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Utley: World [Expletive] Champions!
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Fri, October 31, 2008 08:00 PM
The video of the day — of the year.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhF067kZNxA[/youtube]
Some might make a stink about this, but Chase says it with such sincerity that you have to excuse it and appreciate it. Plus, look at the reactions from Cole Hamels, Ryan Howard and Jayson Werth, among others. They’re floored. Their little unspoken leader made a big statement.
Mike Missanelli on 950 AM ESPN Radio made a stink about this, saying it was wrong with all the children in the crowd. You know what, they hear so much worse these days. Who cares about this? This was great.
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October 31st, 2008 at 8:06 pm
No one should have a problem with it…I was at the rally with my 6 year old son. He heard it heard the crowd go crazy and repeated it directly to me. After I stopped myself from almost laughing I told him in the sternest voice I could muster that that wasn’t a nice word and that was the end of that.
What a day Philadelphia we deserved it!
Philadelphia Phillies World F@#$%NG champions!!!!
October 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Lets just chalk it up to the fact the players would have had A LOT of champagne and enough adrenaline going to stun a rhino. We know Chase is a class act and this isn’t Manny territory, sure it was inappropriate but the guys earn’t the right for a free pass.
October 31st, 2008 at 8:11 pm
People are too uptight sometimes. It’s just a word. If you want to, tell your kids its not right for them to say and move on.
October 31st, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Not cool, and a terrible lack of class and lack of imagination as well as intellectual powers to describe the wonder of a Phillies championship. I’m sorry an otherwise seemingly classy guy displayed such a lack of class and consideration for his fans.
I also think we should not have boo-ed (after winning no less) the mention of the Rays as worthy competitors, and I wasn’t even too jazzed at booing Bud Selig. We won! Why do Philly fans, no matter how victorious, just have let out vile venom and bitterness? It’s not the majority, but there’s a minority who just don’t show class. And I’m willing to call them out on it every time they do it, even a great player like Utley, cause it diminishes them and it diminishes Philadelphia fans!
And oh yeah, the players who laughed and applauded, they displayed no class then too.
October 31st, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Bob, they won the World Series, not the Nobel Prize.
October 31st, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Bob – How old are you? 60? It’s a different era man, get over it.
October 31st, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Tim – Is there a video on Youtube that shows Utley’s entire speech? Might be good to show how he really gives props to the entire team after making that comment.
October 31st, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Good point, I agree with you on that one. And by the way, I’m no better than they are. In fact, I’d definitely do far, far, worse with all the adulation and adrenaline such a victory brings. So please forgive me for any self-righteousness, which is a far worse fault than a 1 second lapse of judgment in using a word.
Many of these guys really give back to the community and truly are outstanding role models. One little flub-up doesn’t change that. I love these guys, and I celebrate what they were able to accomplish.
October 31st, 2008 at 8:28 pm
I love Chase,that was the best speech by far just the way he said it…People can hate you all they want for saying it Chase,but f u c k them,WERE WORLD F U C K I N G CHAMPIONS!!!
October 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Matt, how young are you? It’s different when you grow up.
Dropping the fbomb was tacky. Sorry, it’s just bad manners. Like I said before, it’s one thing between friends, another when representing your team on a stage. It makes a lot of people think a little less of you.
Sorry if you don’t like that but that’s the real world.
October 31st, 2008 at 8:37 pm
I’m waiting on the New Chase Utley T-shirt. You no it’s coming and you no it will sell. Probably sell better then the BOO? F*ck you tshirt
October 31st, 2008 at 8:44 pm
To me it’s a word. Yes it’s used in hate speak, but when you boil it down, it’s just a word.
October 31st, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Agreed Tim. That’s what I said above. It’s a word. It’s all about how it’s used and Chase did not use it in a bad way at all. I guess some people are just more easily riled up.
October 31st, 2008 at 9:00 pm
America gets so hyped up over language and nudity, especially in movies yet is totally ok with violence beyond repair.
Never made sense to me.
October 31st, 2008 at 9:17 pm
SJ – totally agree. I actually just read an article today about some theaters banning the new movie Zach and Miri Make a Porno – but those same theaters are allowing Saw 5. Seems ridiculous to me.
October 31st, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not condoning cursing like that in public, but I honestly think that Utley slipped and was overwhelmed with pure emotion.
And the context it was used in has a lot to do with curses that are acceptible (or at least forgiveable) and downright offensive.
And guess what. George W. Bush has been caught cursing and giving obscene gestures (including the finger) on camera multiple times, and he’s the President (thankfully for not much longer). Shouldn’t people be more concerned about that?
October 31st, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Just wanted to point out that Harry Kalas said that Chase threw out the potential tying run at home plate.
It was actually the potential go-ahead run.
October 31st, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Like we don’t hear that kind of talk on a daily basis here in Philly.
I can’t wait for the shirts to come out “World Phucking Champions”.
I’d buy one.
October 31st, 2008 at 9:41 pm
The T-Shirt is here – http://www.cafepress.com/phnchamps.323423434
October 31st, 2008 at 9:42 pm
This is too good. I had only heard about it and couldn’t find it on YouTube until this was posted, and it’s so much better to see him and the crowd (and the reaction of Cole and Jayson Werth!).
Well put, Chase.
October 31st, 2008 at 9:42 pm
full speech is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqApsgXYdX0
i think he had every right to say what he said. they are all still in shock as are the fans. world phucking champions baby!
October 31st, 2008 at 9:45 pm
It was a totally “Philly” thing for him to do..I love it!
October 31st, 2008 at 10:06 pm
I always look for graciousness towards the opponents, especially in victory. I always look for examples of great character to point out to my young children, and for examples of arrogance. Sports supplies many bad examples, play-hogs, whiners, poor losers, etc. I will say one class act is Charlie Manuel. He has been the key ingredient to take a bunch of millionaire prima-donna players and turn them into a team. Benching Rollins, sending Myers to the Minors, sticking with loyal team players through thick and thin to much criticism, all are actions of character, principle, consistency.
My admiration for Charlie Manuel is great. And he deserves a ton more credit even than he is getting right now.
October 31st, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Clarification: Not all the players were millionaires yet, but by the end of the season Cole Hamels and others knew they would be on the rapid rise. Hamels only made 400,000. this year. That’s crazy. I mean that’s the same as the President, and we all know Hamels is way more important than the President!
October 31st, 2008 at 10:24 pm
When are you making the shirts?………………………………
October 31st, 2008 at 10:55 pm
oh yeah, such a class act he is. Lets see, the fans feel the need to start trashing and vandolize your city, and your star 2nd basemen is on national tv sounding like a drunken biker or something. What a city full of losers. I hate all of you
October 31st, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Phillyhater, because we know how nothing of the sort has happened like that anywhere else before. I mean, Boston didn’t have any problems when they won, did they? New York has no problems every New Years, right?
And we know how no ballplayer has ever said that word. That’s right, everyone is spick and span and clean.
Thank you for clearing that up with your bottled up rage that you had to hide behind an computer anonymously and go into the thick of what you hate to express it.
October 31st, 2008 at 10:58 pm
deanno – scroll up a few comments
October 31st, 2008 at 11:24 pm
That was awesome! That was hilarious. Nobody expected it from him, which made it so awesome.
October 31st, 2008 at 11:31 pm
loved it. t-shirts available.
http://www.cafepress.com/philliephans
November 1st, 2008 at 12:10 am
I don’t care what he said — he never looked hotter!
November 1st, 2008 at 12:13 am
i was at the bank and it went nuts when he said that people need to relax
November 1st, 2008 at 12:15 am
UTLEY IS THE MAN!!!!!
WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!
WORLD F*CKING CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!
I’m getting a T-shirt!
November 1st, 2008 at 12:21 am
I was in the CBP parking lot when he said it… the whole thing exploded!! Actually, when he said that, it finally kicked in… WE ARE THE WORLD PHUCKING CHAMPIONS! It was so emotional and special… I got my champagne bottle and sprayed everyone nearby!!! I love this team!
November 1st, 2008 at 1:30 am
greatest speech since martin luther king’s “i have a dream” speech. no doubt. best moment of my entire life.
November 1st, 2008 at 1:40 am
Phillyhater,At least no one died when we celebrated like in Boston,and that was only after they won the ALCS.
November 1st, 2008 at 1:46 am
I think this is the best t-shirt out of all of them – http://www.cafepress.com/philliesnation/6136922
November 1st, 2008 at 2:02 am
Also, here is my home video of more of Utley’s speech
November 1st, 2008 at 2:16 am
i believe it was more of a reference to the all-star game situation and the hype that followed that. after winning the world series for this city he can say whatever he wants! utley for mayor.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:53 am
let him say whatever he wants. F Missanelli.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:37 am
Oh no kids, you can’t hear bad mans say the F word, go run along and play your grand theft auto game.
November 1st, 2008 at 8:46 am
So to all of you who believe the word is fine…….when and if you have your own children, your kids teachers can freely use this word to your son or daughter, right?
November 1st, 2008 at 9:00 am
1. I believe it was said with sincerity from someone who was exhausted from the playoff effort and basking in the incredible feel of victory – the ultimate goal in a profession that very few on the planet are blessed enough to be a part of. As an adult, it’s something I could imagine yelling in a bar with friends when I was in my twenties.
2. However, like one of the early posters here, my 8 year old son (who adores Chase Utley and has the shirt), immediately repeated the phrase while watching the TV and I had to correct him about the bad word. It’s certainly not the most difficult parenting I’ve ever had to do, but it did leave my son a little puzzled about his hero.
3. I’m sure my son will continue to wear the 26 shirt and I’ll continue to be a huge fan of the way Chase plays the game. If I could, I would ask Chase that the next time he gets to that podium, he handles it differently. This isn’t the first time Chase let an expletive fly at the wrong moment – http://www.knucklecurve.com/chase-utley-video-utley-doesnt-like-boos/
4. I agree with another earlier poster too. I look for examples of great character as well because my sons need those examples as they grow – there are far too few of them in the world.
5. As for the crowd in general, I don’t buy what someone here said about it being a different world today – that’s an excuse. There’s absolutely no need to boo – EVER. Just because someone wins doesn’t mean someone else needs to get made fun of. The Rays, not even the Mets (who inwardly I don’t care for very much) deserve to be booed at the same time we celebrate a championship. Class and character need to be a part of our world in the future – sports USED to be a vehicle to teach America’s youth about these important life lessons. There’s no reason we can’t love our team and enjoy the historic moment without acting poorly toward others.
Go Phils, let’s get another!
November 1st, 2008 at 9:23 am
Chase has made a habit of dropping f-bombs. Just goes to show money and fame can’t ensure class.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:12 am
CUT CHASE SOME SLACK THE MAN WAS HAPPY . HE JUST SAID HOW HE FELT AT TIME . GET OVER IT ! BE HAPPY WE ARE THE WORLD CHAMPS. WE ARE NUMBER ONE AT LAST ! AND LOVE IT WHEN HE DID AT THE STAR GAME THAT WAS FUNNY CAUSE IT WAS NEW YORK ! IAM PROUD TO BE FROM PHILADELPHIA,PA AND PROUD TO BE A PHILLIES FAN AND PROUD TO BE PART OF THE PHILLIES NATION. GOD BLESS USA . DO NOT FORGET TO VOTE!
November 1st, 2008 at 10:27 am
In an world where athletes are getting caught for DUIs, doing drugs, taking steroids, domestic abuse, and doing other terrible things, I think we can let Chase off the hook for saying one swear word. For some strange reason we expect athletes to be better than us, to be these beacons to look up to, but we tend to forget that they’re only human. I was glad to see Utley say it, because it was clear that he actually cared about winning a championship. Too often in the world of sports, athletes don’t care about winning, they just care about how much they’re getting paid, but it’s nice to see that some athletes really do care about winning a championship for themselves and for their fans. Was it the proper thing to say? Probably not. But we shouldn’t be making such a big deal out of it.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:43 am
i personally don’t like to swear, (when i can control it). and when people have to use the F word three times per sentence, yeah that bothers me. but, while it shocked me when he said it, it didn’t offend me, he summed up how we all feel, and i’m buying the shirt as soon as i can.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:08 am
No one is making a big deal out of Chase saying this.
Except I do and will resent you for wearing this shirt in public. I’ll probably throw a cup of something vile on you if you wear it around my kids.
Well, I probably won’t do that, but if you wear that in public, and my children are around, I’ll make you an object lesson of how to be a stupid, ignorant, no-class jerk.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:22 am
Bob – Although I disagreed with you earlier in the post, I do agree with you on the shirt, it’s pretty tacky. I hope everyone on this site purchases the “Phinally” shirt instead.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Is what he said any worse than that show on at 7;30 at night on fox. they are in bed talking sex its a disgrace.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Like others have mentioned, I saw the celebration live and when Utley said those words the entire stadium rose in an ovation and the players also reacted. Even J Roll mentioned he did not know how he was going to follow that up. Those reactions are testament to the fact that in that one moment in time that word captured all that they were feeling.
We need to remember that so called “curse” words carry much more emotion to them than your usual words. When the Phillies won I called my friends and yelled out exaclty what Chase did and we all cheered. It was because the F words had that emotion, that strength to express the raw, boundless, happiness I had at the time being. Just saying “I’m very happy” was not enough. I’m not the type to use that word all the time but at that moment, like Chase, its the one I needed.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Bob, you gotta calm down, my man. Did you hear me when i said i don’t like to swear, and it offends me when others do? i resent you saying stupid, ignorant, no-class jerk. i didn’t say it, i don’t own the darn shirt, if i did purchase it, it would be for sleep wear. i would never wear something like that outside. Go rant at Chase, not a wholesome phan.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pm
They say that people swear when they don’t have the vocabulary to use a better word but so f*cking what, worse things have happened on a baseball stadium.
November 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Oh relax… it’s just a word. That one word summed up almost all of the fans and teams emotions waiting 28 years to be World Champs again. Kids will eventually learn that word and it was not a disgrace at all. Chase is as good a role model as any. I think some people just have such boring lives and way too much time on their hands that they have nothing better to do than complain all the time. Bob, it’s 2008… come join the rest of us.
November 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
best moment of the year. chase was not the only person to scream those words all day, any kid who was there probably heard those words a hundred times before chase said it. we love it in philly, so why don’t all you non-philly fans let us enjoy this the way we want to!
November 1st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
The objection expressed here from posters I believed is not the profanity itself (considering the emotions of the moment) but the inappropiate use in a public place where parents and their children are in attendance. Common sense, judgment and awareness of locale should should have given Utley a pause for thought before uttering the F-bomb.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I agree 100% Bruce. I couldn’t help but think of Jamie Moyers’ children who, no doubt like the rest of us, adore Chase Utley. It really puts us in a quandry. I often cite Chase as an example of someone who always gives everything that he has in every game and hustles every play. He is a player that is worth every penny to go to the park and watch. Now, that example comes with “baggage”. That is the shame of the choice of words.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm
There’s a time and place for everything. I laughed, but I’d rather see ‘em keep it clean for the kids. Life goes on. That F-bomb isn’t nearly as alarming as the behavior of Manny, for example. Actions speak louder than words… oh well.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm
I totally object to the shirt. it’s not something you should wear, didn’t mind him in the spirit of his joy saying it but the shirt no.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Bring it on Boob. Just try to pour “something vile” on me.
Have someone take a video of me turning your face into something resembling a pizza so your precious little snowflakes will remember what a jackass their father was.
November 1st, 2008 at 6:24 pm
what was Rocky saying?
November 1st, 2008 at 6:26 pm
OK, Chase shouldn’t have said it with all the kids there or watching on TV.
BUT……… It’s exactly what most of us wanted to say. It was great, and the reactions of Hamels, Werth, Howard are wonderful.
November 1st, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Rocky = Typical Philly Tough Guy. (TPTG). What a moron.
November 1st, 2008 at 6:35 pm
That makes me smile and laugh every time I hear it! Should have posted his comments in their entirety, where he graciously thanks the fans and acknowledges the contributions of every one of his teammates. Classy with a little blue collar jargon thrown in to bring home a point. Love that guy, you go Chase! For talking heads like Mike Missanelli: whatever. I hear worse language coming from grade school children walking past my place of business in North Philly. I’m sure he didn’t say it to act the fool, but clearly to acknowledge a job well done. Cheers Chase and well done to the entire Phillies organization, we are humbled and honored by your effort.
November 1st, 2008 at 6:47 pm
He shouldnt have done it, but I love it. Utley’s my kind of dude.
November 1st, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Puh-lease. I loved it. Getting him to talk or show emotion most of the year is like pulling teeth. Besides, it’s not like he does it all the time – he only curses during all-star games and World Series celebrations. If these parents take their kids to any Phillies game they’ll hear worse than this in the stands. Go Chase!
November 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm
I loved it even though I hate the word in conversation. It was an emotional statement and drove us in the crowd into a frenzy!
November 2nd, 2008 at 8:07 am
I agree that Utley shouldnt have dropped the F-Bomb.
That being said though, you have to consider the situation. A World Championship after 25 years of frustration, Oilers, Joe Carter, Red Wings, Shaq and Kobe, and the Pats.
Parents should look at this as a good thing to teach kids that its not appropiate to say these words, but come on, I can probably guarentee you that most kids already know these words. Just tell your kid that he was just excited, but you never say those words, at least at their age.
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 am
I watched the parade on TV, and at first Ithought I heard Chase wrong. My husband , who’s a bit of a prude, was offended for the sake of the kids listening. I figure most Philly kids have heard a lot worse. I thought Chase was awesome! Having grown up in a suburb of Philly and spending a lot of time in the city for work and pleasure both, I thought Utley was channeling the typical Philadelphia sports fan. In case you haven’t noticed, we have a national reputation as being tough, passionate and very loyal. Those three words shouted by Chase “said it all……. and said it “perfectly”. I love this town!
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:12 am
On the ride home in the car on Friday someone on the radio apologized on behalf of the station for Utley’s remark, saying that it certainly isn’t the policy of the station to have such words come across the airwaves (guess they were just covering themselves from a fine from the FCC). My 11-yr old son looked at me…….and it should be noted that we have taught him what bad words are and he knows that and doesn’t use them………he looked at me and said, “Cmon….people just need to lighten up.” I think that statement just says it all. EVERYBODY JUST NEEDS TO LIGHTEN UP!!!
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 am
Selective censorship – why does MLB have Viagra banners hanging behind the batter’s box in all MLB games? Why does Cialis advertise after every inning in the post season? Isn’t it easier to explain to your children that sometimes language is inappropriate but the key is to not repeat it, rather than have to explain what a four-hour erection is? Give me a break. Well-adjusted parents raise secure and well-adjusted kids and a little four letter word will not send your family into a tailspin.
As for Chase – brilliant! You spoke for generations of frustrated Phillies fans and you hit the nail on the head!
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:10 pm
All you people who complain about Chase saying that deserve to have a few expletives said at them……..Your probably alll conservative F@#KS that are about to get takin over by the new age of AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!………DIE HIPPIES DIE
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
I’m with you Maria 100%!
November 2nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
I get it, but I didn’t love it. I wasn’t offended, and I don’t think any children were scarred by hearing it.
I just wish, as the face of the organization, he had managed to be a little classier. It felt a little too cool for school. I’m not really psyched that our new unofficial slogan as a fan base has a big old F-bomb in it.
I still think he’s a better person than 90% of professional baseball players. I don’t judge him as a person because of it. But I don’t think it was the best choice he could’ve made.
November 2nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Does anyone know where I can find this in an audio file? I’d love to have it as my ringtone, though I don’t know if I’m willing to part with Harry’s call of the third strike…
November 2nd, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Who is going to wear a shirt like this? Do you think some parents will buy them for their kids because they think they are cute? Will schools accept them as appropriate wear? I’m already imagining walking down the street, passing by a beer bellied guy wearing this shirt, and having to pretend that’s it perfectly fine with me. I want to see Phillies Champion shirts and be reminded of a fantastic time in this city. I don’t want to see the other shirt and be reminded of something far less spectacular. It won’t be fair.
November 3rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Missanelli is a poor mans Jim Rome. Not funny, not annoying enough to be relevant. Got fired from a lot of places for his own misconduct. Hey we’re all human right? So Mike, from your glass house, you without sin, cast the first stone.
November 3rd, 2008 at 7:34 pm
[...] Well, unless you’re Chase Utley. [...]
November 3rd, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Only in the United States could you win your NATIONAL title and have the arrogance to proclaim yourself world champions like you do for baseball and basketball.
Both of these sports have a world championship and America is not the champion of either at this point in time.
November 4th, 2008 at 9:51 am
As an outsider (I am from Ohio and a Cleveland fan), I don’t see anything wrong with this.
If one of my teams were to win a title (believe me I know its a longshot) and one of my players said it, I would think nothing of it.
When Ohio State won the BCS title in 2002, Jim Tressel made a play on words about the team, saying “Not only do we have The Best Damn Band In The Land (which is what they actualy are called), now we have the Best Damn Team In The Land!”
I know this is different than the F word, but his came as a shock to all of us who follow Ohio State football and we were all good with it.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
He was in the heat of the moment, anyone from Philadelphia who did not get chills from his speech is not a true Philadelphia fan. I think that culminated the entire attitude of this team. It is what it is, we have been waiting 25 years for a championship and Chase said exactly what everybody felt. I love the emotion, it shows that some of these players making millions of dollars do still care about winning and losing. Love ya Chase and love th Phils!!!
November 4th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Parents who teach thier children not to use words like that have children who know not to use words like that. Don’t let your children watch TV, go to sporting events, search the internet, listen to the radio, go to school, or go out in public in general if you are concerned about how badly a word such as that will effect them.
Also, Chase Utley is from Pasadena, California. Get that strait before accusing him of being a steriotypical Philadelphian. We welcome him and his language with open arms, however, because we are classless losers as much stated in here….yet you are on here saying you hate people and calling them morons….now that’s class!
November 4th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Get over it. The man used everyday street language that everyone hears all the time everywhere except in Court, Church, and on most TV shows. Every kid learns all those words in kindergarten. Mr. Utley is as human as we are and was expressing his happiness–as he justly has a right to do!
November 4th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
I have been to Phillies games and have heard a lot worse coming from Joe Schmoe sitting next to me. We Philly fans are certainly a different breed. We boo Santa Claus, the boy who couldn’t find an Easter Egg and the players wive’s; but we cheer the ‘PH’ word. It’s because we are blue collar people. Go Phightins’. World ‘Phucking’ Champions. It’s been a long time comin’.
November 9th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
It’s so totally classless it’s beyond belief, but what’s worse is all the apologists posting here. It’s what our world has become, a sewer with no dignity or style.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:22 am
Who cares if he said a bad word. Almost all of the fans didn’t care because we just won a championship! Language is just sounds we make.
WORLD PHUCKIN CHAMPIONS!1
January 13th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
It’s been a couple months, but remember what Tug McGraw said on October 22, 1980?
“For years, New York City has had to take a back seat in basebasll history to Philadelphia. Well, New York can take this championship and stick it…‘CAUSE WE’RE NUMBER ONE!”
People back then thought it was controversial. Chase Utley did the 2008 version.