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On A Dreary Evening, The Reds Thump The Phillies

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Kyle Kendrick was due for lackluster outing, and that’s just what he had today. (Photo: AP)

On April 15, Bronson Arroyo dominated the Phillies for eight innings in Cincinnati, allowing just two runs and five hits in a deflating 4-2 defeat. Today’s ballgame felt eerily similar to the one that took place at Great American Ballpark last month, only this time the Reds more than doubled their output, while the Phillies didn’t bother scoring any runs–though they did equal their five hits–in an 10-0 defeat. The damp weather was a perfect accompaniment to the sleepy feeling this game had, a long and painful loss.

The game got away from the Phils quickly. The Reds went up early, and the bats never had an answer for Arroyo. It was the perfect formula for a dull drubbing, the Reds asserting their will over an overmatched Phillies team.


Kyle Kendrick hadn’t allowed more than two runs in any start since he allowed five to the Royals in his 2013 debut. That streak swiftly came to an end today when he served up a second inning meatball to Ryan Hanigan, who sent it into the seats in left to give the Reds a 3-0 lead. The homer looked to be a portentous sign of how things would go for Kendrick today.

He would calm down, though. And while Kendrick didn’t pitch a great game–the Reds hit a lot of balls hard off him–he did manage to limit the runs after Hanigan’s long ball. In fact, I’d even argue that the fourth run Kendrick allowed was more on bad managing than Kendrick himself.

It looked like he’d be lifted for a pinch hitter after five when he had over 90 pitches, but Charlie Manuel inexplicably let him hit with a runner on first and two outs in the fifth. Kendrick struck out to end the inning, and went on to allow another run in the sixth. There was absolutely no reason to let Kendrick pitch in that spot and it cost the Phils a run–not that it would matter in the end. Kendrick’s final line looked like this: 6.0 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 4 BB, 2 K. It was no doubt a battle for KK, as he failed to record a single 1-2-3 inning. A definite throwaway game.


…or bad at-bats and a complete lack of power. Whichever you decide is the culprit (it’s the latter), one thing is for sure: This Phillies offense has not been getting the job done, and it’s become quite a nuisance. So far this season, the Phils have been shutout a whopping six times–as many as they had all of last season. That’s simply not acceptable, especially because in three of those shutouts, the other team scored four runs or less.

Arroyo is the latest pitcher to find success later in his career by becoming a softballer, and it’s a technique the Phils really struggle with. For the second time this season, he dominated them deep into the game, unleashing a plethora of curveballs and sliders to keep the fastball-inclined Phillies off balance. It wasn’t as though Arroyo was unhittable– he threw strikes, but the Phils just couldn’t square any balls up. The hardest hit ball of the day came from Domonic Brown–who went 2-for-4, making him the only Phillie with multiple hits–on a double down the right field line. Brown was thrown out trying to stretch it to a triple. That was about as exciting as it got for the offense.

The Phillies one through five hitters went a cool 3-for-15 with two singles and a double. That statistic pretty much speaks for itself.


A combination of B.J. Rosenberg, Phillippe Aumont and Chad Durbin would be the bullpen goats on this day, combining to allow six runs in the seventh, eighth and ninth innings, respectively. The extra runs were painful to watch, the bullpen clearly not capable of consistently getting outs. Today’s loss was a complete team effort, every facet pitching in to ensure a negative outcome.


– The Phillies try to scrap out a series win against a very good Reds team behind the right arm of Jonathan Pettibone (3-0, 3.41). Homer Bailey gets the start for Cincinnati.



  1. schmenkman

    May 18, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    “There was absolutely no reason to let Kendrick pitch in that spot and it cost the Phils a run–not that it would matter in the end.”

    I agree that Kendrick shouldn’t have hit, but I think all we can say is that it slightly reduced the Phillies’ chances of scoring a run.

    • Rudy Canoza

      May 18, 2013 at 7:28 pm

      That line caught my eye too.

  2. Bart Shart

    May 18, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Dead offense, incompetent bullpen, lousy managing=another loss

  3. El Gringo Gordo

    May 18, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Start selling off the overpaid, underperforming and unhappy.

    • G7

      May 18, 2013 at 9:23 pm

      Only 4 back, and a team that gets hot in 2nd half year after year..

  4. Manny

    May 18, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Silver lining: Chad Durbin may be cut soon after another crappy performance. Rosenberg should go back to the minors, as well.

    • "Big Ed" Delahanty

      May 19, 2013 at 8:04 am

      You took the words out of my mouth.

    • wbramh

      May 19, 2013 at 11:07 am

      That’ll be 1 down with 24 to go.
      A slight exaggeration but not by much.

      If anyone had known that going into the end of May Michael Young and the hobbled Chase Utley would be leading the team in most positive offensive categories they would have told you the season was over.

      And in the meantime, Raul Ibanez (remember that old guy?) hit a grand slam against the Yankees the other night and would be battling Utley for the team HR lead if he was still in Philadelphia. With one swing, that’s more runs than the Phillies score in 2 games.

    • Mike in NJ

      May 20, 2013 at 2:44 pm

      Why the EFF they brought up Rosenberg over Stutes is a mystery, any way.

  5. Mike

    May 18, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    rosenberg should have never been brought up in the first place! in reality though, we have nothing in minors thats better than the junk in our current bullpen! amaro turned a lamborghini into a pinto in less than 4 yrs! well done ruben!

    • Chuck A.

      May 18, 2013 at 11:58 pm

      Right….Amaro did absolutely nothing ….except to oversee playoff spots in ’09, ’10 and ’11. Granted…the 2009 WS appearance may have a lot to do with his predecessor … although he DID go out and get Cliff Lee and Pedro Martinez, both being huge reasons why they got there in the first place.

      • wbramh

        May 19, 2013 at 11:16 am

        So why get rid of the winningest coach in Eagles history just because his team finished in the cellar?
        Or why get rid of Danny Ozark, also a winning field generaljust because the air between his ears forced him to do things like ignore the need for late inning defensive replacements to help hold leads? Letting a spent pitcher bat for himself (if he’s not Cliff Lee) when you’re team is desperate for runs is also not a reason to fire anyone -but possibly just another symptom of why there needs to be changes made on a team.

  6. Rob h

    May 18, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    Amaro cost us 2010 by trading cliff lee after we acquired halladay there’s nothing after trade that I’m really sour over. Could he have spent more money this offseason? Yeah but he would have drastically overpaid these potential guys and people would be screaming about that as well. It’s easy to blame him. To all the people blaming him what would you have done differently?

    • teejvee

      May 19, 2013 at 6:16 am

      Almost every move RAJ has made, most fans were in agreement with AT THE TIME. Hindsight is always 20/20.

      • hk

        May 19, 2013 at 7:18 am

        Go to the comments sections of Bill Baer’s site Crashburn Alley or the Seidman Brothers’ old site Brotherly Glove and you’ll read plenty of criticism of the majority of Rube’s moves (when they happened, not in hindsight). On this site this past off-season, where the majority of comments are pollyanna-ish, those who are critical – “the same old dissenters” – got shot down by the masses and were told (and I paraphrase), ‘don’t criticize the moves now, wait until they play the games’ or that, ‘you weren’t there, so you don’t know why me made that move (like when he gave away Nate Schierholtz for nothing).

      • Lefty

        May 19, 2013 at 8:07 am


        I guess my take on your comment is this. What difference does it make how we spin what they do? Does it help that the other sites criticize more? Has it changed anything? Do you think RA jr. is influenced by what we think? Well I think it’s pretty damn clear that he isn’t. So yeah, as a Phils fan I try to look on the positive side of “maybe it will work”. Is it so so wrong to want your team to do well? Do you and others feel a sense of vindication when you are right and the team loses 10-0? Does it feel any better to you than it does to me? Because it stinks really bad to me.

        I’m not blind or stupid, but I have no influence on the decisions made by the team. I’ve seen it written many times that “hope is not a strategy”, but I have to tell you, it’s my strategy, it’s my only strategy. What else can I do except turn on the set, pour a refreshment and hope?
        Signed, Pollyanna 🙂

      • hk

        May 19, 2013 at 10:58 am


        No,actually the team’s current status combined with the fact that many of those who write these blogs and comment on these sites have better ideas than the GM makes it worse for me because this season seems to be slowly going down and I don’t have confidence that this GM can fix things. I want them to win as much as the next guy and I would love to be in a position to admit that I was wrong after watching Michael Young, Delmon Young and Mike Adams lead them to a World Series title. It is just a source of frustration that this GM, who was handed so much – a World Champion with many players in their primes and locked up to what would turn out to be reasonable contracts, a top farm system, a low payroll and an ownership group that was on the verge of allowing him to spend freely while the rest of the industry was holding the line on salaries – has overseen such a rapid decline

        I was really just responding to teejvee’s comment about hindsight being 20/20 and most of the people liking the moves when they happened. On this site, when you criticize RAJ’s moves when they happen, you get shot down and when you criticize them after the fact, you get told hindsight is 20/20.

      • Karsten

        May 19, 2013 at 12:18 pm

        Many, including me, were very critical of RAJ for the Ryan Howard contract at the time, even more people were shaking their heads at the Jimmy Rollins and Papelbon extensions/contracts.

        The Cole Hamels contract was also critizised, mainly because of the timing of it.

        Signing Cole Hamels when he’s close to 30 years old and the Phillies are in need of major rejuvenation is questionable.

        Had Cole Hamels been 25-26, the contract would’ve made sense to me.

        There’s been a lot of criticism of RAJ for his inability to run a balanced organisation, he seems obsessed with getting quick fixes.

        Which has ruined the Phillies once very fine organisation.

        Today Phillies have one of the highest payrolls. But it doesn’t reflect in the quality of the players.

    • wbramh

      May 19, 2013 at 11:36 am

      Maybe Justin Upton loved the idea of playing in the same outfield with brother BJ more than money but had he been amenable to coming to Philadelphia I think it would have been difficult to overpay him at any price – especially when you consider the dollar figures RAJ rushed to invest in Howard, Papelbon and others.

      I’m not saying free agency is the answer because a consistently winning baseball franchise needs a strong farm system behind it but it seems those extra pieces landed in free agency and trades have to be better considered than what we’ve witnessed over the last few years.

      I love to watch Ben Revere chase down a ball and run the bases, but…

  7. Glutenous

    May 19, 2013 at 12:50 am

    This just in: BJ Rosenberg is still awful.

  8. Lefty

    May 19, 2013 at 7:32 am

    Okay, so the Phils were shutout 6 times in 2012. And on May 19th, 2013 they have been shut out 6 times already this season. This is not a good sign, not good at all.

    I wish I had answers, I don’t. They are 28th of 30 teams in OPS, 26th in SLG%, and 26th in OBP. Can it be turned around? yes, absolutely- and especially when you consider how badly the teams above us in the division have been playing.

    Proof of that is in the standings. Last year on this date we were 2 games over .500, in last place, and 4 games out of first. This year we are 3 games under .500, third place, and yet still only 4.5 games out.

    The problem is time, and it’s running out much faster than I’d like to see. At some point if Ryan Howard, and Delmon Young, two guys IMO that have to produce power for this team to win, don’t do so, then everyone else’s efforts won’t help. IMO- Brown, Mayberry, Utley, Rollins have not played that badly, but the big pieces, the 4 and 5 hitters must do more.

    This year’s pitching while disappointing, is only as bad as the bats make it. We’ve had worse relievers, and still maintained winning with a quick strike offense that could keep us in any game . But without that, this may be a deadly combination. The problem is time, and if they decide to break this group up and sell off the parts due to underperformance, it could be a long drawn out amount of tough times to come.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is this, be careful what you wish for. We’re only 4.5 games out with plenty of head to head competition, the easiest way to catch up, to come.

    • Manny

      May 19, 2013 at 7:39 am

      I actually think we’ve been *lucky* so far. Our run differential is terrible –we should have a few more losses than we actually do… It just drives the point home that this offense is pathetic. Young, Utley, and Brown are the only ones who have been above average… everybody else: a big, fat meh.

      • Lefty

        May 19, 2013 at 7:53 am

        It could be considered luck Manny, there’s a reasonable argument for that. But remember that figure I gave about being 28th out of 30 teams in OPS,- guess who is number 29? The Nats, and if you think about it, they really only have one guy hitting well, that’s Harper. (Inexplicably, he hits walls hard too)

        The Braves on the other hand swing for the fences, but this leads to a feast or famine type of offense that leads the league in strikeouts. They’ve blown out Venters and Oflaherty which all of us could see coming the way Fredi over-uses them, Kimbrel is sure to be next. So it’s not all luck.

        BTW – Are you back in the country or still overseas?

      • Manny

        May 19, 2013 at 2:38 pm

        Overseas indefinitely… :/ At least till Summer 2014

  9. Rabbi

    May 19, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Soft-tossers will always give this team trouble because everyone is trying to pull everything. Didn’t they learn anything from watching Moyer make opposing hitters look silly trying to jack his mid-80s “fastball”? The way to beat soft-tossers is to take the ball up the middle and the other way!!!

  10. TheDipsy

    May 19, 2013 at 7:59 am

    In honour of AFW:

    Charlie complaining that hitters are giving away at bats.

    The roster is full of hitters that DON’T work pitchers. When the game gets out of hand like last night they are all first ball swinging. Its a problem.

    And Charlie….if you’re not happy with your hitters, the core of which has your “imprimatur”, you employ the “quit or sit”. Quit and let Sandy take over OR Sit the players that won’t look at a pitch. Ryan against lefties to start.

    Amaro took us to playoffs with Gillick’s team but now Gillick isn’t here and Werth and Howard aren’t here either. The hitting philosophy is good when the players hit home runs – otherwise, nothing.

    In the words of Earth, Wind & Fire – “After the love is gone, what used to be right is wrong”. And its all wrong now.

    But we are only four games out in a piss poor division gotta suck it up and hope the the we can back nto a wild card spot. Wow, thats a lot of fun – hoping the teams in front of you lose more than you do.

    The Dipsy

    • Karsten

      May 19, 2013 at 12:24 pm

      “Piss poor division?”

      If that’s your assessment of a division with the Braves and the Nationals, I wonder what your assessment is of other divisions.

      IMO, both the Braves and the Nats have been underperforming somewhat, Braves have played pretty well, but lost a few more games than their run total would indicate. And Nats are just an all around solid ballclub that’s been slumping.

      Neither of those teams will finish below the Phillies, they’re just on a different level.

      Phillies would be better off starting to trade their franchise players to get most value for them.

      Because this season ain’t nothing gonna happen.

  11. Dave

    May 19, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Went to my second game of the year last night and I’ve STILL yet to see the Phillies score a run. The joke really is on the fans. I will not be renewing my season tickets for next year.
    Why would you get rid of Valdes only to bring up Rosenberg? Isn’t that like swapping out hospital food for prison food?

  12. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    May 19, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Manuel on “Cy” Arroyo:

    “We used to hit him good,” Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said. “The last three times, he’s pitched us the same. He’s pitched us backwards, slow hooks and change-ups. He’s given us fits.”

    So, if he has done that twice before he did it a third time last night, wouldn’t two hitting coaches, a manager/former hitting coach, and multi-million dollar professional players, at least prepare a little for it and maybe do better than a lowly five hits and one runner to third. I’m really trying to take a positive approach (inspired by Lefty’s posts), but in my head, I think this offense might be cooked, instead of being an offense that cooks.
    – a VERY frustrated Ed

  13. JMills

    May 19, 2013 at 9:23 am

    I am more concerned about how many times this team gets blown out then the shut outs. Something is very wrong and not sure what it is but I think it is a sign of a bad team.

  14. teejvee

    May 19, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Howard has 9 walks in 163 at bats.
    Is that because teams know there are many ways to get him thus have no fear of pitching to him or because he gets himself out by swinging at balls.

    • wbramh

      May 19, 2013 at 11:45 am

      It’s likely Howard has just 9 walks because managers pay such close attention to pitch counts these days. it takes 4 pitches to walk him and only 3 pitches to strike him out.

  15. George

    May 19, 2013 at 10:01 am

    The offense does stink, but Arroyo pitched a tremendous game and would have given any team fits. He was locating his pitches well and had everything working.

    As far as middle relief goes, it’s absolutely the worst I’ve seen in my entire life, and it’s likely no one in the minors will help. Those guys are at AAA because they too have been terrible when they’ve faced real hitters. Maybe some have great stuff, but they’ve all had a lot of time to harness it. Aumont and Rosenburg still can’t locate, and niether is getting younger. Valdes and Durbin are actually rather old already.

    Delmon Young so far is a total bust and should be sent packing. He’s had enough time to show something besides bad fielding and bad hitting.

    The problem right now is that if all the bullpen and lineup turds are flushed away there won’t even be nine guys left to field a team.

    • G7

      May 19, 2013 at 11:56 am

      No signs of life…this team could use a full bench and bullpen clearing brawl..maybe Chollie gets tossed early today to try to stir them up..

  16. Lefty

    May 19, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Todays’ lineup has Ryan Howard sitting against the righty, Homer Bailey. Interesting.

    1. Jimmy Rollins (S) SS
    2. Ben Revere (L) CF
    3. Michael Young (R) 1B
    4. Chase Utley (L) 2B
    5. Domonic Brown (L) LF
    6. Laynce Nix (L) RF
    7. Carlos Ruiz (R) C
    8. Freddy Galvis (S) 3B
    9. Jonathan Pettibone (L) P

  17. Brooks

    May 19, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Howard needs to be sitting he isn’t figuring out anything while playing I’m glad to see that Delmon is sitting too

  18. El Gringo Gordo

    May 19, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Howard may have overeaten at the breakfast buffet this morning.

  19. Brooks

    May 19, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    I could be wrong about this but I believe the Phils have come from behind to win exactly once this year?
    Given that, it is really easy to see when they are all about the stink and early on too. No runs, hits, even a walk or 2 and they fail to move anything along. Like someone said earlier, not just shutouts, blow outs.

    • G7

      May 19, 2013 at 1:42 pm

      If Votto played the Phils more he could be the next .400 hitter..

  20. Nah.Roots

    May 19, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Saw Utley swing at a few 1st pitches.

    He’s not afraid to hit with 2 strikes, why take that away from him?

    • G7

      May 19, 2013 at 2:38 pm

      Utley and M. Young only 2 hitters on team disciplined enough to do it..

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