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Hot Stove: Phils’ Prez Interested in Hamilton?

The biggest piece of news today came from a Tweet from CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman. Heyman noted that Phillies’ President Dave Montgomery, when asked of the club’s interest in Josh Hamilton, stated “I don’t think there’s a whole lot we’re not considering.” Is this lip service, a coy hint about Hamilton, or an indication of wholesale change? It likely falls somewhere between the first and second choices. The Mariners have now reportedly joined the Hunt for Hamilton, with their president stating that they are “looking” at the slugger. The Phillies, Orioles, Braves, Red Sox, and Mariners are believed to be the official suitors for Hamilton.

Ken Rosenthal reported late last night that the Phillies are now kicking the tires on multi-positional players such as Marco Scutaro and Jeff Keppinger. Many of the Phillies Nation staff urged the Phillies to sign Keppinger last season for his ability to play second and third and has played every position on the field except for catcher. Keppinger, 32, has played an above average third base and outfield but has been below average defensively at first and second. The righty utility player had a fantastic offensive year in 2012, posting a .325/.367/.439 with 9 HRs in 418 PA for the Rays. Rosenthal also repeated the news that the Phillies remain interested in Kevin Youkilis.

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  1. Jimbo

    November 14, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Meh, I’m a little nervous. Don’t get me wrong, Hamilton would be a great addition but hes going to want so much for a contract that we can’t afford. However, if we sign him for 8 years (till hes 38) and we win just one world series its worth it, but that’s a big risk.

    • hk

      November 15, 2012 at 9:02 am

      Hamilton is 31 and will be 32 in the early part of next season. There’s almost no way that he will be worth an 8-year contract, even if the Phils win a World Series during that 8-year stretch unless Hamilton hits, fields and pitches the Phils to that World Series. Put another way, if the team is good enough to win a World Series in the next 8 years with Hamilton, the team should be good enough to win that same World Series with a replacement for Hamilton, especially since Hamilton projects to begin declining very soon.

  2. CS

    November 14, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    I’ll tolerate 4+ years cause we have a very small window to make the series with this generation. If we have to overbid, do so on a 40+hr guy.

  3. Manny

    November 15, 2012 at 6:49 am

    Marlins are shopping LoMO…. any thoughts on him?

    • EricL

      November 15, 2012 at 12:56 pm

      He’s a boorish buffoon who isn’t at all special on the baseball diamond.

    • Ian Riccaboni

      November 15, 2012 at 5:13 pm

      I like LoMo a lot. I’ll have more on him tomorrow in my off-season plan 🙂

  4. schmenkman

    November 15, 2012 at 7:52 am

    OT: Nate Silver, who started in baseball stats but became much more famous predicting elections, weighs in on the AL MVP (to be announced tonight):

    • Lefty

      November 15, 2012 at 12:59 pm

      There was a good show on MLB Network last night. They had a roundtable debate on it. Miggy won 4-3. It’s on again at 2pm.

  5. Chuck A.

    November 15, 2012 at 10:30 am

    I reeeaaaaallllly don’t want us to sign Josh Hamilton. Too often injured. Too much personal baggage. I would just stay away.

    • Lefty

      November 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm

      I’ll carry his baggage if someone will pay me 5 percent of what he’s going to make,

  6. Ken Bland

    November 15, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Kudos to the 6 scribes who gave first place votes to Mike Trout for MVP. Still, I can’t be critical of the 22 that voted Miguel Cabrera first place. Somebody gave Adrian Beltre a 2nd place vote, I wonder which leading candidate he didn’t vote in the top 2.

    Both Hunter Pence and Raul received votes for MVP. Despite usually rooting for ex-Phils, and they both left good impressions, my reaction to those ballots is those boys (or girls) need psychological help. And fast.

    Miggy mighta got the Triple crown, but Buster Posey is the King of the Hill. MVP and a ring in the same year beats the Triple Crown. What a storied career so far!

    • Lefty

      November 15, 2012 at 7:33 pm

      You know what, I won’t do it cause it’s a waste of time, but I could make a case for Beltre getting a second place vote. He owned August and September. 2 writers per city- I’m sure one the guys in Arlington is responsible, and I can’t blame him.

      Trivia time-

      Name the last MVP to win a World Series the same year?

      • EricL

        November 15, 2012 at 9:37 pm

        The guy giving Beltre the 2nd place vote, and thus moving Trout down to THIRD, was actually Sheldon Ocker of the Akron Beacon Journal.

        And they wonder why papers are dying. They should look into hiring writers who are at least as smart as the average reader.

        Anyway, the guys who voted for Cabrera are wrong and stupid, but I’m not going to get too worked up about it. Every time they do something like this it’s another step toward their own irrelevancy.

      • Lefty

        November 15, 2012 at 11:29 pm

        I’d have voted for Trout, but I can’t say I’m surprised or disappointed that Cabrera won. Baseball is a game that honors its traditions. And the triple crown, which hasn’t occurred in 45 years was something I knew the writers would not be able to get past. If the Triple Crown had been won recently or more often, then maybe Trout wins today.

      • EricL

        November 16, 2012 at 12:44 am

        Yeah, but that’s just silly because it depends on other players.

        If Josh Hamilton doesn’t drink too many 5-hour energy drinks Cabrera probably doesn’t win the triple crown. Heck, if Cabrera had to face his own pitching staff instead of one of the Twins, White Sox and Indians 18 times each he probably doesn’t win the triple crown – he only finished .004 BA points ahead of Trout.

        I mean, with the exact same stat line he would not have won the triple crown last season, and thus Trout if he had his exact same stat line probably wins. Which is weird, because the value Cabrera would have provided would have been exactly the same, but it would be perceived differently because of what someone else did.

        It’s all silliness.

    • schmenkman

      November 15, 2012 at 7:37 pm

      Ken, agree on all points, and particularly Pence and Ibanez. There’s one (or two) in every crowd.

  7. Ken Bland

    November 16, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    I coulda swore a writer from Akron did something really stupid in the voting a year ago, maybe 2 that was ridiculous. I can’t remember. Maybe left a top 2 type candidate off his ballot completely. I just recall it was something really unbelievable.

    Last MVP winner to win a WS is the way Lefty’s question, I dunno, I don’t know if Gibson’s don’t believe what I just sw shot earned him Series MVP, he won the reg season honor. I don’t think he played the rest of that series. Pujols won MVP in ’05, but Cards swept Tigers in 06, and I don’t know if he was MVP in 06. Schmidt might well have done it in 80. Don’t ask trivia questions without stating the prize. I need motivation to strain my brain, or cheat and look it up on the net.

    Re Raul, that’s a complete joke, 10th place, and Hunter is a hair shy of a complete joke. Not to speak for the yo-yo that gave Hunter a vote, but if ya wanna figure he had like 17 shiots and 65 ribs in H1 and kept the Phils afloat, or semi afloat, and then gave Posey some help inspirationally, then I could kinda sorta fractionally partially maybe see giving him a 10th place vote. But it’s a real stretch. And maybe a nice personal favor by some writer.

    • Lefty

      November 16, 2012 at 1:21 pm

      Gibson is the answer. I didn’t ask who won the MVP in both the regular season and WS if that’s what you were thinking, sorry I didn’t mean to mislead.

      I just had heard who was the last MVP to also win the WS, and found it almost as hard to believe as Jack Buck did, that it has been that long- 24 years. One thing it shows is that they truly take the vote before the postseason, I guess that’s a good thing.

      • Ken Bland

        November 16, 2012 at 1:36 pm

        I could easily look it up, maybe later, but Schmidt, I’m pretty sure was definitely the MVP in 80 (48/121, I think) and coulda swore his .364 in the WS got him the MVP. That’d be 8 years before Gibby anyway. But Gibby’s ’88 MVP was interesting. 24 homers and 75 ribs, and I think MAYBE ..280. And as I recall, he was a pretty clear choice. Prolly be interesing to look back at the results and numbers for that years to see if a new conciousness supported or dissuaded his candidacy..

        I hate to think how many MVP’s Babe would have won if they hadn’t started it around 1930, as well as WS MVP’s. I bet he walkes off with 10 hardly disputable MVP awards if it had started 15 years prior. It was cool thateveral guys were tied at 3, including Schmidt until Barry broke it open with 7. 7 MVP’s, no matter what is obscene. And babe would have crushed that.

        Hope I’m close on all these numbers. Pretty sure I am, but could be pretty embarrasing if I’m way off. Apologies for any bad info.

      • schmenkman

        November 16, 2012 at 1:43 pm

        Interestingly, they did have a kind of MVP award going back to 1922, and Ruth only won in 1923. He may have won in 1920 and 1921 if there was one.

      • Ken Bland

        November 16, 2012 at 3:17 pm

        I skimmed the Wiki link Schmenkman attached on the history and in skimming it, I didn’t see something I learned about a year ago when we were discussing elsewhere early MVP days. You couldn’t win 2 years in a row. Gehrig had some from another solar system year and was ineligible because he’d won the year before. Like 49 homers, 173 ribs and .370. That’s not an endorsement of ribbies, but whether you like ’em or not, it’s a lot, and those are the only numbers I remember, if I remember them even semi correctly. I also seem to recall it was Lou’s career year.

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