start him vs a left handed starter.


    Benching the king. What would the other Primma Donalds think?

    The kings sits.

  7. Bob in Bucks

    July 17, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Thanks for that well thought out response. I am done with responding to your rants.

    • Morris Buttermaker

      July 17, 2012 at 6:42 pm

      Don’t feed the trolls. It only encourages them to come back.

      • Morris Buttermaker

        July 17, 2012 at 6:44 pm

        Man, I should take my own advice. But he just typed “Primma Donalds”. I can make fun of that for years. Moral dilemma here.

      • Ryne Duren

        July 18, 2012 at 9:32 pm

        morris “primma donalds” is a new burger joint. so far thet have a sign posted 0 sold ! i heard the only thing on their menu is…” wheeler” muffin burger .

    • schmenkman

      July 17, 2012 at 6:47 pm

      Performance art.

      Gettin’ old though.

      Like the Phillies.
      Rollins Utley Howard.

  8. Andrew From Waldorf

    July 17, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Square 1

    The entitlement of starting Oswalt over Worley in game 4 last year is why we are here.

    Entitling the old guys is 100% of every problem.

    I start Worley in game 4.
    And I sit Howard and hit Worley 4th.

    Worley pitches and plays first.
    Guess what. It couldnt have been worse.

    And I bet Worley would have run to first on a fair ball.
    Unlike Rollins.
    Hes locked up though. So you can be happy.

  9. moondog

    July 17, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Hey Andy from WalMart. The Phils stunk without Howard in the lineup in case you missed it.Ty Wig and AAAAberry didn’t cut it. They won 102 games last year with Howard carrying them. Utley bats third because no one else on this team can. You are right about JRoll leading off though.
    You do know repeating the stuff all the times means you’re stupid.

  10. brooks

    July 17, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Did someone mention Roy Oswalt???

  11. brooks

    July 17, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Andrew has stirred up more mix on this site than Aunt Jemimah

  12. Jaron B

    July 17, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    it is time to put cloyd on the 40-man!

  13. Andrew From Waldorf

    July 17, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    I just want to clarify this for all you Ruben Amaro and Charlie Manuel lovers.

    The next time Pence looked at a ball wrong
    Not an error not a misplay
    He catches the ball.
    He looked wrong

    Id put him on the curb and hed walk back home.
    From houston or LA or wherever it was.
    Just like Rollins should have when he didnt run to first in game 5 and Howard should have when he was swiinging away 3-0.

    There are no repurcussions . Not in this land.

    Let Andrew from Waldorf manage the team.

    I bet they run to first. ??????
    Or Id cut them and thier 150 million dollar contract and id eat it.

    0-162 but they will run to first. They wont laugh at a loss.
    This is not acceptable but to a few of you.

    They can hit 10000000000000000000000000 home runs for a losing team.

    A winner runs to first.
    You Charlie and Ruben accept this.

    I do not.
    Carry on

    • Ryne Duren

      July 18, 2012 at 9:38 pm

      i’d definately make j-bag trot all the way back to philly just so we could tell him he’s got to trot all the way home to oakland! you’ve been traded jimmy! and charlie wants to know if he can come with you, so he can talk them into batting leadoff.

  14. TheDipsy

    July 17, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    I agree. You are a major league baseball player. You get paid zillions of dollars. I get paid squat and I still try my best. If you can’t run hard to first base than you are a dog, a canine, a mutt. I decided last year when Brown didn’t run that ball out that I was done with him. I want him in CF for the rest of the year to build his trade value but I don’t want him on my team. A guy not running a ball out is kinda like what they say about dogs: A dog can be the best dog in the world until he bites. Then you take him out and shoot him. A guy not running out a grounder is despicable and it is a glimpse into a man’s heart. Word.

    The Dipsy

    • Ken Bland

      July 17, 2012 at 9:03 pm

      Damn, Dipsy, I hope I never kill anybody and have you on my jury. You gave the guy life for that 1 incident?

      I guess if I actually killed somebody, it’d be fair to have you on my jury. Maybe if I were falsely accused, or had good reason, like the killee was a Mets fan, I’d prefer a different juror.

    • Ryne Duren

      July 18, 2012 at 9:42 pm

      if they call him up tell him not to hang with j-bag! better yet trade j-bag and his 34 rbi in the middle of june.

  15. therookie300

    July 17, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    What if running out all those plays to first is what caused Chase’s knees to fall apart? People might think differently then.

    • Ryne Duren

      July 18, 2012 at 9:51 pm

      are you serious about that comment? i was an electrian for years i guess twisting my wire nuts screwed my hands up! but i made a good living! maybe i shouln’t have! how dare my boss expect me to do my job the way i’m supposed to! who doe’s he think he is? and who do these people think they are asking me to make sure my nuts are tight so they don’t lose their electric! and if they lose their electric they can’t type stupid remarks on their computers about guys running hard to first base!

      let me ask you something. doe’s your head hurt when you get out of bed in the morning? heres a simple way to cure that if it does. try getting out of bed FEET FIRST

  16. loupossehl

    July 17, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Howard blew out his achilles tendon on the last play of the ’11 playoffs, and it cost him half a year and his absence was a major factor in all but eliminating us from the ’12 post-season.

    But he looked great in trying to run out a routine grounder, and was a “real winner” …

    Just thought I’d point out the other side of the argument.

    P.S. OT: I thought “Prima Donald” was that schmuck casino owner in New Jersey.

    • Ryne Duren

      July 18, 2012 at 10:04 pm

      well now another smart one! what or why did howard run hard? that’s the question fool! he ran hard for me and you, and all of us fans. even after he blew it out, watch the video it’s tells you something about the man himself! he tried to run on it even after it blew but the pain must have been too much and he collapsed. and i don’t think for one second that he was thinking about 2012 he was trying to win now!

      now on the other hand watch vidoes of j-bag pulling up short 99% of the time. that tells you about the man! j-bags contract he just signed has a vesting part in it . it automatically kicks in after the first 2 years if he gets a certain amount of AB’s during that time. now here’s another question . what kind of a man do you think j-bag is gonna be the next 2 years to get that fourth year of 11 mil to kick in? the howard and utley type who’ll bust it for us? or the person that you expect to pull up short for himself?

  17. TheDipsy

    July 17, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    So, you guys are “anti” running out ground balls? OK. Just checking.

    The Dipsy

  18. Manny

    July 17, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    No idea where to post this… but if anybody is interested in trading 4 of my Friday night tickets for 3 tickets for Saturday’s game, please let me know!!!

    I’m going to Philly on Fri but won’t be able to make it to that game… have to go to Saturday’s instead. My tix are Terrace level.

  19. TheDipsy

    July 17, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    I’m a compassionate person, Ken. I really am. Just not towards guys who don’t run out grounders.

    The Dipsy

    • Ken Bland

      July 17, 2012 at 9:15 pm

      Oh, okay, then I’ll go out and kill somebody then.

      But seriously, I hate that, too, and I know the game has many, many players who don’t need to learn from that experience, and I wasn’t too thrilled with it either, but I’m still naive enough to hope his athletic talent translates to baseball success, including a killer instinct. Maybe I was read too many fairy tales as a kid, but that’s my hope

  20. Chuck A.

    July 17, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    I agree. It pisses me off when guys don’t run hard down the line.

    • Kevin

      July 18, 2012 at 1:38 pm

      I agree also.

      I, too, am an irrational, nut-job.

  21. Ken Bland

    July 17, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    One thing about this here blog, it’s all Phillie fans, whether views are similar or not.

    So I don’t mean to cross lines by a couple mentions of other clubs that might inspire anti- feelings, but a couple things on individual notes catching my attention on the out of town scoreboard as we are t minus less than an hour until The Doc.

    First, Decline alert. Albert Pujols has raised his average to .279 and homer total to 16 with a 3-3 effort against Detroit. Pujols has been in decline for about 3 years. He continues to reinforce it.

    Same game, Trout alert. Mike has upped his average to .354. He’s now on top of the mark needed to become the first 20 year old to hit .350 since Ty Cobb. Ty Freaking Cobb. That is huuuge when your baseball skills or ahievements are mentioned with Cobb. One irony of the Angles situation is that Pujols is like the greatest player of some measure of time or competition by reputation. He’s only a rook, with a long way to go, but wouldn’t it be ironic if the greatest whatever he is in Pujols is actually playing with the greatest in his yet to be determined category in Trout.

    Lastly, in no way, shape or form am I comparing the situations, but there’s another quality pitcher making his 2012 re-debut tonight, and in his case sans any rehab against actual competition. CC Sabathia. 6 shutout innings, 4 hits, 6K, 1 walk versus a Batistaless Jays.
    squad. Let’s see how close Doc comes to approaching those impressive results.

    • Lefty

      July 17, 2012 at 10:37 pm

      If you like baseball and are not paying attention to Mike Trout, you are missing something special. I watched his game tonight – dude might have 6 tools, or 7, 8. However many there are, he’s got more. Jersey kid looks like a budding superstar.

      • Ken Bland

        July 17, 2012 at 10:50 pm

        Not to take their futures for granted, although they both seem real, real bright, it’ll be fascinating to compare the free agent experiences of Trout and Harper to Cole’s when their time comes.

        Cole’s will seem like .5 on the Richter scale.

        Mooooocho bucks!

  22. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    July 17, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    I’m with Dipsy and Chuck that players need to run out ground balls, routine or not. Maybe I’m old school like that, but I’m Ed Delahanty, and in my day, if you didn’t run out grounders, you got thrown off a moving train.

    @Ken: I used to pal around with Cobb at his famous drinking, whores, and card parties. Tough SOB and one of my favorite players of all-time. To see this kid match or beat his record would put him in the company of THE best. But if he does succeed can he raise his average that much more and then keep it at the level for his entire career? Not likely, but he is Jersey boy so we cannot rule anything out.

    Hoping Doc sends the Dodgers to the infirmary.

    • Ken Bland

      July 17, 2012 at 10:35 pm

      ISpeaking of old timers, I’m on the Dodgers feed tonight (, and it’s really weird listening to Vinnie live 2 days after listening to the tape of By, Bill, and Whitey. Vinnie was at his peak when they did those calls, and that he’s still very listenable to is really an amazing thing.

    • schmenkman

      July 17, 2012 at 10:48 pm

      Ed, I was wondering if you knew that Rollins passed you recently for 2nd most extra base hits in Phillies history. He’ll never catch Schmidt though.

  23. Ken Bland

    July 17, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    21 pitches that inning, seemingly a lot of them more stress than not.

    And the Dodgers turned the lineup, which figures to be to their advantage.

    Be nice to see some mid game groove before the Doc’s night is done. At this point, 5 innings looks like the max, which was about what was expected, but even pitchinjg better, 4 might be the way to go.

    It’s only his 1st start back, so we’re not looking for miracles.

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