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CSN Report: Phillies Continue to Puruse Stanton

According to Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com, the Phillies are still at it. They’ve made a few calls to Miami in an attempt to nab Giancarlo Stanton and will continue to pursue the 23-year-old rightfielder.

Now, this should come as no surprise. Twenty-nine other teams should be doing the same thing, as he’s clearly the best young power hitter in baseball, when healthy. Ruben Amaro would be doing his “due diligence” by phoning the Marlins. However, as Salisbury maps out in his column, there are so many places this Phillies team can go between now and the trade deadline — and then the end of the season — that it maybe doesn’t put it out of the realm of possibilities. Whether they’re buying or selling, they are strongly in on Stanton.

If you’re asking flat-out, “Will the Phillies acquire Stanton,” my answer is no. They don’t have the talent to get him, as there are many other franchises with better-stocked systems that can send more to Miami. What the Phillies do have are tradeable chips in Cliff Lee, Jonathan Papelbon, and Chase Utley, plus other lesser, but intriguing names like Jimmy Rollins, Carlos Ruiz, and Roy Halladay.

If the Phillies were to decide to give up and move on from this current roster, Lee and Papelbon could fetch you a few decent prospects. Utley might do the same. Obviously, with age and salary being a major factor, the Phillies won’t get an incredible haul for any of them. Do you trade a few of those veterans, then put together a package and bet the farm on someone like Stanton?

Again, it’s somewhat of a pipe dream, but it bears watching. Amaro is in a predicament with an aging core and a farm system that is not highly thought of. Where does he go from here? And when is that time?

12 Comments

12 Comments

  1. Ken Bland

    May 3, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Doesn’t that trade start with Biddle? maybe not start, but isn’t he a must or dealbreaker?

    I wondered if Pap’s 12/ for 2 years might entice the Tigers come mid year since they are so strong except the closer gig.

    I don’t know that this is relavant, but 2 years ago, Cliff at the deadline would have cost what was it, 4-5 mil? I couldn’t believe the Cards and Dodgers at the time wouldn’t go for him. Now, some 50-60 mil still attached to 2 years older, it just seems a little presumptuous to guess how marketbale he might be.

    Doc’s kind of a long story. At 10 mil for half a year, he’s gotta be pitching t a certain level to acquire anything above average. I don’t think change of scenery is an acquiring motivator.

    Man, I love Stanton. That’d be swesome. Well, without KNOWING the giveback. Small detail.

    • Publius

      May 3, 2013 at 1:41 pm

      The trade starts with Biddle, Morgan and Joseph, and then goes from there. And there’s no way the Phillies can put together a package better than any other Stanton suitors out there. It’s not happening.

      • Ken Bland

        May 3, 2013 at 2:01 pm

        It is a longshot, so much so, I wouldn’t even credit the chances enough to say I agree, but I wouldn’t say impossible, although you’re right about other suitors probably having more to offer.

        Plus, one other thing that I recall from when Stanton reacted to the Jays deal. Word had come out that he wanted to go home to California. Now whether that first impulse can be bought out, who knows, but I’ll say this. There are many cities across the bigs that can sell their cities and ballclubs as attractive, but the Phils and Philly are right there with the most marketable. And I’d assume from playing at the Bank, Stanton is aware of that to the extent a visiting player can be.

  2. Don M

    May 3, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    yea, “Stanton” ish type of player is what you would have wanted in 2010 ..when we made the Pence deal. You give up some young prospects to add a player you think can put you over the top now, and then carry your team in the future.. I don’t think the addition of Stanton make us the #1 in the NL ….though it would clearly kill any chance we’d have of rebuilding from the farm in the future.

    it’s a video-game move that you simply can’t make if you’re the Phillies …. they’ll need Biddle, Morgan, Martin, Joseph, etc… to develop into low-cost, cost-controlled MLB talent, that they can build around.

    • EricL

      May 3, 2013 at 3:48 pm

      The problem with that is that in 2010 Stanton was 21 year old rookie, and there’s no reason why Florida would even consider trading him. Pence was available because he was into his arbitration years, was going to cost a lot more money than Houston wanted to pay him, and was only under team control for another 2 seasons. The situations were vastly different.

      Of course, what the Phillies really should have done in 2011, when the Pence trade was made, was nothing. They should have noticed that after May 23rd, the date Utley returned, they had the best offense in the National League, and didn’t need him. Who knows what happens in the interim–perhaps they end up dealing for Chase Headley or Justin Upton or something–but there’s the potential that they would have had a much deeper farm system which would give them a better shot at landing a guy like Stanton.

      • Don M

        May 3, 2013 at 4:00 pm

        No, what i’m saying was that if we were in the same situation as 2010, it would make sense to go get Stanton ..

        but now that we’re already obviously close to the “window closed” situation, it’s not worth giving up what few prospects we have remaining to get a player that likely still won’t put us over the top.

      • EricL

        May 3, 2013 at 4:18 pm

        But in 2010 this team didn’t need a guy like Stanton, as they were well on their way to winning 97 games with an outfield of Victorino, Werth and Ibanez, and a 22 year old Dom Brown who was a top-15 prospect, in the minors.

        If the current Phillies were constructed that way then there’s really no reason for them to gut their minor league system to acquire another OF that would basically end up putting a high-priced, semi-productive veteran on the bench.

        Teams that trade for guys like Stanton are usually doing so to build a franchise around them. Teams who are in contention are usually already good and add complimentary pieces.

        Personally I think the “window” stuff is overblown. Stanton is 23 years old. The window in which he’ll be able to help a team is probably a decade+. No need to worry about that – more need to worry about the damage that would be done to the minor league depth (although I suppose that could be mitigated if they were to deal guys like Lee, Ruiz, Papelbon, etc. at the deadline to bolster the prospect ranks).

      • Don M

        May 3, 2013 at 4:58 pm

        dear lord, forget I mentioned the year 2010 .. i thought my point was obvious. The Phillies are not close to being true World Series contenders- when they were, adding a player who was already good, and only going to get better- would have been a nice move to make

        yea but if you sell the farm to get Stanton.. in 3 years you have Stanton and ???????? If you’re filling your entire 25-man roster with Free Agents instead of capable players from your own farm system.. you’re going to be in trouble financially.

        I don’t think Stanton will go to any team that isn’t already a contender… I see him landing somewhere like Texas, where they can package some top young prospects, and still have a soild MLB team with a number of young stars already in the mix

    • Lefty

      May 3, 2013 at 4:45 pm

      I agree Don. This is not the right move at this time. The cost could potentially cripple the team for years. People that think the farm system is in a shambles now haven’t even seen disarray the likes of when they trade players like Biddle and Morgan as suggested above. And the Marlins are not looking to beef up their payroll with our veterans.

  3. bacardipr

    May 3, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Eric all great points everything explained nicely. How much do you suppose Ruiz is worth at this juncture. Unless lets say a contetnder starting catcher goes down right before the trade deadline.

  4. George

    May 3, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    With the Phils’ outfield in such a mess right now, they’ll have to do something and unfortunately that probably means trading certain prospects. If you know there aren’t going to be any really good free agents coming along, there’s not much choice except to make a deal. Stanton is probably just the best guy they are looking at, but anyone decent will cost, so why not aim high, at least to start with? I would guess that Amaro would at least have sense to trade from an area of strength, like catching or one high upside pitcher. I hope he doesn’t trade too many guys, though, particularly if it only brings back someone just a little above average.

  5. Mazinman

    May 4, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    I really doubt this will happen but, hey, you lose nothing by asking. Who knows when the Marlins might suddenly have an urge for another fire sale.

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