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2013 Gameday

Gameday: Royals (1-2) vs. Phillies (1-2)

Kansas City Royals vs. Philadelphia Phillies

Wade Davis vs Kyle Kendrick

Time: 4:05 PM, Citizens Bank Park
TV: CSN
Weather: Sunny/Wind, 55
Media: Twitter and Facebook

Mike Schmidt and George Brett are throwing out the first pitches, shade of 1980. The good old days are back. Baseball is back in Philadelphia.

Enjoy Opening day in Philadelphia!

LINEUP: Revere CF, Rollins SS, Utley 2B, Howard 1B, M. Young 3B, Brown LF, Nix RF, Kratz C, Lee P

Your gameday beer:Yuengling Lager

Budweiser is your basic, run of the mill beer. But chances are, if you’re tailgating on opening day, you’ll have a BUd product nearby. Happy tailgating!

GO PHILLIES!

123 Comments

123 Comments

  1. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    fast trip tp the bottom of the 3rd. Here we are.

  2. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Let’s be honest here. Chances of Kendrick not being overly amped aren’t very good. It’s the worst kept secret planet wide.

    Probably best to hope the settle down comes sooner than later.

    Spell check is indicating I spelled amped right.

    Steeeee-rike 1!

  3. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Ken read my comment on the other thread.

  4. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    All I know about their broadcasts are Denny Mathews and Paul Splittorff. Spell check said I spelled Paul’s name wrong. That’s possible, or maybe it just spell checks the living. And they might have worked a game together last some 20 years ago for all I know. No DH took Butler out I guess.

  5. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Here ya go, Andrew.

    Homeboy trying to go deep npw.

  6. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Next best thing. 1-1 RISP. Gotta start somewhere.

  7. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Well I guess since I started young and Howard Young becomes the weak link and Howard produces.

    Just a casual look at Youngs career numbers asks yuo why in 2013 yuod bring him in to hit 5th?

    Well why Ken?

  8. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    What is this spell sheck you speak of?

    I would use it if able.

    But I am posting as a guest I have no actual account.

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 4:32 pm

      The editors just applied it to those of me that type terribly. All mine, baby.

      D Brown.

      Bang

  9. Nah.Roots

    April 5, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Time to move Brown up.

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 4:31 pm

      Personally, I have little problem with that since I’m cool with 2 of the 3 able to put in good at bats against lefties. But in a month, with Chooch and D Young in the order. things should get better offensively. Spellcheck don’t like Chooch. I don’t like spellcheck.

  10. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    I’m told the DN cut the payoff in the homerun payoff inning? Is that accurate?

  11. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    I still have that sports illustrated somewhere.

    The WS that fatured the best 3b match up of all time.

    Boom for Kratz

    Watch Phils will score 15 and Howard and Young wont get anything cause I have in fantasy 🙁

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 4:41 pm

      good angle. Chase and Cano ’09 might be the same thing for 2B.

  12. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Had KK gone deep there, I’d have killed to have seen a live shot of Cliff’s reaction.

    So close, and back to the top of the order. Great job by the bottom pf the order from 6 down.

  13. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    AFDub,

    You couldn’t get Brown in fantasy?

  14. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Ive said for years the core of the line up was the problem. Now we have to get through the 2 ,3,4,5 spots in the order.

    Although 3 has been decent so far.

    Revere grounds into alot of DPs?

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      7 and 8 the last couple years. Couple this spring. Team doubles him up, they should celebrate.

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm

      5 straight Phil hitters retired as the Phils have been stuck on 9 hits in the 3rd. 2-3-4 to shake things up again

  15. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Mayberry’s dad is an obvious guess to the trivia q on who finished 2nd to Lynn in ’75 MVP balloting. For some reason, I’m thinking Amos Otis.

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 4:57 pm

      Course Brett could be the answer, too, and I’m wondering if Hal McRae had a career year around then.

  16. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    1926 world series

    Cardinals 2b Rogers Hornsby
    Yankees 2B Tony Lazzeri

    Kinda blows away Utley Cano.

    Well not kinda

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 4:53 pm

      that’s pretty fair.

      Guess you wouldn’t bite if I mentioned Pete and Butch Hobson for 3rd base competition. 🙂

    • schmenkman

      April 5, 2013 at 5:07 pm

      To rank them: 1) Hornsby, far below: 2) Utley, 3) Lazzeri, 4) Cano

  17. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    1914 gave us

    2B Eddie Collins for the Philadelphia Athletics
    2B Johnny Evers for the Boston Braves

    Both hall of famers also.

    Pete is in the discussion with Brett and Schmidt.

    Hobson is not.

    Although he was ( and may still be) managing the southern maryland blue crabs.
    Their stadium is 1 mile form my house.

  18. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Utley is a joy to watch.

    But its like watching secretariet race if he only had 3 legs.
    You can see the greatness but its too bad hes broke down.

    Big game for Howard!

    Come on Young

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 5:07 pm

      He sure looks to me like he’s moving and running well. Not like 6-7 years ago, but he looks fine to me.

      Wheels made a great point about how his steal took the Royals out of the shift, and RyHo hoit what would have been an easy out with the shift on.

      Give Howard credit, but Utley is such a difference maker.

  19. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    The good news…Schmidt and Brett in the booth when we come out of commercial.

    The bad news….Sarge will also be there.

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 5:24 pm

      That was such great television. George and Schmitty really roll together well., We’ve known it forever, but MLB is lucky the Brett family passed it’s way. God Bless Brother Ken, who pitched for the Phils. George is The Man. Three bleeping ninety. Good lord.

  20. Jeff of Nova

    April 5, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Brown had another great at bat, wish he would have driven in a run , but really working the count

  21. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Ken keep rubbing it in that I am forced to watch the Royals feed?

    They dont even have a trivia question.

    Just as a point of reference Schenk

    Lazzeri is a hall of famer. Utley will not unless he plays quite a few years as a cripple.

    Lazz ranked 148 on baseball refernce
    Utley 255

    Lazz career was over at 33 and Utley is still playing at 34.

    Of Course Lazzeri played in a line up with uth and Gehrig
    Utley gets Howard and Rollins.

  22. Jeff of Nova

    April 5, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Andrew what cable do you have, cause I have Fios and MLB ticket is having a free week

  23. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    lol, Tejada. Team Dominicana. Oh, Brother.

  24. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Wonder if 4 runs is gonna win this sucker. Losing a 4-0 lead would be pitiful.

    If the Gashoiuse Gang played the Tigers in the 30’s, and I think they might have, Frisch and Gehringer should have matched up as 2B. That’d be another set of guys that’d be high on the list of opposing 2B in the Series. Cards definitely were in back then, maybe 2-3 times.

  25. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    I have direct TV

    I purchase the baseball package every year since 2007. Coincidence?

    But its only offering the Royals feed today.

    Blowing this lead would indeed be a blow.

  26. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Thank you old man.

    I benched Butler

    if you pitch to him. He will do damage.

  27. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    1935

    Cardinals vs Tigers

    Frisch vs Gehringer.

    Both hall of famers both hit 3rd in their respective line ups.

  28. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Pretty sure KC had 5 players with 2 hit games in their first 3 games. Gordon could make for their 3rd one to do it today. Already their team high hit game of the first

  29. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Are you serious?

    Who is horsch?

    And nice play in right Nix

    You serve what purpose on this roser

  30. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Tough pen to come back on, too.

    Good ballclubs don’t lose this sort of game. Well, often anyway. But lotsa at bats left, so we’ll see.

    Certainly have to stop the bleeding here.

  31. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Well there goes the fun talk about the old days part of this gameday thread.

    This is pathetic

  32. Jeff of Nova

    April 5, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    That decision by JRol really hurt them

  33. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    April 5, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Please tell me I’m not having a nightmare, as I listen via radio, but did we just lose a four run lead to the Royals?! WTF!

  34. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    The object this inning is the pinch hitter for Horst bats with 2 on.

    If that happens, removed as it is, I’m thinking Frasden.

  35. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    KC

    Has had a guy making his first ever start for the franchise in their first 4 games.

    This is hardly a world beater team.

    I guess I need to follow spring training to brace myself for things like Horsch.

  36. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    That’s about 10 Phils in a row retired.

    Good way to solve any RISP at bats.

  37. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    11 in a row retired.

    As Yogi would say

    Its deja vu all over again

    and again and again and again

  38. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Kendrick is no wallflower. He’s reportedly been pissed a few times when he was yanked “early>” That wasn’t exactly a bad decision to pull him, but Charlie wouldn’t have pulled any of the Big 3 (at least Doc in the past), but the downhill slope since KK left is just frustrating,.

  39. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Horst

    Ken

    I am typing this from a fetal position under the coffee table.

    Will you come hold me?
    Make it better?

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 6:22 pm

      what a normal individual.

      I’d say crawl under the carpet, but Worst, I mean Horst is gone.

      For Durbin. oy.

  40. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Bases loaded and no one out

    Here coms the old man

    NO ONE OUT

    ts is a professional team?

    This is our Bulpen?

    this is our manager?

    Leave horsch out there/.

    Entertain me. Leave him for 3 innings old man

    Your offense is done hitting anyway

    Why tax the entire pen?

  41. Publius

    April 5, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    Why is Adams not out there

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 6:24 pm

      That is 1 great question, but you know why as well as I do.

      I lovethis creatures of habit approach.

      I guess it has SOME truth to it.

  42. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Nice throw Nix

    Ken

    In 100 words or less

    What purpose does Nix serve on this roster?

  43. Jeff of Nova

    April 5, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    This would be 2 bad outings for Durbin when do we worry about this

    • hk

      April 5, 2013 at 6:42 pm

      Some of us began worrying when they signed him.

  44. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    This is really and truly just disgraceful.

  45. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    And he walks Franceour

    Looks at these professional at bats by a semi pro team

    We can look forward to the phillies not having anymore
    unless utley or brown decide to look at a pitch or 2

  46. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Look at Babe GETZ

    I am turing to Happy days

    Seinfeld starts at 7

  47. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Nice play by the corner outfielders too

    This is GRAND!

  48. Jeff of Nova

    April 5, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    how about 100 words or less What purpose does Durbin serve on this roster?

    he has gotten 1 out in 2 outings 81.00 era

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 6:37 pm

      I forget all the details of the other night, but I remember it felt like he got criticized more than he deserved. And at least Charlie yanked him fast. But today, and when you need him to pick up a teammate, yuck. But it was compounded by Dom’s miserable play.

  49. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    April 5, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    How about double play balls and not walks to reload the bases. Durbin with Phils=mediocre. With the Braves=well above average! Back to the Phils= not impressive by any means. Sorry, guys, I am really disgusted right now!!! Actually, at 9-4, I’m beyond disgusted.

  50. Bart Shart

    April 5, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Durbin should have never made this team. Manuel should have pulled Kendrick after five innings, and that failure to make that decision is a major reason why we are losing right now.
    Damn, I’m pissed !!!!

  51. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Far and away, Dom’s worse play of the year, spring included. Can’t be patient off a play like that. Can’t harp on it rather, but that was weak.

    AFW, you asked the wrong person about Nix. I’m not a fan of his game. It’s not like he’s pathetic, but I don’t think he’s very good.

  52. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Ken you should chuckle at this.

    I am facing Chris Davis in fantasy this week.

    Chris Davis another homer and 5 RBI today
    He has a homer in the first 4 games and 16 RBI already

    He has made my fantasy week moot single handedly

    And now I get to watch the Phillies.

    Life is good

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 6:43 pm

      All I know about Davis is that even before today (which I hadn’t checked on), he was hitting .636, with an OPS of 2.400.

      Not bad for a slow start.

  53. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    The fightin Phils

    Id like tosee amaro go before charlie if possible.

    this may get very very nasty and very fast

  54. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    That was the Royals first home run of the season.

    That goes for the whole team.

    Thanks Rube

  55. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    April 5, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    What the hell, Valdes? I’m speechless.

  56. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Ill be at the track tomorrow night Ken.

    So ill miss our fightin phils

    I ownt DVR just catch the score on the drive home.

    Its all yours.

    Enjoy!

    • Ken Bland

      April 5, 2013 at 6:55 pm

      win some bux. fun as always.

  57. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Too much trouble to figure it out, but the Royals lefties must be like 7 for 11 against Phils lefties today.

  58. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Poor Charlie it isnt 2011 anymore.

    You cant pitch Hamels and Lee and Halladay till thier arms fall off.

    You get to use this pen.

  59. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    11-4

    Ill skip seinfeld for this.

    This is funnier

  60. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    So the Royals have outscored the Phils 11-0, but what blows me away even more is they have outhit them since the tide turned darned close to 13 to nothing. It is a total WHUPPING.

  61. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Howard swining as hard as he can bases empty down 7

    I mean he may make contact

    and everyone could leave the park happy

    or he may K

  62. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Collins looks good.

    Maybe trade for him?

  63. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    I’ll take a guess at this. KC’s batting average as a team was .177 coming into today. Tomorrow morning, I’ll say .240/. And I guess they’ll pass Chris Davis in the RBI race. Sometimes, the ball looks like a grapefruit.

    • Ken Bland

      April 6, 2013 at 10:39 am

      The Royals team average jumped to .257, 80 points in 1 game. Nice jump, early season or not. It moved them from 15th in the AL to 6th. Nice jump.

      Whereas the Royal had 5 guys get 2 hits in a game in their first 3 games, yesterday, they had 5 guys get at least 2 hits.

      People look at the Phils schedule over a duration of time, and attatch it to a degree of difficulty. Most common is the first 40 games or so is “easy.” Over the course of that time, opponents playing the Phils are subject to the same projections. When they see the Phils on the schedule, I wonder if they consider them easy, average or difficult. And I specifically wonder if KC observors thought of this series as easy, average, or difficult.

  64. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Andrew,

    You can’t tell me KC announcers still sound Midwest.

    They gotta be fired up.

  65. arc

    April 5, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    someone tell me why charlie would let Lee pitch through 8 when he has Adams in the pen?
    Why he overworks pitchers because they are aces is beyond me. Especially when theyre over 33

    • Andrew From Waldorf

      April 5, 2013 at 7:13 pm

      He pitched Docs arm out years ago.
      He is working on Lee and Cole now.

      with this pen you say why blame him.

      But it takes a toll
      Especially if you sign guys long term

  66. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    The royals have 13 runs today. 8 more than the entire opening series.

    The Ryals have 19 hits two more hits than the entire opening series.

    of course they are still batting

  67. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    They are feeding me the stats lol

    gordons 2 3 run triples

    Is the first time thats EVER happened in Royals history

    Thats alot of players.

    They are having fun

  68. Jeff of Nova

    April 5, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    So lets see here

    JRoll made a bad decision on a DP vs play at first

    Charlie left KK in way too long

    Horst made one really bad pitch

    Our Corner Outfielders have blown today

    Durbin has proven that he does not belong here at all 81.00 era

    Valdes is showing what I thought of him before a AAA pitcher, should have kept Stutes here.

    What a frustrating game

    • arc

      April 5, 2013 at 7:20 pm

      how? how could you not expect this outcome, Wishful thinking? this team is worst than the 2011 team that avg 3 runs per game, and now you have a worse rotation and bull pen.

      • schmenkman

        April 5, 2013 at 7:32 pm

        The 2011 team led the league in scoring once Utley returned in May.

      • arc

        April 5, 2013 at 8:02 pm

        So, your claim is: had Utley played the whole season we would have had the best offense in the league? But this is why your argument doesnt work. You negate in your statistical claim the fact of other players on the phillies team playing worse/ or better. You also negate a possible drop off in production of many other teams. You negate the fact of hot streaks, but one thing you cant argue is the phillies finished 13th in runs scored with a .253 avg. and I believe scoring a little over 3 runs per game. Now that aint the worse, but also my claim was in 2011 we could win with 3 runs per game, not so with this rotation. Our team is in the worse possible position they could be in. Our rotation is worse, and our offense is worse.

      • schmenkman

        April 5, 2013 at 8:05 pm

        My only claim is that from the day Utley returned on May 23rd through the end of the year they had the highest scoring offense in baseball. And that’s the offense they took into the playoffs.

        Claiming that the current team is worse than a 102 team is not a very strong or surprising statement.

      • arc

        April 5, 2013 at 8:21 pm

        As for your claim about some correlation between offensive output and wins, the phils won games in spite of their offense not because of it. Wether they had the best offense when he came back I dont know, what I do know is they were 13th in runs scored. In 2010 they were 7th with Utley there all season. But remeber, in 2011 they had the lowest ERa that season also.

      • schmenkman

        April 5, 2013 at 8:26 pm

        I didn’t make any claim about a correlation of runs to wins today, but obviously it’s one of the most well-established tenets in baseball that there IS a direct correlation between a team’s run differential (the difference, or more precisely, the ratio, of runs scored to runs allowed), and the team’s winning percentage.

        It makes no difference whether you expand that differential by scoring more runs, or by allowing fewer runs.

      • arc

        April 6, 2013 at 1:09 am

        It took you a whole paragraph to say a team wins or loses based on the score? But more importantly, in respect to your claim it does matter. The phils did not win 102 games because of offense, they won because of defense. Of course at face value a win is a win, but when your team is constructed to only manufacture 3 runs per game, and your rotation and bull pen falls apart you are in serious trouble. This is one of my main critiques of Amaro. Instead of taking a more balanced approach handling the Werth situation, he opted to go all in on pitching, starting pitching that is. people seem to forget the bullpen looked so good because they were sparingly used. You cant take away a high strike out power hitters protection and expect pitchers to throw him fastballs. Out with protection, out with Ryan Howard. In 2011 Amaro gets rid of his 2 highest avg hitters, Victorino, Pence, and Polanco go down in injuries.
        Suprisingly Mayberry had the next highest avg with 273, and hitting 4 more home runs and 19 more rbis than Utley in 2011.

        This fan base never ceases to amaze me. They applaud when Werth, Victorino, and Pence go, and yet complain when our offense suffers.

        Ill take a 5 era ball club with 5 runs per night over a 3 run club with a 4 era anyday.

      • schmenkman

        April 6, 2013 at 4:21 am

        No. Not the run differential in a particular game. Over a whole season, a team’s wins and losses can be predicted fairly reliably from their total runs scored and runs allowed.

        You keep “3 runs per game” for some reason, even when referring to 2011. Utley returned on May 23rd, 2011, replacing some of the worst offensive second basemen in the game, with one of the best. From that point on, for the last 108 games, the Phillies scored 4.63 runs per game, making them the highest scoring team in the NL over the last two thirds of the season.

        In addition, to Utley, Victorino had a career year, Mayberry went on a tear in the second half, and Pence played over his head after arriving. Even Brown was hitting well before being sent down. So Werth was not missed in 2011, and I think the front office can be excused for thinking he would not be missed in 2012 either. But all of those 3 struggled last year, and the FO used VIc and Pence to replenish the farm. They ended up scoring 4.22 runs per game in 2012.

        In any case, regardless of one’s personal preference, there is nothing wrong with the strategy of going “all in on pitching”, especially when your objective is to advance in the playoffs.

        The objective is now more modest — just making the playoffs — and after playing at a 95-win pace in the second half of last year (mostly due to improved pitching, even though Halladay struggled), there many, myself included, who think they have a reasonable chance to at least be in the hunt for the 2nd wild card.

        I might question some of their choices (Young, Young, Durbin), but they didn’t commit to any new long term contracts, and so even if they fail to make a run this year, they’re in a good position with lots of financial flexibility for 2014 while they await the arrival of Asche, Joseph, Morgan, Martin, Biddle, etc. from the farm.

    • "Big Ed" Delahanty

      April 5, 2013 at 7:25 pm

      Jeff,
      Agree on all accounts, except that Horst made more than one bad one today. Lol. This reminded me of Rocky IV, when Apollo Creed gets crushed unmercifully by Drago, and Rocky just looks on stunned, not willing to change his promise of not throwing in the towel to Apollo. Hoping Lannan is decent tomorrow.

      • Lefty

        April 6, 2013 at 6:40 am

        Well, here’s to hoping Lannan is not “rocky” Saturday!

  69. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Those rally towels are cracking me up.

    That’s cute.

    Can’t believe there’s actually a smile left after this.

  70. arc

    April 5, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    This offense just does not work, It is broken and has been since Werth left. How do we sell this team off and start to rebuild? How does anybody not see that this org is dieing a slow death, and its all thanks to Amaro. Now I understand the monicker ruin tomorrow jr. well yesterday, it seemed alright, but today is tomorrow, and now its time to pay the piper.

  71. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Horst made one really bad pitch?

    Whys the old man leave his spot lefthander in as long as he does?

    Horst made many bad pitches

  72. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Horst got one out allowed 3 hits and a walk

    he threw 24 pitches to get his one out

    13 strikes 11 balls

  73. Ken Bland

    April 5, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    MLB TV flashes a game ending graphic that says “Thank You for Watching:”

    Are they serious?

    You’re welcome?

    Easy one to grade. F minus.

  74. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    @ ARC been saying it for years

    Now its 2013

    you trot out

    2. rollins 3. Utley 4. Howard 5. Young

    What am i an a time warp its 2007?

    Its embarrassing.
    Its a joke people tease me about our line up.

    I begged jsut dont resign Rollins.
    Trade any one of them when they had value.
    Please.

    Im off.
    I get in trouble when I bitch too much.

    But yes this is all on Amaro
    Who has GMed this team on a level lower than a fan on a blog.

    I was yelling this years ago though.
    So no its nothing new to me.

    • arc

      April 5, 2013 at 7:40 pm

      people on this site criticize me for moaning about the same things over and over again, they say how many times are you going to wine about the line up and Amaro, but frankly WHAT THE HELL ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT???????

      By the way, ive noticed a trend. many of my admirers who debase me every chance they get for my seemingly clueless rants disappearing trends with the phillies offensive output.
      Where is everybody???

    • arc

      April 5, 2013 at 7:50 pm

      I argued many a time on this site that until they get Howard adequate protection this line up aint doing squat. They been trying to get Howard protection ever since Werth left. which i think irrespective of the money was one of Amaros worst moves. When you let Werth go, i think a piece of Howard left also. Now some people on this site dont believe in the notion of protection, and theyll trot out all of these quantitative stats to support their claim, but then i ask; why have the Phils been looking for a 5 hole hitter ever since Werth left?? Pence? Chooch, Brown, Victorino, and francisco? have i missed anyone?

      I still believe Soriano, or Upton could have stablized the offense.

    • schmenkman

      April 5, 2013 at 7:51 pm

      What is a joke is that anyone would complain about #2 and #3, who in 2012 were, game for game, the best double play combination in baseball. Overall, that is, combining hitting and fielding. The only thing that could have made them even better was if Utley were healthy all year. Guess what? Now he’s healthy.

      Of all the things to complain about, Rollins and Utley should be at the very end of your list. Not at the top.

      • arc

        April 5, 2013 at 8:11 pm

        its not a matter of performance with either of these two phenomenal players, my claim is that if they have any trade value now why keep them? Again Amaro dropped the ball on LF, RF, and 3rd base. i say try moving Utley to 4 and Howard to 5. rollins 1, revere 2, young 3

      • schmenkman

        April 5, 2013 at 8:18 pm

        I was responding to AFW. They may have trade value, but I submit that they have more value to the Phillies in terms of their performance on the field than what they would bring back in a trade.

      • arc

        April 5, 2013 at 8:26 pm

        I know you were responding to AFW, but again, I disagree that they are worth more to them now in a fruitless season, than preparing for the future. Im not saying give them up for peanuts, but if we can bring in some prospects, or unload salary lets do it. I cant see any configuration where you can build around these guys in the future. I might even dare sya trade Howard and bring up Ruff. Did i just say that??

  75. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    The 2011 team had a historicly great staff.

    The greatest staff most any of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    In game 5 of a 5 game series the line up was not good enough.

    Anyone who was here in 2011 will tell you that I stated all year the line up was vulnerable.
    Starting in opening day.
    Rollins Utley and Howard were not good enough in 2011.
    A team that with a good line up wins a WS title.

    How many tims did Larussa pitch to get to Howard and bring in Arthur Lee of all people?
    The poping up on a 3-0 pitch down 1-0 to lead off the 7th.

    This line up was a fine reg season line up. But it was always vulnerable.
    Been vulnerable since 2010 really.

    Its now 2013 and its the SAME line up.
    Its more vulnerable.

    And if we faced 50 left handers in a row Howard would start 50 games in a row.

    It never changes this team never adjusts.

    OK I am not mad. I am going to enjoy this season.

    But I get a little tired of the worship of players who best days were 5 years ago. Not 1 or 2.

    If Galvis played every game at 2B or SS what would the difference be?
    Like Brown playing left instead of Ibane his last year.

    Id be excited if somone else was at 2B or SS.
    Anyone else.

    Same goes for firstbase.

    • arc

      April 5, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      Since we didnt make a didgers, or Angels move when we had the chance, i think we need to make a Red Sox move. If a team is bold enough to move AG, we surely can move Howard.

      • Andrew From Waldorf

        April 5, 2013 at 9:16 pm

        ARC you know no one will take Howard and his contract on.

        Maybe an AL team will eat some ( 20-40% ?) of his contract. But youll get nothing in return.

        Sometimes I think you are putting us on ARC or trying to stir up trouble.

        Like the old Jeff would.

        Either way I try to respect everyone.

    • schmenkman

      April 5, 2013 at 8:54 pm

      AFW, I know this is entertainment in the end, but just because some fans are bored with having the same (great) players and want shiny new toys instead doesn’t make it the best move for the team.

      Just because they are past their prime does NOT mean they are not still the best option, especially when they are among the best at their position, like Rollins and Utley still are.

      Howard is a bit of a different animal, although I think this year will look much more like 2010 and 2011 than like 2012, and 2010 and ’11 were about as good as his 2008 (except that there were fewer runners on base in front of him).

  76. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    There is no salary cap.

    This team shouldnt be as bad as it is.

    So what in 2012 minus Rollins we are 78-84 instead of 81-81????

    I just dont grasp the logic.

    Hoarding of these players has cost this team.

    I dont get all sentimental about any of them after 2008. Since 2008 they have been a major disappointment.

    • schmenkman

      April 5, 2013 at 8:33 pm

      Sure, there’s no salary cap. But the team is a for-profit business, run by business men, and they those business man don’t like throwing away money on a luxury tax. It’s a bit unreasonable, naive, and even childish to complain that one of the highest payrolls in baseball isn’t much higher.

      If Rollins is the difference between 89 wins and 86, I want him on the team.

      You’re right, who cares about 2008 at this point. But they are trying for one last run, while at the same time not further depleting the farm system, and not limiting flexibility by locking up new long term contracts, and I agree with that approach for this season.

    • arc

      April 5, 2013 at 8:37 pm

      and at this point id rather see Frandsen at 3rd.

      • schmenkman

        April 5, 2013 at 8:47 pm

        Nice – something we agree on. I would have preferred they stuck with Frandsen and spent the $6-7 million on an outfielder or a better starting pitcher, instead of MY. Now that MY is here, though, I think you have to play him until he proves that 2012 wasn’t a fluke. And I think he’ll do a little better than last year.

  77. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    And yes Schenk to your point.

    Amaro has hoarded them so long that they are probably more value here than could get back in a trade.

    But whats the use of playing over the hill players on a bad team?

    You can stink with kids too.

    And maybe have a future.

  78. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 5, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    LOL
    And I said I wouldnt rant and have fun this year.
    I guess I still care.

    I want to win Schenk. Thats all and I believe other players would make that happen.

    Your opinion is just as valid. Although I think it is wrong.

    I just hope they win tomorrow and the day after and the day after.

    I would like nothing better than Utley Howard and Rollins to lead the way.

    I just dont think they can.

    Ill be out of tomorrow nights game thread so if they win its a sign from god for me to stay away.

    Go Phils!

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