Does Papelbon Call Out Players, Coaches? – Phillies Nation

Does Papelbon Call Out Players, Coaches?

After last night’s blown save in the Phillies 6-2, 11 inning loss to the Nationals, Jonathan Papelbon had interesting things to say. Do you think he calls out the team here?



  1. Manny

    June 20, 2013 at 7:38 am

    Well yea. Two things happened in the top of the 9th:

    1) Howard SUCKED and couldn’t catch that ball because his range is awful and he’s too slow.
    2) Galvis’ throw to Papelbon, who got to first on time, was very low and just not good at all. Which is tough given that he was a defensive replacement…

    However, Paps needs to buckle down –that’s two blown saves in the series. If there’s a misplay or error, we should still expect him to work himself out of it. He’s one of the top closers in all baseball.

    • John

      June 20, 2013 at 8:32 am

      a defensive replacement is put in just for that…defense. no excuse for that play

      • schmenkman

        June 20, 2013 at 9:45 am

        Of course not, other than that no one is perfect, not even excellent defensive players. Unfortunately that was not a good time for the inevitable occasional mistake.

  2. Papa Phunk

    June 20, 2013 at 7:50 am

    Not to mention the 3rd strike on Desmond that was called a ball.

    Anyone else hate seeing Werth happy in our ballpark?

    Bring on the Mets

    • joycedaffodil

      June 21, 2013 at 8:59 am

      why shouldn’t Werth be happy, he managed to escape the unbelievable misery of this current team. But yes, bring on the Mets

      • schmenkman

        June 21, 2013 at 10:07 am

        Interesting — records over the last two months (since 4/19):

        Phillies 29-28
        Braves 30-29
        Nationals 27-30

  3. Harry

    June 20, 2013 at 7:55 am

    That’s what he needs to do stop sugar coating it and put them on blast. Maybe it will be an eye opener.

  4. Chris

    June 20, 2013 at 7:57 am

    But Howard didn’t scoop and pick three other balls to save outs?


    June 20, 2013 at 8:27 am

    lets get rid of some of the dead wood & bring up some new player D Young out Mayberry out Glavis out Manual out

    • Mike

      June 20, 2013 at 12:49 pm

      You’re a homer! D Young can go. That’s about it. Let Charlie finish the year, Galvis stays, Mayberry stays. You must know a lot about baseball…..

  6. Brian Sr. of CO

    June 20, 2013 at 8:27 am

    There were a few questionable issues from the entire game.
    1. Delmon Young hitting .193 against Lefty’s starting in place of Mayberry hitting .293. Not to mention Delmon is slower than freaking mollasses and his range SUCKS, and he has a minus arm.
    2. Should Howard have started against a Lefty? He is not much better against lefty’s at .206, though he at least had been swinging the bat lately…unlike Delmon.
    3. Should Papelbon have been put out there for a 3rd straight game…should he have staed out there as he was completely FLAT, not to mention, the Ump was doing no favors for him.
    4. Should Galvis have replaced Frandsen? That should have been an error on Galvis. I like the kid, but that is exactly what Pap’s was talking about with Fundamental baseball. Sure an Arguement can be made that Howard should have gotten that ball, as well all know his range sucks, he power is greatly reduced, and he still strikes out way too much, but still, Galvis had the ball, and threw it in time. The problem was, he threw a dart at Pap’s feet. Had that been a decent throw, it was a win.

    This was a pathetic shameful loss and a waste of a very good start by Kendrick again. The offense sucked, the defense dint help with the hit in the ninth, Stutes…Nevermind. Completely inexcuseable to have that type of offenseive showing after the first inning. Almost HALF of their hits and ALL of their runs came in the first inning…PATHETIC.

    • wbramh

      June 20, 2013 at 11:28 am

      And #5, why did Rollins (apparently his decision) choose bolt on a hit and run with a guy at the plate (Howard) who is not a contact hitter and when he probably would have won the base on a straight, well-timed steal – especially since he was challenging a pitcher with a high percentage of successful of steals against him (and no Molina behind the mask).

      But your #1 point will become the #1 question when looking in retrospect at the 2013 season.
      Why was Delmon Young on the team and why in the name of all that is holy was he starting in RF?

      I still contend that Young possesses compromising pictures of RAJ with a sheep.
      At least I can’t think of a more logical reason – like one that has something to do with standard baseball sense.

    • c. schreiber

      June 20, 2013 at 8:37 pm

      #2 Hell no Howard should NEVER start against a lefty. Let’s see, hm….4 K’s. NEVER!!!!

      • schmenkman

        June 20, 2013 at 9:28 pm

        @c. schreiber, agree in principle. It just doesn’t seem to work that way.

        Shin-Soo Choo is worse than Howard vs. lefties, and he plays vs. lefties
        Andre Ethier is worse than Howard vs. lefties, and he plays vs. lefties
        Michael Bourn is worse than Howard vs. lefties, and he plays vs. lefties
        Justin Morneau is worse than Howard vs. lefties, and he plays vs. lefties

    • Double Trouble Del

      June 21, 2013 at 9:01 am

      Papelbon’s greatest value is his trade value. He will hopefully translate into a future starting third baseman. Please Paps, speak softly and carry the big stick.

      • schmenkman

        June 21, 2013 at 10:08 am

        Young third basemen we have plenty of. How about an outfielder?

  7. bhatter26

    June 20, 2013 at 8:43 am

    He can call out his team for fundamentals but if he is referring to the play from the leadoff hitter in the 9th, how about throwing strikes instead getting to a count where he sits dead red and rips it.

    • Cheryl

      June 20, 2013 at 10:47 am

      Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!

  8. bacardipr

    June 20, 2013 at 9:01 am

    I actually missed that inning was eating a late dinner. Then when i went back to watch and saw that it was tied…Oh !@$% as Q-bert would say…

  9. Jay

    June 20, 2013 at 9:12 am

    It’s funny how the pitchers are the only ones voicing opinions about this season. They need to find frandsen a spot in the outfield. he is the most consistent hitter with men on base. Bench Delmon Young.

    The moment Jimmy got his new contract gone was the firey leader that would say the Phillies are the team to beat. The leadership of this team is just going through the motions it reminds me a lot of Bobby Abreu. If Howard is hurt put him on the DL and call up Ruf to play 1B. I get it people dont want to break up this team but when we have guys that could be traded to get younger and possibly better for the future we should do it.

    • joycedaffodil

      June 21, 2013 at 9:08 am

      Statistically go back to the month of Howard’s new contract and look at the Team since then.Husband getting treatment for cancer and the guys waiting for treatment all are choking at trying to understand the Phillies behavior. Someone went back and charted the behavior of some players since that contract, and it is interesting. We are looking at the bulk of money at the top of the lineup which is yielding far too few rewards. Howard hits a home run and suddenly he is a hero, the next nine games he strikes out. Rollins, well he no longer has to work for the next three years, attitude and all we are stuck with him. Who in their right mind and salary cap would take Howard or Rollins. Someone remarked they hated to see Werth happy, sorry but we enjoyed seeing him in the outfield, as well as Victorino and Ibanez. I still follow their games and enjoy their success and vote for them in the All Stars. We will get thru this and see brighter days in baseball, in six years we will have these unbelievable contracts gone and hopefully new blood.

      • schmenkman

        June 21, 2013 at 10:18 am

        @joycedaffodil, statistically since Howard got his contract, they have:

        – won the 2010 division title with the most wins in baseball
        – won the 2010 NLDS
        – won the 2011 division title with the most wins in baseball and in team history

        That’s a heck of a lot of success, and a record that the vast majority of teams and fans would give their left arm for.

        By the way Rollins is still a very good player. His attitude is fine — it’s the same attitude that led him to declare the Phillies the team to beat in 2007.

  10. Ken Bland

    June 20, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Oy, Pat. Pat, Pat, Pat.

    That’s the 2nd time this week you have placed a question mark in the headline of an article that was as clearly a rip, throw under the bus, or whatever you wanna call it by 1 Phillie over another.

    First, Ruben compares Howard to the formerly seemingly unmovables who were moved pointing out that all those mentioned before Howard were wanted. I don’t get the ?.

    Now, what more would you like Papelbon to say than flat out questioning Howard’s positioning before wondering if the ? belongs directed at Howard and/or the bench jockeys that make those decisions.

    To me, it wouldn’t be a leap of journalistic faith and just headline Amaro Fails to Defend Howard or Papelbon Exerts Frustration Toward Team. There are few questioins about the club. I’ve seen better. Incredibly, I’ve seen worse. They continue to shoot for the all-time title of Most Average Baseball Team Ever Assembled. And for cryin’ out loud, they aren’t even CONSISTENTLY average. It just nets out that way, carrying sooooo much frustration.

  11. roland1012

    June 20, 2013 at 9:22 am


    Palpabon should not talk, he is not even palpable.

    The Phillies would have won this game in the 9th inning IF HE DID NOT GIVE UP THE TYING RUN.

    Palpabon’s line is atrocious for a closer. I hope he gets traded. Hey Palpabon, in case you are wondering, here is your stats last night from a 2-1 PHILLIES LEAD in the 9th…

    1.0 IP – 2 H – 1 R – 1 ER – 1 BB – 2 SO

    Try to find the strike zone and keep that ball down.

  12. Brain

    June 20, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Pap has been solid, save for Monday night. Galvis on the other hand has been atrocious. That could have been avoided though by Charles the Moron not pulling KK in the 8th to give Basturdo. That was where the game was lost. KK was cruising all game, sitting at a decent pitch count and had two outs none on. Charles decided to be cute and play the pitcher matchup setting the stage for bringing in Galvis who has been a slug at the plate and defensively.

    By my count, Charles is directly responsible for at least 10 losses via managerial ineptitude.

    • George

      June 20, 2013 at 6:05 pm

      I totally disagree that putting in Bastardo cost them the game. Kendrick may indeed have gotten the lefty batter, but there would have been no way he would have pitched the ninth had he thrown even a few more pitches to that hitter. Bastardo got his man, so that was no issue. It was that botched up ninth (and that was a team effort, pitcher included) that cost the game.

  13. Bob in Bucks

    June 20, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Pat – I see you are turning into a TV/Radio “journalist” i.e. trying to juice the fans with contrived controversy. I congratulate you on making the big time but would appreciate it if you kept the blog true to its original purpose.

    BTW, I was at the game and noticed that with runners on 1st and 2nd Rollins turned away and Pap was trying to get his attention re where he was playing. Eventually Rollins saw him but did not adjust. That may be what Pap was thinking of.

    No controversy here, the team is not built to win.

  14. teejvee

    June 20, 2013 at 11:15 am

    The big play of the 9th inning was the walk to Laroche.
    Rule 1. When pitchers walk guys they are asking for trouble.
    Rule 1(a) When pitchers ask for trouble they almost always get it.

    Who didn’t see that single from Werth coming?……………………anybody? ……….Bueller?…………….Bueller?…………

  15. kenstee

    June 20, 2013 at 11:28 am

    To be honest this is what Charlie should be saying. Props to Pap for doing this. The truth hurts sometimes.

    • schmenkman

      June 20, 2013 at 11:49 am

      This is what they all should be saying. To each other. And maybe they are.

      Saying it to the media is just deflecting blame.

  16. George

    June 20, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Papelbon was outwardly complaining about fundamentals, but inwardly I’m pretty certain he was blaming himself.

    He’s right about those fundamentals, though. It’s why Manuel often says they need to play better baseball and that they aren’t playing to their capabilities. I just wish he could do more about it, but I think that’s now Amaro’s job. It’s an average (or below average) roster and coaching won’t make it any better.

  17. PhilsChick

    June 20, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Pap’s right. The fundamentals needs to be taken care of, point blank, said and done. We didn’t do that — no one did. Fundamentals win or lose games in extra innings.
    Galvis’ play was unfortunate, but one has to look at his entire defensive record this season. He’s hit a rough patch here, but has still made far, far, FAR more good — and sometimes even incredible — plays than errors. What happened in his throw to Pap was unacceptable, but it is not a mark of a bad player, just an inconvenient time for the inevitable rookie mistake. I do not think anyone can lay this loss on Galvis’ shoulders.
    Pap himself should be above calling-out. He is a pitcher; the pitcher’s job requires him to adapt to the situation; if an error happens, well, the pitcher’s gotta deal with it. If the pitcher gives up a homer on a two-strike, two-out count in the bottom of the ninth, well, the pitcher might have to look at his play, too.
    But, as always, GO PHILS!

  18. Lefty

    June 20, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    First, I think someone better get in touch with KK and tell him to stop packing his bags, they’re playing home this weekend.

    On the botched play at first.
    The 25 million dollar player could have caught the ball. And the 12 million dollar pitcher should have got out of the inning anyway despite that play.

    Hey guys here’s a good idea, when the media comes to the locker room, let’s blame the defensive replacement player making the minimum !!

    After all it was his bad throw right?, and it was also his fault while sitting on the bench for 8 innings that his team couldn’t get one hit right?, and his fault that the roster has Mini Mart and Delmon Young on it right? And his fault that Charlie sends Jimmy on a hit and run with a guy at the plate that can’t make contact right? Yup it’s all Freddy’s fault.

    • hogey's role

      June 20, 2013 at 10:21 pm

      Excellent points lol

    • Ryne Duren

      June 21, 2013 at 7:40 am

      you said it all in a nutshell lefty! couldn’t agree more. galvis has been steller in the field ALL year. he made a mistake on a throw. if the ump calls that pitch a strike which it was we’d all be saying how great paps is. and a sweep. martinez and d. young? what can i say that hasn’t already been said.

    • Johanna

      June 21, 2013 at 8:38 am

      Lefty – very well stated.

  19. teejvee

    June 20, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    I forgot about that hit and run. I guess the only explanation for that was that they figured he might throw a ball in the dirt. Always a good pitch with 2 strikes on Howard.

    And I know it worked it ,but yanking ( a very effective) Kendrick for Bastardo?
    Bastardo against anybody these days isn’t a good matchup.

  20. bacardipr

    June 20, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Perhaps Galvis is getting to cocky out on the field.

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    • c. schreiber

      June 20, 2013 at 8:47 pm

      Yo John put the doobee down and get yourself together..

      • G7

        June 20, 2013 at 9:39 pm

        Lol…good one Schreib..Pap’s probably only here another month..

    • loupossehl

      June 21, 2013 at 12:12 am

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      Did you ever notice that music has colors?

    • Johanna

      June 21, 2013 at 8:41 am

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    • joycedaffodil

      June 21, 2013 at 9:11 am

      I think you watched too many commercials during the game and need a serious rest.

  22. Brooks

    June 20, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    only able to vote 25 times

  23. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 21, 2013 at 2:30 am

    This is a poorly run team.

    The fundamentals have not been there for a very long time.
    I don’t post a lot because yea I have been right the last 3 plus years. Wish I wasn’t.

    I own a fantasy baseball team. I sit Ryan Howard vs Gio Gonzalez. The Yahoo match up rating is one star. The lowest possible rating. I sit him against any left hander who can throw hard at all.

    But my real life team trots him out there.
    There is a disconnect here and its been disconnected for a long time.

    For me I am still a fan and watch the games and have fun with it.
    But the reality of no hope with Ruben GMing and Charlie managing is there.

    Until that is fixed this is going to be your team.

    • hk

      June 21, 2013 at 7:10 am

      Then, you are not going to like the following quote from Monty, copied from a article. When talking about Ruben, he said, “God knows we’re all trying to bat 1.000 on decision making. The reality is, I think we do better than the .300 standard in baseball.” Isn’t it encouraging to know that he sets the bar at a 30% success rate for his GM? Couldn’t he have accepted that OBP is a better statistic than BA and asked for a 35% success rate?

      • Lefty

        June 21, 2013 at 7:32 am

        That’s closer to the weatherman’s average success rate.

      • George

        June 21, 2013 at 4:46 pm

        If he went by the Phils’ OBP, it would be less than 35%.

        I, too, could not fathom that one. Sure, every GM makes mistakes, but the good ones do far better than even 35%. That success rate would get anyone except a weatherman or a politician canned and probably blackballed.

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