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Phillies to Sign Utilityman Cedeno

Stop the presses! The Hot Stove has fired back up.

According to the twitter account of Ken Rosenthal, the Phillies have signed infielder Ronny Cedeno to a minor league deal with an invite to Clearwater. In nine seasons, the 30-year-old Cedeno has played for the Cubs, Pirates, Mets, Padres, Mariners, and Astros.

Last season, split between Houston and San Diego, Cedeno hit .268 with a .318 OBP, but has little power or speed to talk of. Think Michael Martinez, but a slightly better hitter. He has accumulated a -1.4 WAR during his career.

Cedeno provides depth for the Phillies system and will have a shot at one of the final roster spots in March.

 

35 Comments

35 Comments

  1. Bart Shart

    January 13, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Wow — I’m at a loss for words.

    • Ryne Duren

      January 13, 2014 at 1:40 pm

      Bart I too am at a loss! However, oh never mind.

  2. josh

    January 13, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    So I guess Rollins accepted a trade

  3. Alex M.

    January 13, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Dont really understand this signing, it kinda is pointless with Brignac in the organization. Amaro needs to sign some more pitchers to minor league deals Camp, Manship, O’Sullivan and Jimenez are very uninspiring signings. I still want us to target Ayala, Bailey or O’Flatherty on a major league deal. As far as minor league deals Lyon, McClellan, Neshek, Omogrosso, Sipp, Axelrod, Bedard, Jurrjens and McDonald would all be some interesting gambles on minor league deals.

  4. Double Trouble Del

    January 13, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    I would like to think that there was an underlying reason for this signing but then again.

  5. Rags Faircloth

    January 13, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    Cedeno’s career .246/.289/.354 triple slash seems to be more than “slightly” better than Martinez’s .189/.234/.261 career line, but I get the sentiment. Purely an organizational depth transaction (for an organization that has very little depth).

  6. poconos

    January 13, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    God, Every time Rubin makes a move, I want to jump…. off a cliff.

  7. Manny

    January 13, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    How about getting a goddamn pitcher?

  8. c. schreiber

    January 13, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    What did we expect from RAJ? A signing of a player who may give the P’s some value. Christ sakes, he sucks, both Cedeno & Rube.

    • mudmin

      January 13, 2014 at 8:02 pm

      Remember the days when Jim Thome and all the big stars WANTED to be in Philly? Remember every newscast at least thinking that we were at least going to be in on all the good free agents? No one in the national media has us as part of the conversation on Masahiro Tanaka.

      We’re the 4th biggest TV market in the country with a rabid fan base? Why does this feel like the late 90s all over again?

      • Double Trouble Del

        January 13, 2014 at 9:13 pm

        I expect the Phillies to wait out Tanaka and perhaps sniff around one of the lesser starters left over but even then I expect them to stand pat.

  9. Bob in Bucks

    January 13, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    Gee folks, ti is only a minor league contract for a backup utility infielder. Relax!

  10. Clay Van Alstyne

    January 13, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    A 73 win team isn’t going to be at the top of the list of most free agents. Besides that, Amaro has apparently (and rightly) decided that he’s not going to be able to spend himself out of this mess. As he said on the day he was hired – if he can’t win the payroll that ownership is allowing him, then he must be doing something wrong.

  11. bacardipr

    January 14, 2014 at 3:15 am

    Guessing he will compete with Galvis. Not sure of Rubes thinking here. Im not appalled by the move. Freddy should have the better glove and Ronnie slightly better offensive #.s me thinks. While i think Galvis is a near a complete project some more time and or experience may help home some in the batters box. Perhaps Rube working on a trade involving Galvis. Who knows anymore with RAJ at the helm.

    • schmenkman

      January 14, 2014 at 5:20 am

      Galvis may go to LV to play every day and gets called up to start if Rollins or Utley gets hurt. Rollins only missed about 20 games combined the last two years.

  12. Dboyer

    January 14, 2014 at 5:58 am

    Is the new name for the ball park going to be Senior Citizens Bank Park . Sign some more has beens

    • schmenkman

      January 14, 2014 at 8:20 am

      Cedeno is actually 8 months younger than Kevin Frandsen.

      And the 2013 team was younger than the 2008 team.

      • mudmin

        January 14, 2014 at 8:59 am

        I don’t know why people keep comparing the “age” of the teams as if adding everyone’s age and dividing by 25 means anything. For one thing the 2008 team had ancient Jamie Moyer who practically added a full year to the “age” of the team as a whole.

        Secondly, when people complain about the age of the team, they’re pretty much talking about the core people who are getting marched out on the field every day and let’s face it, 3/4 of our infield and our catcher are 6 years older than they were in 2008.

        I’m not saying that’s a terrible thing. We could certainly do a lot worse than those guys (and in most cases, had we let them walk, our replacement players WOULD have been worse. Other than Howard’s contract, which everyone in the world thought was stupid, it’s pretty hard to say that any of the contracts offered to our core were a terrible idea (when given who we probably would have brought in to replace those guys.

      • schmenkman

        January 14, 2014 at 9:27 am

        No one is “adding everyone’s age and diving by 25”. A team’s age shown on baseball-reference.com is weighted by playing time, either plate appearances or innings pitched.

  13. mudmin

    January 14, 2014 at 9:43 am

    haha. Good point. Gotchya.

    So that would mean that a big reason the 2013 team is considered “younger” than the 2008 team was that many of our older players were actually on the DL and not factoring in the equation, right?

    Howard only played 80 games…Doc only started 13…chooch’s suspension brought him down to 92.

    • mudmin

      January 14, 2014 at 9:45 am

      Also, plate appearances is an interesting way to do it. Moving J-Roll to the 8 hole would make our team younger. Rube oughta think about that.

    • schmenkman

      January 14, 2014 at 9:58 am

      Sure, injuries also contributed to bringing down the weighted average.

      • George

        January 14, 2014 at 10:40 am

        Maybe injuries to Howard, Halladay, Ruiz, and Utley lowered that weighted average, but surely the injuries to Brown, Rvere, and others, and D.Young’s inability to play the first month and his release later in the year brought it back up. Lannan’s injury and the early shutdown of Kendrick probably also had some effect, though not a huge one given their middle-of-the- road ages.

        I have no idea why people constantly harp on the whole age thing. It’s talent and depth that really matter. A garbge 23 year old isn’t going to help a team win, but an excellent older guy, say Cliff Lee, or David Ortiz, or Mariano Rivera certainly will.

  14. mudmin

    January 14, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Well said. Age isn’t the issue. We need players to produce. We need to stay healthy and we need some luck on our side.

    I honestly think that one of the biggest things we haven’t been talking about is Ryne Sandberg. While not over .500. The team played significantly better (in a small sample size) under him.

    While Cholly gave us some of the best years ever of Philly baseball, I think he suffered a little bit from apparently attending the Andy Reid School of Decision Making. Rhyno isn’t going to turn us into a contender just by his mere presence, but I’m interested in seeing what a Spring Training and a full season looks like under him.

    • schmenkman

      January 14, 2014 at 11:21 am

      “significantly better”? .442 W% under Manuel, .476 under Sandberg, in a small sample as you said.

    • Rags Faircloth

      January 14, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      Ah yes, the tried and true “staying healthy” and “bad luck” mantra. We’ve certainly heard that a few times the over the past two seasons. Groundhog Day is only a few weeks away!

      • Lefty

        January 15, 2014 at 2:19 pm

        If I may step into this debate, I’d like to add that age, injury, performance- and any other excuses for a roster with this kind of payroll not producing, can be alleviated with organizational depth. As Murphy points out, other teams were able to weather their own storms, some with talent within their organization and some with players obtained from other teams with those resources.

        IMO- The problem isn’t relying on aging ( or younger) players to stay healthy, it’s having decent options to go to if the starters fail for whatever reason. It’s also about doing your homework, scouting available players that you can pick up if needed – as Brian Cashman did last season. It’s about a commitment to building an all around organization so that pin-hole leaks don’t become gushers when the inevitable storm clouds (injuries, end of careers, and under-producering players) roll in.

    • George

      January 15, 2014 at 6:27 pm

      I think I alresady stated that, Lefty: “It’s talent and depth that really matter.” Maybe I should have put more emphasis on the “depth” part.

      I also don’t think Cashman did all that well with the pieces he picked up. Vernon Wells was his usual stinky self, he never did find a really decent SS or 3rd baseman, and he even was in trade discusions for one of Amaro’s less than stellar position players, Michael Young. I also can’t remember if he added any pitching to his miserable starting rotation. Last year it seemed to me that most the mediocre teams were simply shuffling players around as if they were deck chairs on the Titanic. Some guys were waived by multiple teams, and still got picked up by other needy front offices. Many GMs seemed to be diving after utility infielders and seventh outfielders, acting just like a bunch of penniless nicotine addicts diving after the cigarette butt someone had just dropped on the sidewalk.

      • Lefty

        January 15, 2014 at 8:34 pm

        I missed that you said that about depth George, but we agree then.

  15. DadsInKeyLargo

    January 14, 2014 at 11:06 am

    The one thing the team does not need is depth at ss. This team has major deficiencies at pitcher and outfield. No depth at all.

    Maybe Jimmy and another player to the Dodgers….just sayin!

  16. Double Trouble Del

    January 14, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    I thought it curious that the Phillies were considering adding Lyle Overbay.

    • Chuck A.

      January 14, 2014 at 3:12 pm

      Well, there you go.. Lyle Overbay would certainly put us over the top. No??

  17. Bruce

    January 15, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    Curious signing with Ronny Cedeno. I suppose Phillies GM wants a little more depth and Cedeno is not a bad backup utility infielder (can play ss, 2b, 3b and OF). Certainly better than lightweights Martinez and Galvis. I’ll predict that Galvis will be heading back to the minors to learn how to hit.

    Personally, I like to see the manager give Cesar Hernandez a chance to stay with the ballclub as he has shown potential with the bat and is able to play more than one position.

    • George

      January 16, 2014 at 11:04 am

      With injury risks at three of the infield spots and a 3rd baseman who isn’t quite a proven player yet, the Phils need all the infield depth they can find. Cedeno is on a MINOR league contract, and may not even make the team, but it’s good to have him as well as Brignac, Hernandez, Frandsen, and Galvis in the system just in case. He might also be an option should the coaching staff decide one of the young guys, like Hernandez or Galvis need regular at bats at AAA instead of sporadic appearances off the Phils’ bench.

      One of the biggest problems last season was a lack of good options; that’s why MiniMart was so often on the 25 man roster. These most recent signings may not be fantastic, but they’tre probably all better than Martinez.

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