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Spring Training Gameday 2013: Phillies v. Twins

http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/53/65/full/1196.gifMinnesota Twins vs. Philadelphia Phillies

Time: 1:05 pm

Hammond StadiumFort Myers, FL

Weather: 77, 30% Chance of Storms

TV: n/a

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John Lannan takes the hill against the Minnesota Twins today.  He is scheduled to be followed by Adam Morgan, who is celebrating his 23rd birthday today, Antonio Bastardo, B.J. Rosenberg, Justin De Fratus, and whoever is going to replace the now traded Michael Schwimer.


1. Revere– CF

2. Galvis – SS

3. Brown – LF

4. Howard – 1B

5. Ruiz – C

6. Mayberry– RF

7. Frandsen- 3B

8. Betancourt- 2B

9. Orr– DH

Go Phillies!



  1. Dave

    February 27, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Is anyone but me concerned about the fact that Utley is not in the lineup again today?

    • Ian Riccaboni

      February 27, 2013 at 12:07 pm

      Dave – a lot of veterans do not travel for away Spring games. Ft. Myers to Clearwater is 5 hrs round trip. It’s a planned day off for that reason.

  2. Dave

    February 27, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Yes, you’re right Ian. I remember reading that he probably would not make those trips. I forgot about that. Of course after the last two springs we are going to be over-analyzing everything regarding Utley!

  3. Bart Shart

    February 27, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    I’d like to see Ruf get more playing time. Is he hurt?

  4. Arc

    February 27, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    theres no game on either channel

    • Ken Bland

      February 27, 2013 at 1:15 pm

      you said the season was oiver, so I had the station engineers disconnect the connection to your radio.

      Ryan Howard rbis the Phils to a 1-0 lead. On the way to a win streak.


      “The SZeason is over”

      February, 2013

      *AFM = Arc, the foolish Moron

      Condascendingly yours,

      Ken E. Baseball

      • Chuck A.

        February 27, 2013 at 1:50 pm

        This. Is. Funny.

      • Arc

        February 27, 2013 at 2:13 pm

        The only thing perennially worse than Phila general managers, and coaches are the stereotypical phila fan. The only city that breeds infighting because of a difference of opinion.

        They say this city has fandom of that on par with soccer hooligans. ken bland, and chuck a posts attest to this thuggery.

        If you dont agree with people who dont share your opinion or fanaticism; its ok. this is America, people can have a difference of opinion, even about a Philadelphia sports team. Stop feeding the stereotype.

        By the way, in order to inject some objectivity to my above comments; there are other posters on here who disagree with me and do it respectfully, so yeah, its just you.

      • Arc

        February 27, 2013 at 2:26 pm

        Chuck A; I refuse to call you what I so badly want to, but do you live in a vacuum?
        Have you not witnessed the regression offensively of this #1 offense for the last 3 seasons?
        when I see the same batting approach in spring 2013, yeah, Im concerned. When I see the correlation between the phils regular and post season success with the lack of hits/hr which Amaro still refuses to address with the acquisition of Revere, Young, and Young; yeah, Im concerned. But enough speculation, everyone on this site knows were I stand. Its my opinion. Hope Im wrong, but i doubt it.

        On the other hand, aside from your knack for snide remarks; what evidence do you have to back your position; if you have any other than pure fanaticism?

    • Arc

      February 27, 2013 at 2:04 pm

      fool 1 |foōl|
      a person who acts unwisely or imprudently; a silly person : what a fool(ken bland) I am to have faith in a team whose general manager ruined the next 10 years in order to assemble the best pitching staff with no offense.

      Fool 2 What a fool(ken bland) I am to seriously think a team can win when the general manager in essence is now doing his best to manage his mistakes of the last few years and assemble a team who cant even hit spring training pitching

      Hey, I didnt get a poloroid of your face when the Giants and Cards upet the Phils in 2010-2011. Could you please send me one this fall when the phils get eliminated in the regular season?

      • Dave P

        February 27, 2013 at 2:11 pm

        roffle, webster’s dictionary come back. That’ll cut him deep.

      • Chuck A.

        February 27, 2013 at 2:14 pm

        Fool 3
        A person that actually worries about the results of games (hitting and pitching) when we’re not even out of the month of February.

      • Arc

        February 27, 2013 at 2:15 pm

        Dave p it was actually Oxford. Websters is for secondary school. Hope I didnt cut too deep?

  5. Matt

    February 27, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Im worrying about utley … We heard bullshit for awhile last year also and we all know what the outcome was… Yesterday he didn’t play at all either, they said it was because the field was wet….. It didn’t look bad to me…. Seems with that statement that he maybe hurt.

    • Ken Bland

      February 27, 2013 at 1:49 pm

      If it makes you feel better, Jim (CSN) Salisbury tweeted this about 15 minutes before you posted your thought.

      “Lots of Phils fans in Ft Myers. Btw, Utley is fine. Manuel has said for weeks that he will not make long trips. He will play in CLW & area.”

      As Ian, who wrote this article said in the comments…

      “a lot of veterans do not travel for away Spring games. Ft. Myers to Clearwater is 5 hrs round trip. It’s a planned day off for that reason”

      Your concern is understandable based on history, but everything seems okay from Florida, and that’s all we can go on.

    • Arc

      February 27, 2013 at 2:39 pm

      always worry about utley, and F**k what management says; they need you to buy tickets!!!!

  6. Andrew from Waldorf

    February 27, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    AFM, ARC


    Ken E. trying to confuse me?

    RE: Utley

    Come on guys if you are going to worry about the fossils and thier health you will be all greybeards trying to pick up hotties.

    You will be drinking a half gallon of grey goose every day like myself and Brooks.

    In race horsing terms Utley is former Kentucky derby winner running in a $3,000 claimer at a cheap track.
    You feel bad for the former champion toiling away. All broken down and sore. A shell of his former self.

    I really dont mind Galvis at 2B.

    Although I will say I hope Chase is healthy and has a big year.

    Chances of that are not high though.

  7. Arc

    February 27, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I know by ken bland and chuck a’s logic this means nothing but, the phils have the fewest runs and hits of any NL team so far in spring training. As a matter of fact, they have the fewest hits in all of major league baseball.

    • hk

      February 27, 2013 at 2:47 pm

      Are you seriously concerned about, or drawing any conclusions from, these facts?

      • Ken Bland

        February 27, 2013 at 3:03 pm

        Sure. Firm ones, too.

      • Lefty

        February 27, 2013 at 3:43 pm

        kb- I just read your above comment in the “recent comments” section on the right side of the page before clicking it and ending up here. It looked funny out of context over there-

        “Sure, Firm ones, too.”

      • Ken Bland

        February 27, 2013 at 3:47 pm

        I was busy stuydying the all important spring training stats and didn’t have time to write more.

      • Arc

        February 27, 2013 at 4:00 pm


      • hk

        February 27, 2013 at 4:36 pm

        Have you ever heard the term “small sample size”?

        What do you infer from the facts that the KC Royals have outscored their opponents 36-17 while the Angels and Rangers have been outscored 23-38 and 21-39, respectively?

        Are you relieved that, after scoring 5 runs today, the Phils are averaging as many runs per game as Atlanta and Pittsburgh and more runs per game than Milwaukee and Washington?

    • Arc

      February 27, 2013 at 4:04 pm

      looks like ken bland needs to stop “stuydying” baseball stats and open a spelling book.
      With his logic it figures.

  8. brooks

    February 27, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    I heard it best explained the other day – regarding Paps and probably most of the seasoned veterans on the club – The 9th inning is about adrenalin. To pitch in the middle of a game, a spring training game means absolutely nothing.
    Just warm ups.
    Chill boys, chill..

  9. Andrew from Waldorf

    February 27, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    @ ARC

    How long have you been reading here? And are you mocking paroding me?

    I feel now that the team is well under the radar. The first offensive player is being drafted in the 8th round.

    Whats the point? The offense sucks. Has basicly since 2009.
    And now its 4 years older.

    Ive been here since then crying about it. And how Ruben has locked down all the fan favorites forever.
    GMing like a fan on a blog would.

    Try to be a little nicer.
    For the most part these are good guys.

    Even if they see things with rose colored glasses and drink the kool aid sometime.

    Think about it.

    If this team makes the playoffs ( long shot)

    But if they did and Lee, Halladay and Hamels were healthy.

    They would have a shot.

    Even with the worst line up in baseball.

    Have fun and enjoy it while the team is still in first place for the next month.

  10. brooks

    February 27, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    I like cool aid

    • Andrew from Waldorf

      February 27, 2013 at 3:25 pm

      You like it better with Grey Goose, Wild Turkey or Bacardi?


      • Arc

        February 27, 2013 at 3:59 pm

        lol, Its amazing how easy it is to fleece philly fans. Sports execs know and love this. Philly is a cash cow. The people here want so bad to believe they bite at everything. I dont make these observations as a recent transplant or outsider; I was born and raised here. I love my city, but the philly ethos is very cliquish/provincial, and irritates me to no end sometimes. You cannot be a decenter to popular opinion without being labeled a heretic.

        Andy Reid ruined the eagles prospects of gaining a top tier qb for god knows how long.

        Amaro has ruined the chance of the phils gaining a top tier hitter at least through 2014, for which after that date it wont matter because our pitching staff will be reduced to Hamels and John Lennon, I mean Lannon.

  11. The Original Chuck P

    February 27, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Dom’s tearing it up, boys… 3 runs, an RBI and a double today. Howard has another hit and another RBI today, too. Nice to see those two guys taking it seriously.

  12. The Original Chuck P

    February 27, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    How special does your life have to be to troll in spring training… it’s not like we’re the Astros.

  13. Ken Bland

    February 27, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Lannan on today through Gelb….

    Four of his six outs Wednesday were on the ground, which was a good sign. Lannan allowed one run in two innings during his Grapefruit League debut. A few Twins made solid contact.

    “Yeah,” Lannan said, “so I’m relatively happy.”

    And he should be. But you talk about an impressive performance, spring or not. Tim Hudson today closed out his work with groundouts on the last 5 hitters he faced.

    • Arc

      February 27, 2013 at 4:15 pm

      Yo! hypocrite, If you discount the bad performances in spring training, how the hell can you call any performance “impressive”? Hudsons performance meaningless.

      By the way; Phillies 5, Twins 12. youre laughable!!!

  14. The Original Chuck P

    February 27, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Tim Hudson probably won’t make it into Cooperstown… but having had the privilege to watch him pitch, I’d say he’s damn good. His adjusted ERA is going to be better than a lot of pitchers already in Cooperstown (I’d say he’s as deserving as Jim Bunning, as well as some others).

    • Ken Bland

      February 27, 2013 at 3:45 pm

      I was curious what a quick look of career V Phils would look like.

      Howard’s done well against him, about .333 BA, 1.100 OPS, 66 at bats.

      But a couple that surprised me, Frandsen is 5-10 off him, and Mayberryis 4-13 with 2 rips.

      Hall or not, a fine career.

  15. Ken Bland

    February 27, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    12-5, Twinkies. Got em just about where we want ’em.

    Nice ERAs from the pen early in the spring.

    Paps 81.00 (I was being sarcastic using the word nice)

    DeFratus 15.00 (I guess that could stand some improvement, too)

    B.J. 15.00 and the hits just keep on comin’g

    We’ll see Adams tomorrow. Should be semi compelling, back on tv, and against the Braves. This one, yuck. Cept for Brown and Howard. Keep getting after it, you two.

    • Chuck A.

      February 27, 2013 at 4:13 pm

      Arc is probably having a coronary right about now upon learning THOSE stats.

      Seriously, where did this clown come from anyway? He actually makes our beloved AFW seem like a combination of Sigmund Freud, Albert Einstein and Steven Hawking. (We love ya, Andrew!)

  16. Andrew from Waldorf

    February 27, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Here you go Lefty.
    Ironic I said the same thing a few days ago.

    Our guys are finaly so devalued that they offer fantasy value.
    I hope this article doesnt cost me my shot at howard in the 8th round.


    • Lefty

      February 27, 2013 at 4:25 pm

      I’m definitely going to give Dom Brown a shot in round 12-15 assuming he’ll be there. I’ll shy away from Howard, not because I don’t agree with the link, but because there will be too many other good choices. I’m thinking someone like Paul Goldschmidt might be a good play.

      P.S. Some of the comments below the article are a hoot. Well worth the time.

      • Andrew from Waldorf

        February 27, 2013 at 4:46 pm

        Brown is currently owned in only 5% of yahoo leagues.
        Id say you either draft him in the very last round or you can get him as a free agent. Unless of course your league is phillie fans and yuo really want him. He is otherwise not a hot fantasy commodity.

        Regarding me taking a flyer on Howard.

        Ill take a firstbaseman very early. A Votto Fielder type of stud.
        In my league I have 2 utility positions and I always try to stick first baseman in those 2 slots.
        As a 2nd or 3rd 1B used in the utility spot taken in round 8.
        There is real value there.

        I am sure after saying this out loud though some goober will take him in round 4 making it all moot now.

      • The Original Chuck P

        February 27, 2013 at 5:23 pm

        The problem with first baseman is that there are very few first tier first basemen who are “no doubt about it” guys. I’d say three… maybe four. There are a lot of next tier 1B with upside but they aren’t sure thing guys. So after those three first tier guys, you’re gambling and as an absolute rule, I don’t gamble with my first two picks. So I say, if you don’t get Votto or Pujols or Prince, you might as well wait because the value of the next 15 guys on the board is going to be relatively close and you can let everyone else get in and out of that pool and stilll walk away with decent value. I’d say wait on the first baseman and fill other positions that don’t have as much depth – 3B, 2B, SS… you won’t find good options at those positions in the later rounds.

      • Lefty

        February 27, 2013 at 5:30 pm

        I’m in a Keeper league, so the Vottos, Fielders, etc. are not available. I have to make a value pick at 1b. Last year I got Billy Butler and Alan Craig who both played well and I may go that direction again. We keep 9, so there are 16 rounds in the draft. That’s why I said 12-15. Don’t want to wait until last round in case a a heavy Phils fan is involved, but I will let Dom slide as long as I can. I’ll consider Howard, but it’s not likely.
        I think Brown could be a real value pick.

        Hail to the goobers.

  17. brooks

    February 27, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Yes, a little vodka with that kool aide – nice shot there Andrew.

  18. Matt

    February 27, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    holy crap this team sucks this year , so far. Organzational depth, I guess that means dumpster dwellers. Garbage just garbage At this rate the Lastros are better.

    • schmenkman

      February 27, 2013 at 4:56 pm

      There is no “so far” yet. Play begins on April 1st.

      Not only do these games not count, but they are nearly meaningless in what they tell us about how good the team will be. The most important thing they tell us is whether players are healthy, and all the news in that department “so far” is good.

      • hk

        February 27, 2013 at 5:00 pm

        Wait, are you saying we shouldn’t get all worked up about the Royals being 4-0 while the Rangers and Angels are 0-4 or that the Marlins are playing .750 ball after everyone wrote them off after their fire sale?

      • Chuck A.

        February 27, 2013 at 5:07 pm

        People that get worked up over Spring Training stats and outcomes are the same people that are getting worked up over the fact that Chase Utley didn’t make the trip to Ft. Myers today…after management MADE IT CLEAR that he wouldn’t travel far away from Clearwater this spring.

      • The Original Chuck P

        February 27, 2013 at 5:24 pm

        The Yankeees have scored fewer runs than any other team in ST so far… who cares. It doesn’t matter. Try not to get too excited or too depressed.

      • Lefty

        February 27, 2013 at 5:34 pm

        OCP- I think the Yankees may have a real problem. I’m not basing that on ST numbers, I just think they lost too much, and now the Granderson injury. Could be a tough year for baseball in the big apple.

    • Arc

      February 27, 2013 at 6:01 pm

      Many of the self righteous philly/taliabn fanatic fans on this site live in a vacuum. Are spring training games determinate of a good club? no, are they meaningless? no. If they were there would not be a spring training. If anything it gives management and players a chance to work on routines, practice, and weaknesses in the course of a 9 inning game.

      My critisim is not so much of ST performance, rather the offensive moves Amaro made that have not enhanced this club in any way. These low scoring games will not so much be the outcome of player performance whether meaningless or meaningful to the regular season, but more of the lack of personnel, similar to what the Yanks will face without Granderson. Thanks to the person who pointed that out for the regular rockheads.

      • Chuck A.

        February 27, 2013 at 6:08 pm

        What kind of vacuum? Hoover? Maybe Oreck or Dyson or Eureka or possibly Bissell?

      • schmenkman

        February 27, 2013 at 6:31 pm

        The word meaningless appeared here:

        “Not only do these games not count, but they are nearly meaningless in what they tell us about how good the team will be.”

        You don’t actually seem to disagree with that based on your last comment.

  19. Chuck A.

    February 27, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Last time the Phils won the World Series….2008….their Grapefruit League record was 12-18.
    In 2009, when they went to the Fall Classic, their Spring record was 13-19.

    Just sayin’.

    • Arc

      February 28, 2013 at 12:23 am

      A rockhead is a rockhead all the same. I guess he’ll never get it. With the vaccuum come back I see vocabulary is not his strong point.

    • Arc

      February 28, 2013 at 12:26 am

      The fact you checked that out shows me it means something, Because if it didnt then why did you care?

  20. Andrew from Waldorf

    February 28, 2013 at 1:05 am

    Rule 1
    If you comment on someone elses vocaulary or spelling ( particularily on a site without a spell check). You lose. Just ask Don M. Wheeler.

    Arc I tend to agree with alot of your points.

    I felt helpless alot of times here the last few years.
    I wanted so badly for Rollins to jsut be allowed to walk away.
    But it didnt happen.
    I saw for years the impending doom that RAJ was doing to this line up.
    I also think that the damage he is doing may take a decade to fix.

    The guys who post here are good guys who love the Phillies just like we do.
    They just get emotionaly attached to the players.
    The problem is RAJ is as bad as a poster on a blog.

    Wait till the reg season when the real trolls come out.

    Lets have some fun. Most the guys your posting to deserve some respect even if they are wrong alot of times.

    But try to be nice to people.

    • hk

      February 28, 2013 at 6:26 am


      AfW is right in that this is a place for civilized commentary on the Phils. AfW and you are not alone in your anti-RAJ position on this site. However, you will get much more respect if you come on here with substantive reasons why RAJ’s tenure has been / will be a disaster (e.g. overpaying in $ and/or years on the majority of the free agent contracts he signed, squandering 1st round picks and misusing Dom Brown) rather than claiming the sky is falling based on the fact that the Phils were the NL team with the fewest RS in Spring Training after 3 games (especially when many of the other NL teams had played 4 or even 5 games).

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