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Report: Phillies “Very Willing” to Trade Rollins



My guess is, the Phillies would be willing to trade just about everyone right now. And besides, basically everyone on the roster worth anything has popped up in the rumor mill this offseason. Add Jimmy Rollins to that list.

Via Buster Olney on Twitter, the Phillies are “very willing” to move Jimmy Rollins, after a report surfaced they were angling to deal Jonthan Papelbon last week. This wouldn’t be an easy deal, either.

Rollins, 35, has a full no-trade clause and is coming off one of the worst seasons of his career. Finding a motivated taker for his $11 million guaranteed might be hard to do. Rollins is also likely to achieve an $11 million fourth-year vesting option which goes into effect if he reaches 434 plate appearances this season.

If the final-year option does not vest, the Phillies will then hold an $8 million club option on Rollins. In the event that the Phillies decline that option, Rollins would then have a $5MM player option.

Rollins has made it known in the past that he isn’t willing to go anywhere. A comment he made last season about wanting to stick around in Philadelphia to set team records was part of the motivation; and that rubbed some fans the wrong way.

Last season, Rollins hit .252 – his fifth consecutive season under .270 – with an OBP of .318. His .348 slugging percentage was by far the lowest total of his 13 full seasons in the majors, as was his 0.2 WAR.

Defensively, there are certainly cracks, but Rollins should still be considered an elite shortstop. His arm is strong and while his range isn’t great, he’s among the best.




  1. Ryne Duren

    December 16, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Boy I’ll tell you. This Buster guy sure knows how to stir up crap from nothing. Last week it was Hamel’s and Lee. This week it’s Rollins. Next week it’ll be a package of Howard, Papelbon and 5 minor leaguers to the Pirates for mini mart.

    • Hogey's Role

      December 16, 2013 at 2:20 pm

      Please don’t joke about a trade for mini mart, I don’t wanna start having nightmares again…

  2. Larry Harlow

    December 16, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    A 73 win team should be very willing to trade anyone if it means making the team better.

  3. Dave

    December 16, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    So we are basically dangling our entire team. The problem is that no one wants our players at the salary they are being paid. Can we dangle Amaro over a pool of ill tempered sea bass?

    • Larry Harlow

      December 16, 2013 at 3:11 pm

      Don’t worry, I can’t see how Amaro will make it beyond 2014. The driving factor, as usual in these cases, will be declining revenue. Of course, that is directly tied to the product on the field.

    • cat

      December 16, 2013 at 3:35 pm

      Dangle hell, throw him in!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. Cory

    December 16, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    We all know Jimmy is untradeable due to his 10/5 and contract. Important point here is the vesting option. He needs 434 PA. If we are again out of it in late June/early July, Jimmy should be replaced in everyday lineup by Freddy (especially if Jimmy is repeating his 2013 performance). This would not only prevent the option from vesting, but would let us know if Freddy could play everyday.

    • George

      December 16, 2013 at 3:49 pm

      A nice thought, but it can’t happen without grievences and possibly lawsuits from the player’s union.

    • Larry Harlow

      December 16, 2013 at 3:50 pm

      He’s not untradeable if he waives his no-trade clause. Players have been known to change their minds.

      • Hogey's Role

        December 16, 2013 at 3:52 pm

        Plus if he doesn’t reach those plate appearances the team holds an 8 million option and if they decline jimmy then has a 5 million player option so if he wants another year he can still have it

  5. Ken Bland

    December 16, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    I am quite for certain that if we examined the landscape of the NBA, where about 2 Eastern Conference teams have rental property above the .500 mark, or NHL, we’d find more similarities than this, but it pains me to write that the Phizzies are chock full of Siamese similarity to the other biggest joke in pro sports, the Dallas Cowboys. Most any right thinking citizen from Manyunk to the suburbs of Trenton would have intense hatred for the Cowboys, and just by nature of home town connection, a degree of adulation for the team guided by (pardon me while I cough), Ruben Amaro.

    I mean, trade rumors are all talk,maybe based on sucking the lonely and bored into frivolous chit chat much of the time, but this latest Rollins mention, which might not be too true is more comedy by which to draw Phillie-Cowboy comparisons. It’s like the way the rumors are aired and written, not only does Team Amaro wanna shop Hamels, Lee, Papelbon and Rollins, it comes across with such anxiousness and enthusiasm.

    So it’s all rhetoric for now, but the clear visibility of no plan is amazing. I mean truly amazing.

    I almost don’t even know if it might not be overly criticizing Jerrah Jones to put him in the same sentence as Ruben.

    I’m finding it harder to believe I’ll renew the MLB package for 2014. I mean how much comedy can you take? Even those right about Rube since quite a while ago probably didn’t even know he was as bad as he’s come across this off season.

    The Phils and the Cowboys. This I swear is true.

    • hk

      December 18, 2013 at 6:21 am


      I disagree about RAJ this off-season. In fact, I think that this has been his best off-season as GM. When I assess a GM, I like to do so on the basis of how he uses the resources afforded him. To me, RAJ’s deserved a C- or worse for his first five off-seasons because he squandered (future 1st round draft picks) or under-utilized (prospects, payroll to spend while other teams were holding the line on salaries) the resources made available to him.

      If I judge RAJ solely off the merits of this off-season, I do so on the basis that he seems to have been given last year’s payroll figure as a target for this season. In that regard, it looks like he had about $33M to spend on tendering or not his arbitration-eligible players and filling holes. Judging from the fact that he gave out a 3 year deal, a 2 year deal and a 1 year deal, I also believe that management has kept him from signing any player for 2017 or beyond. In that realm, I find it hard to criticize the man for tendering offers to all of the arb-eligibles or for signing Byrd, Chooch and Hernandez. I also like the upside of the Lincoln trade, especially in light of how little they gave up. If I blame RAJ for anything, I blame him for the fact that he’s primarily responsible for not properly using the competitive advantages that were bestowed upon him when he took over as GM, which has led to the team’s current predicament. His prior stewardship led to the owners putting “handcuffs” on him, but I think he’s done okay with the “handcuffs” on.

      As far as the rumors are concerned, I also give RAJ a pass. When it comes to the Hamels and Lee rumors, he was quick to squash them as soon as he was asked about them. What I surmise happened there is that another team, probably one that was interested in trading for another SP (maybe David Price) floated that rumor. If another team called the Phillies and asked if Hamels and Lee are available, RAJ responded with something to the effect of “everyone’s available for the right price (no pun intended)” and that team ran to Peter Gammons or Buster Olney and said “Hamels and Lee are available”, what did RAJ do wrong? The Papelbon and Rollins rumors after different as I’m sure he would move either of them in a heartbeat if he could. RAJ is probably like a caged animal right now. It’s not even January and he – according to my read of the situation – is at his budget limit unless he can free up some room by moving one of his bigger contracts.

      tl;dr: RAJ’s bad GM-ing has led management to restrict payroll this off-season and RAJ has done well considering the restrictions.

  6. Keith

    December 16, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Trading Jimmy Rollins would make my day. The Phillies could play someone there that is for the team, not individual records.

    • schmenkman

      December 16, 2013 at 8:02 pm

      I’m glad Rollins said that he wants to break Phillies records. I took it as he’s proud and honored to have been with the Phillies organization long enough and played well enough to climb those lists, and to be remembered as an important part of this team. As he should be.

      • Keith

        December 16, 2013 at 9:47 pm

        I haven’t heard Chase Utley say that. Carlos Ruiz didn’t say that. Neither did Shane Victorino. All of them said they wanted what was best for the TEAM. Rollins is all about what is best for him.

      • schmenkman

        December 16, 2013 at 11:57 pm

        With all due respect, that’s nonsense. It would be just silly for Utley to say anything like that, since he won’t approach any significant team records (nor was Vic anywhere close). And Chooch’s next hit will be the 700th of his career. Rollins got his 700th hit 9 years ago, when Ruiz was in AA. And Ruiz and Rollins were born two months apart.

        What I heard in Rollins’ statement is that the Phillies are the only team he’s ever known, and now that he’s so close to achieving something historic with that team, he’s not interested in throwing all that away.

      • Art

        December 17, 2013 at 8:00 am

        Funny, what i heard was…“There are still a couple of things I’d like to be No. 1 in for this organization, so until those things are done, I’m not going anywhere,” Rollins said.”

      • schmenkman

        December 17, 2013 at 8:59 am

        Yeah, I thought what he actually said was well established. I was relaying what I thought was behind the words.

  7. Chuck A.

    December 16, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    Boy, all the Jimmy Rollins haters are gonna have a field day with this one…

    • Justin McElroy

      December 17, 2013 at 8:28 am

      Basically, Jimmy Rollins became the “face of the franchise” way back when he declared the Phillies to be the “team to beat” way back in the winter of 2007. Seven years later, the frustration of the fanbase often gets directed towards Jimmy. I think the “haters” just realize that the proverbial window of opportunity closed two seasons ago. That being said, does it really make sense for the organization to be allocating $26 million to a declining middle infield or to a $25 million firstbaseman who should be a platoon player? Is spending $20 million this year for the 1-2 punch of Adams & Papelbon borderline insanity? If the sole purpose of sticking with these players is to “fill seats”, then the organization has lost focus of the big picture. Amaro should be looking at the next chapter, not trying to hang on to past glory. At this point, how much worse would this team actually be with Galvis starting at SS? Would they be a 72 win team instead of a 73 win team? Couldn’t all those extra millions be allocated more wisely?

      Rollins “hating” doesn’t have as much to do with Jimmy then it does with the actual state of the franchise. He’s become the lightening rod for the frustration of the fanbase.

      • Chris

        December 17, 2013 at 11:08 am

        Actually, I know a lot of people that don’t like Rollins. It has nothing to do with the state of the franchise. They don’t like him for all of the reasons we’ve mentioned over the years on this site and others. Lack of hustle and selfishness are the main issues and they’ll never go away. They’re not good qualities to have in life no matter what your occupation.

      • schmenkman

        December 17, 2013 at 12:31 pm

        @Chris, regarding “lack of hustle and selfishness”:

        My take is the lack of hustle is way overblown. He hustles on the field, he hustles on the bases, he works hard to keep himself in shape and healthy. The fact that he doesn’t run out some (perhaps many) balls that look like sure outs, when it makes zero difference the vast majority of the time, is not an attractive trait, and it would be more satisfying as a fan if he (and all the many other players who do this) ran every one of them out. But to me it’s an issue of style rather than substance, and it’s not something I put a lot of importance in. Your mileage may vary, as they say.

        As for “selfishness”, if this is any different than a player who wants to play every day, I don’t see it.

  8. Drew

    December 16, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    His name “popped up” that was witty

  9. Double Trouble Del

    December 16, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    Once again this is information gathering on the part of the “o r g a n I z a t i o n” (as Flyers spokespeople say).

  10. bacardipr

    December 17, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Probably wont happen unless Jimmy wants to leave. Dont see that happening right now.

  11. Bob D

    December 17, 2013 at 9:24 am

    this has as much basis as a Howard Eskin reported rumor. Rollins ain’t going anywhere, and if replaced by Galvis the only thing gained is lower payroll. Galvis and Rollins would probably play to the same WAR value. They both have upside and both do help the team.

    • wbramh

      December 17, 2013 at 7:52 pm

      Rule of thumb: Pay no attention to a “journalist” who can fit his entire body of knowledge in a single tweet.
      “A journalist is a reporter out of a job.”
      – M. Twain

  12. Dave

    December 17, 2013 at 9:50 am

    They have to throw stuff out there like this when there’s nothing else to talk about. Flyers and Sixers stink, so our sports coverage is kind of limited other than the Eagles.

  13. Jay

    December 17, 2013 at 11:11 am

    I honestly think that there are two J-Rolls- the one who gives a damn and the one who does not. Last year we saw the latter but there is simply no way in hell that Freddy Galvis in a full season has the potential of the former.

    • Larry Harlow

      December 17, 2013 at 11:27 am

      Galvis obviously will never produce at a 2007/2008 Rollins level, but how about a 2013 (0.2 WAR) Rollins level? If he can do that, doesn’t it make more sense to have the $500,000 player at that production rather than the $11 million player?

      • Hogey's Role

        December 17, 2013 at 11:40 am

        Yeah galvis will never be Rollins in his prime, but Rollins’ prime has long since past…
        It’s possible this past season was an anomaly but it’s also possible that he is on a decline, which seems more likely for a 35 year old shortstop…
        On the other hand galvis is nowhere near a dynamic player like jimmy Rollins once was but he does show glimpses of being an offensive threat, galvis is a defensive wizard, and he does have pop offensively, he just needs to make more consistent contact to be an everyday player….

      • schmenkman

        December 17, 2013 at 12:40 pm

        Rollins’ 2013 WAR was 1.6 according to fangraphs. As for whether he’s on a decline, of course he is, and every player in their 30s is almost by definition in decline. However the decline phase is almost always an up-and-down affair, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he bounced back some in 2014.

        I know of three projections so far for 2014, and they show Rollins with 1.9 WAR (Steamer), 2.1 (ZiPS), and 2.3 (Oliver).

      • Chuck A.

        December 17, 2013 at 1:12 pm

        Forget WAR for a minute.. On just the “intangibles” alone …RIGHT NOW I would take Jimmy Rollins over Freddy Galvis EVERY SINGLE DAY. That’s not to say that Freddy COULDN’T fill the role….to a point…. I just think that Rollins over the course of the whole season is gonna give you more. Maybe I’m wrong. Just my opinion.

      • Hogey's Role

        December 17, 2013 at 2:20 pm

        Just to clear my statement up.. Bottom line unless something ridiculously crazy happens my 2014 starting shortstop is Rollins… I think galvis still needs work offensively if it’s possible, hopefully he hasn’t reached his pinnacle….

  14. Lefty

    December 17, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    I am “very willing” to trade Buster Olney and all his rumor brethren for a bag of beans.

    • Chuck A.

      December 17, 2013 at 3:46 pm

      I pity those that are near you after you consume that bag of beans.

      • Lefty

        December 17, 2013 at 6:23 pm

        Ha! me too.

    • George

      December 17, 2013 at 5:50 pm

      Bag of beans? I don’t think you’d find anyone who’d even give you a bag of dog turds for Olney and his ilk. I know I wouldn’t.

  15. The Original Chuck P

    December 17, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    I’ve defended Jimmy so many times on here… he has been without question one of the most consistent players on this team over the period of time that encompasses the best decade in franchise history. The only player I’d place ahead of him in terms of consistency is Chase. J-Roll posted a WAR total of 32 between 2004 (when Howard came up) and 2011 (the year before the wheels began to fall off). He had one seasons with a WAR total below 2 (1.7 in 2009) and only one season where he had fewer than 625 AB’s (394 in 2010). And for what it’s worth, he’s a borderline Hall of Famer (his HOFm score is 104, although I’d say he still has work to do there).

    He should break the all-time franchise hit record and I would ask, why don’t we get behind him? Why can’t we support him as he approaches that mark? The deeper question – and this is an indictment against our fan base in the worst way – why can’t we support our own?

    If J-Roll was a Yankee, like Jorge Posada, there would be so much support for him as a Hall of Famer (just check out the dozens of articles out there which support Jorge) and yet we BLAST a player like Rollins because he doesn’t always run out meaningless ground ball outs. It’s insane… we put certain run-through-a-wall types on a pedestal and suffer through the pain of losing while they’re on the DL but can’t see the merit behind a player like J-Roll not pulling his groin running full bore to first base on a meaningless ground ball. He’s the only one of this bunch that has a chance to break that record and in my opinion, I’d rather see a member of this group own that mark than anyone else. And further, he’s probably the only one of this bunch that has a chance of making it into Cooperstown… now, I ask you, how would you feel if this team had no representation in the Hall of Fame?

    • The Original Chuck P

      December 17, 2013 at 5:24 pm

      Chase actually has as good of a chance as Rollins, if not better… while Chase’s HOFm score is lower, his other marks (WAR, WAR7, JAWS) are better. Unfortunately for Chase, the HOF voting brethren don’t typically lean on advances metrics and I really think they both have some work to do. If you look at Chase’s number in context with other 2B, he belongs but when you sort of glance at his numbers – black ink, hardware, lack of longevity – he doesn’t have a strong case. Rollins has the other stuff and that’s what makes him a candidate. It will be interesting to see which way the voters go with those two…

      • schmenkman

        December 17, 2013 at 5:58 pm

        I think that based on the current makeup and mindset of the BBWAA, you’re right, they will be more impressed by Rollins’ counting stats than Utley’s WAR. But I think some of that will change by the time they become eligible in 7-8 years or so. As sabermetrics continue making inroads into the mainstream, Utley will look better at the expense of players like Rollins.

        I wrote a piece about Rollins’ chances before the season started, and my take on it was that his chances would be less than 50-50.

      • Chuck A.

        December 17, 2013 at 7:37 pm

        I wholeheartedly agree that we as a fan base should be behind Jimmy 100%. Yeah, I don’t always like his lack of hustle either. And I get frustrated with his lack of offense at times. It’s infuriating when he pops up with RISP. BUT…when he does get that big hit it’s about as electrifying as it can possibly get. Jimmy has that crazy ability to electrify the crowd like no one else on this team can and it has a definite effect on the team and the clubhouse. As Jimmy goes so does the club.

        As for the HOF discussion, I feel that two more solid seasons and he is more than entitled to be seriously in the conversation. I do think Chase has a bit more work to do than Jimmy and I’m afraid he may fall a little short. We shall see…

      • wbramh

        December 17, 2013 at 8:01 pm

        These are the saddest of possible words:
        Rollins to Utley to Howard.
        Trio of Phillies, and fleeter than birds,
        Rollins and Utley and Howard.
        Ruthlessly pricking our gonfalon bubble,
        Making a Giant hit into a double —
        Words that are heavy with nothing but trouble:
        “Rollins to Utley to Howard.

        Just doesn’t have the same ring to it, Schmenk.
        But if it will help sway the HOF voters, I’ll come up with something.

      • photoFred

        December 17, 2013 at 10:41 pm

        wbramh—Nicely done, love it!

        Chuck A.—speaking of electrifying hits, how about that triple in the last game of 2007? Chills for me.

    • hk

      December 17, 2013 at 8:37 pm

      Well done.

    • Lefty

      December 17, 2013 at 10:15 pm

      OCP – We agree on most of your opinion, but I gotta say you lost me at “If J-Roll was a Yankee”. Sure they look back fondly on Posada now, just as we do at certain players. But plenty of their players came under the wrath of the back page of their fish wrap and fans in the seats while they were playing- just as some of our guys do now. I’m tired of the poor image of the Philadelphia sports fan, I think it’s a bad rap.

      Trust me, the “bronx cheer” didn’t originate here.

      • Chuck A.

        December 17, 2013 at 10:20 pm

        Very true indeed. Well said. Philly may be a tough town but, trust me, Boston and NYC are just as tough…if not tougher. But…you know…we booed the Pope and Santa Claus so there ya go.

      • wbramh

        December 18, 2013 at 4:38 am

        Chuck, I believe it’s time for us Philadelphians to clear the air on certain historical events.

        First the “Santa Claus” snowballing incident:
        The national news media made much hay of it, obviously in the mistaken belief it was the real Santa Claus (Edmund Gwenn) when it was in fact a drunk impostor with a pillow on top of his already immense belly. Just watching on the TeeVee, you could see the fraud immediately, as did the good Philadelphia defenders of Christmas manning the stands.

        As for the Pope, okay, the boos may have been a bit over the top but when was the last time the Pope scored over 100 RBIs?

        At least we didn’t have to overpay for a lousy team like the Yankees did last year.
        Okay, strike that, too.
        What I meant was, at least our river never caught on fire like Cleveland’s did… There!

      • Chuck A.

        December 18, 2013 at 7:12 am

        Ahh…the grand old Cuyahoga. Yeah, that river was and still is a mess. According to the little bit that I read, the river was so polluted at one point that “the reach from Akron to Cleveland was completely devoid of any fish”. Further, “those reaches that were devoid of fish now support something like 44 species, the most common being the hogsucker and the spotfin shiner”. (certainly not something that I’d want on my dinner table!).

        So yeah, I guess we have that over Cleveland… Still, would you eat anything that comes out of the Delaware?? …

    • Justin McElroy

      December 18, 2013 at 12:52 pm

      I’d love to see Rollins break all the franchise records that are within his reach, but I value the future of the franchise more. It sounds like people are saying Rollins (or Utley, Howard, and Ruiz) should finish their careers here based on past accomplishments and that warm fuzzy feeling from 2008. Is that at the expense of the team’s future??

      You’re telling me that if Hanley Ramirez broke an ankle in June and the Dodgers were desperate enough to offer someone like Joc Pederson or Alexander Guerrero for Rollins that you’d turn it down just to see Rollins break a team record? That seems absurd to me.

      That’s all most people are saying. Paying loyalty to fading stars has Amaro stuck in a trap, and it’s not making the organization as a whole better positioned for future seasons.

      • schmenkman

        December 18, 2013 at 3:36 pm

        Justin – “It sounds like people are saying Rollins (or Utley, Howard, and Ruiz) should finish their careers here based on past accomplishments and that warm fuzzy feeling from 2008.”

        Can you point to who specifically said something like this? I don’t recall seeing it.

        Also, “Paying loyalty to fading stars has Amaro stuck in a trap, and it’s not making the organization as a whole better positioned for future seasons.”

        I don’t consider either the Howard, Rollins, or Utley contracts to be “loyalty”.

      • schmenkman

        December 18, 2013 at 3:44 pm

        …or Ruiz, for that matter.

  16. wbramh

    December 18, 2013 at 6:03 am

    I’d love to Jimmy…and Chase and Ryan and Chuckand Big Ed and Whitey and Robbie and Johnny and Steve and Schmtty and…
    Well you get my point.

    But speaking of points, at some point we have to be realists and appreciate the fact that the potential for future stars to sing praises to and write poems about hinges on young talent and not on 10 or 15 35-year old ex-stars from other teams who may or may not have anything left in the tank.
    If the Phillies made a couple of these acquisitions (which they did) to shore up some weak areas, fine but they’ve done it while not only holding on too long to their own aging stars but also in the absence of recruiting (and holding on to) young talent.

    In short, the team has been stripped of its future glory – stripped of the names other cities’ fan will now speak in honored hushed tones.

    Unfortunately, few teams in baseball are looking for a shortstop this year and most of those who were have already made their commitments. You can be sure that Rollin’s signing extension is a part of what kept them from calling or knocking on Ruben’s door at the Dolphin. In the meantime the wear and tear of time will make Jimmy that much less attractive to a team in the hunt – a team who might trade away a young Wacha or Sanddberg for the opportunity to have a 30-something J-Roll round with some defensive skills intact round out their pennant-contending team. Certainly, the same holds true for Utley and Howard albeit complicated by serious injuries at the very time their trade value would have been at the highest point. To be fair to the Phillies management, if they were thinking about moving their stars, and that’s unknown, it would have been difficult at best.

    Still, I can’t help but imagine where the team would be situated for 2015 or 2016 if they had received a handful of promising young kids in return for each of three or four aging stars and a few still functional journeymen with a year or two left on their treads. With smart scouting they’d probably have the foundation for a new dynasty and fans would someday be singing praises to those names in Philadelphia instead of St. Louis, or Boston… or Houston – names like Whitey, Schmitty, J-Roll. Chase and ‘The Big Piece.”

    • wbramh

      December 18, 2013 at 6:06 am

      That first sentence should have read, “I’d love to KEEP Jimmy” etc

  17. wbramh

    December 18, 2013 at 6:18 am

    Also, the sentence “You can be sure that Rollin’s signing extension is a part of what kept them from calling” should have read ” You can be sure that Rollins not be on the block at the time, like the Utley signing extension, is part of what kept them for calling.”

    Obviously, Jimmy was still under his previous contract.

    Sorry – bizarre keyboard issues. Time for another replacement.

    • wbramh

      December 18, 2013 at 8:32 am

      Never mind. Even my correction got messed up.
      Hopefully, you got the idea.
      Time to visit the “genius bar” at my local Apple Store.

  18. The Original Chuck P

    December 18, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    wbramh… that was as awesome poem and I thank you for sharing.

    As for my comment about Rollins not being appreciated or supported enough here (or not as much as he would be in NY)… that wasn’t supposed to lead into snowballs at Santa Claus… the national media misportrays our fan base as barbaric and that could not be farther from the truth. We’re knowledgeable, passionate and very demanding. That combination lends itself to some ugly things… in proper context, our actions as a fan base are rarely out of line. But the one thing that you can’t deny is that we don’t appreciate what we’ve got til it’s gone… and even then, it often takes us a lot of time to admit that we had something great. There are so many examples of this being true and it’s why superstars rarely make it here. We simply don’t give our guys any slack and that’s a difficult thing to deal with, especially in baseball where a position player will fail in more than half of his at bats. Just think about all of the stars and coaches that we’ve alienated… I don’t need to list them. Ask yourself, besides Whitey, who has retired from here under great terms? A lot of fans have yet to warm up to Cole Hamels. Why? Because he’s perceived as “not tough enough.” If he blows a lead or goes through a dead arm period, he gets crushed… why? Because he’s not one of “us.” We overvalue grit and undervalue talent… make no mistake, talent is more important. We have a short-term memory when it comes to performance and a long-term memory when it comes to missed assignments and lack of hustle plays… we don’t let guys off the hook for lack of hustle (see Jackson, DeSean) but wouldn’t you rather have the guy who is consistently really good and screws up once in a while (than the guy who looks great for a short period and is sort of mediocre the rest – always giving it his all, which unfortunately isn’t good enough)? Case and point Mickey Morandini… no one will have a bad thing to say about Mickey Morandini in this town because he “tried his best” and there will be guys that will probably go from here to baseball reference to try to validate why Morandini was as good as Rollins but let me save you a trip… Rollins is five times the player that Morandini was. Talk about short-term memory… that whole team had one good season and yet you’d think they won back to back World Series. Again, I’m not saying we shouldn’t love that team but I’m just sort of perplexed as to why we don’t scream from the mountain tops about how good our guys are when our players need us to do that.

    • wbramh

      December 18, 2013 at 7:48 pm

      Chuck, thanks for the compliment on the poem but it was no more than a dirty steal on my part from Franklin Pierce Adams’ “Baseball’s Sad Lexicon,” the great tribute, Tinker, Evers and Chance. As Schmenk pointed out in his article on Rollins, he hasn’t benefitted by being immortalized in poetry or song like some other shortstops.

      As for Philadelphia fans, I couldn’t agree more. We eat most of our stars alive in every sport.

      And as for the national media and their perpetual “Santa got snow-balled in Philly” references, it’s lamer than “Philadelphia – oh yeah, they have cheesesteaks.” (which the idiots also focus on) but at least it’s an ongoing tradition. Santa doesn’t get pelted here every season. But maybe we should make it a tradition just to give them something to write about. Better yet, pelt their broadcast booth!

      • Jay

        December 20, 2013 at 7:30 pm

        Hey I’m proud to be a phan…IMO the snowballs at Santa and all the other rumors (and/or facts) I actually wear it like a badge- hey that’s part of loving Teams from Philly – so much heartbreak- even more bitching-but damned if we aren’t the loyalist of fans

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